Why are Ashe and Garen still able to be on the free rotation?

Tèrminus··143 votes·5,052 views

This goes for most 450 champions, but especially Ashe and Garen, who are now literally free for new accounts and are otherwise probably owned by most everybody.

To a lesser extent, Tristana and Alistar too, since they're free from social media.

Brand is now free for new accounts too, but I imagine plenty of people who were already past level 4 at the time won't have him, so he gets a pass.

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Valderis Vandala25 votes

Very good point, champions that are given to players just for leveling should eventually be removed from the free rotation.

SpecterVonBaren12 votes

They should probably just outright have Garen, Ashe, Annie, Soraka, and Warwick be free so that everyone will have at least one consistent champion for every position from the start.

SpiritOfOdysseus1 votes

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They should probably just outright have Garen, Ashe, Annie, Soraka, and Warwick be free so that everyone will have at least one consistent champion for every position from the start.

This

Yets42401 votes

I do think warwick stands out in that group as being much more mechanically intensive than the others, and also don't think new players would do well with blood scent. . . seen way too many newbs go way too far in due to blood scent baiting them.

Perhaps Nunu, for jungling? He's also a 450 champ.

SpecterVonBaren4 votes

The reason I went with WW and not Nunu is that Nunu's micro game may be simple but his macro game can be quite interesting when played by dedicated players. I think WW just fits better with what a lot of new players would want to do with a jungler, which is gank lanes and fight people, as apposed to Nunu who is more focused on getting early objectives and being an enabler of his allies.

I suppose Amumu would be a better choice though, since he's not mechanically difficult but also is more of a ganker than Nunu.

Aeszarck1 votes

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They should probably just outright have Garen, Ashe, Annie, Soraka, and Warwick be free so that everyone will have at least one consistent champion for every position from the start.

They gave out a free Starter Pack in January 2016 if you linked your account to Amazon. This got whoever took advantage of the offer all the Champions you mentioned minus Soraka.

ZephyrDrake5 votes

because they are simple and easy to play which is the main draw of free champions. Provide mostly simple and easy champions to play (with a few more complex ones). Price has nothing to do with anything and whether people own them also has nothing to do with anything

Tèrminus20 votes

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because they are simple and easy to play which is the main draw of free champions. Provide mostly simple and easy champions to play (with a few more complex ones). Price has nothing to do with anything and whether people own them also has nothing to do with anything

Ashe has been free for new accounts since they added the hextech loot system, when they changed the early leveling reward to a chest that unlocks Ashe and a skin IIRC.

As of this preseason, you literally just receive Ashe for free upon hitting level 2.

At this point, it's borderline impossible to NOT have Ashe unless you're an older account that just didn't buy her at any point for some reason.

ZephyrDrake4 votes

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Ashe has been free for new accounts since they added the hextech loot system, when they changed the early leveling reward to a chest that unlocks Ashe and a skin IIRC.

As of this preseason, you literally just receive Ashe for free upon hitting level 2.

At this point, it's borderline impossible to NOT have Ashe unless you're an older account that just didn't buy her at any point for some reason.

way to fucking read!

whether people have ashe or not it means absolutely NOTHING! sorry TRY AGAIN!

Elphrihaim24 votes

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way to fucking read!

a) No need to be mad!

whether people have ashe or not it means absolutely NOTHING! sorry TRY AGAIN!

b) Actually it does. Part of the point of the free rotation is to let you try new things out. If one of those slots is being wasted on something that everybody already has... it's being wasted.

Edit: Realistically, the observation might be better said as "everybody has this champion so there is no need to put it on the free rotation, because it is already owned by everybody and thus they already all have access to an easy to play champion and should instead be given access to more variety so that players at low levels aren't perpetually playing against a team that has Ashe-Brand-Garen on both sides in 100% of games"

ZephyrDrake3 votes

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a) No need to be mad!

b) Actually it does. Part of the point of the free rotation is to let you try new things out. If one of those slots is being wasted on something that everybody already has... it's being wasted.

Edit: Realistically, the observation might be better said as "everybody has this champion so there is no need to put it on the free rotation, because it is already owned by everybody and thus they already all have access to an easy to play champion and should instead be given access to more variety so that players at low levels aren't perpetually playing against a team that has Ashe-Brand-Garen on both sides in 100% of games"

using this logic we should only have champions who were released this year on free rotation and nothing more! because everyone could have every single other champion already! Sorry but whether you have the champion or not has zero impact, whether people have the champion or not has zero impact!

hell if it's still sold you could just go to some gaming store or someplace where they sell game related things and get a beginners pack... card thing that gives you about 10~15? old champions. People should have certain champions. They don't. Players at low levels should not care about "ohh variety of champions!" they do not give a damn about it. They are too preoccupied with learning how to play the game. Unless they are geniuses that learnt everything about the game in no time at all

Elphrihaim10 votes

So I have things to do so i'm leaving after this and will be many hours before i can get back to you again but still

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using this logic we should only have champions who were released this year on free rotation and nothing more! because everyone could have every single other champion already! Sorry but whether you have the champion or not has zero impact, whether people have the champion or not has zero impact!

Except given that literally everyone has it.

Like, the entire rest of everything you've said is just useless because you literally aren't reading the basic tenant.

EVERYBODY, literally, not "literally everybody" or something like that-- who plays the game will have them. They are given to you for free when you level up the account after like two games, which are forced to be against the AI anyway.

Velzard of Koz14 votes

So I have things to do so i'm leaving after this and will be many hours before i can get back to you again but still

Even If you weren't leaving there's no point to respond to him since he didn't understand the same thing being said five times. Then says "way to fucking read".

Cavesloth6 votes

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Even If you weren't leaving there's no point to respond to him since he didn't understand the same thing being said five times. Then says "way to fucking read".

Hes right don't waste your time on this guy. This forum is full of people like this who will argue the most stupid asinine bullshit just because they like arguing. You have a good idea, take your upvote.

DarkRooster2 votes

Do you understand concept of literary everyone has those champions ? So why would champion that literary everyone has be on free rotation to play for people who have not bought them ?

Either have less free champion on rotation or just remove them all together from there, but there is no fucking logic for them to be there at all.

Z3Sleeper1 votes

This reply has zero impact!

HongChongDong2 votes

Are you...... Ok? Like this is simple logic here. EVERYONE has these champions, there's no minority that doesn't, it's built into the game so you can't not have these champions. Yet, they're still on free rotation. Like this is better for all players period that they get removed from the rotation.

You have a serious deficiency in the ability to understand simple logic and you are overly damn triggered on a non triggering post. I ask again, Are you ok?

Boiled Triangles8 votes

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way to fucking read!

whether people have ashe or not it means absolutely NOTHING! sorry TRY AGAIN!

Dude are you okay? You clearly do not understand the point of this thread, yet you're harassing the OP for seemingly no reason.

Aeszarck1 votes

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Ashe has been free for new accounts since they added the hextech loot system, when they changed the early leveling reward to a chest that unlocks Ashe and a skin IIRC.

As of this preseason, you literally just receive Ashe for free upon hitting level 2.

At this point, it's borderline impossible to NOT have Ashe unless you're an older account that just didn't buy her at any point for some reason.

Yeah, I never even bought Ashe but I got her as part of the free Starter Pack that came with linking your account to Amazon.

d0riyah2 votes

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because they are simple and easy to play which is the main draw of free champions. Provide mostly simple and easy champions to play (with a few more complex ones). Price has nothing to do with anything and whether people own them also has nothing to do with anything

No they're not, nor should they. The reason (in my eyes) is to open up free champion picks for players who don't yet have all the champions to let them choose their favorite type. There are different champion types on free rotation each time to let the player decide their favorite role. I can't explain it well but basically: there should be some AP champions, some AD champions, and each of them go a different lane, so new players can ultimately find out the most optimal champion for them.

Z3Sleeper1 votes

The purpose of the free rotation is to rotate all the champs for one week of free play for those who don't own them. It has nothing to do with offering low-skill champs for new players. The purpose is to showcase champions that people don't have so they can see if they want to buy them.

Note: Who don't own them. Everyone owns Ashe and Garen.

ModUlanopo3 votes

whether people own them also has nothing to do with anything

The ubiquitousness of these champions means they are already on permanent FTP rotation. As Alanis Morisette says, "It's like a free ride, when you've already paid..."

PearPearadox1 votes

How do you get Tristana for free?

Tèrminus4 votes

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How do you get Tristana for free?

Following Riot/League on Facebook, Youtube, and Twitter gets you skins for Tristana, Alistar, and Garen (and you get the champs too if you don't have them). I forget which ones are from where exactly.

It's easier to just send a support ticket asking for them to be added to your account, though. I'm not sure why Riot doesn't just make a permanent-use redemption code for them, would be a lot easier.

Terozu1 votes

Garen is twitter, Alistar is youtube, but it doesnt work you have to send a support ticket with an image of you subscribed to them, and Tristana is facebook.

It Hertz When IP2 votes

Dreadknight Garen, Riot Girl Tristana, Unchained Alistar are the skins.

Terozu2 votes

Tristana is facebook, the skin is Riot Girl Tristana. Actually a pretty decent skin too lol.

EpikFeeder1 votes

Garen is also free from social media. If you didnt know, go grab that free garen skin :p

TheySeeMeWardin1 votes

Lol I’ve been playing for three years and I don’t own brand

kurthl33t1 votes

I'm gonna be honest. I've been playing League since 2014, and I didn't actually buy Garen until just a couple months ago.

Aeszarck1 votes

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I'm gonna be honest. I've been playing League since 2014, and I didn't actually buy Garen until just a couple months ago.

But you could have just gotten him for free by connecting your account to Twitter! I made a Twitter account expressly for this purpose.

kurthl33t1 votes

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But you could have just gotten him for free by connecting your account to Twitter! I made a Twitter account expressly for this purpose.

But I didn't want to play Garen. Still don't, really. I only got him in case I needed to trade him.

ChanRa1 votes

I have been playing since season 2 and I still dont have Garen

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