PSA: First pick or ban Sona

Eedat·Jul 16, 2016·15 votes·1,125 views

Just figured I would let everyone know that she has the highest priority for a ban currently. If your team can't first pick her, ban her.

17 Comments

OHminusJul 17, 20164 votes

Meh. While she has a really high win rate and a decent pick rate, I would argue that Hecarim has a higher priority for a ban considering he can be played both top/jg and is an absolute monster at both. Sona's laning phase is decent but her real strength shows through once she gets rank 2 ult. Ashe is also really strong atm.

She definitely is ban worthy, but I wanted to refute your claim that Sona has the highest priority for a ban. A good hec > good sona. I would say Sona is around ashe-level ban wise - top at her position, worthy of a pick-ban.

The problems with Sona right now are

her ability to spam her abilities late game and provide endless auras for the team
her healing strength mid-late game with windspeakers/ardent/increased base heal
her compatibility with ardent censer (she's an AOE support that can spread the buff to multiple teammates)

I see Riot's slightly tuning down the Censer + Crucible buildpath for her, nami, janna, and soraka, and nerfing the base heals and ms on Sona. I feel like this isn't really enough (her ult cd passive should be reduced to 10/20/30 percent as well to decrease the amount of spamming she can do mid game).

Btw, I am a Sona main, so feel free to use that in your counterargument :)

MartyrofsandJul 17, 20161 votes

Which is pretty much the exact changes they are making on the PBE, well some of them at least. Her mid to late game healing value is going down and so is her E movement speed.

The Censer Crucible path is pretty absurd for healing/shielding supports right now and I would be the first to admit Sona is the best at abusing it with maybe Karma being 2nd with her mantra E.

OHminusJul 18, 20162 votes

Censer also has to be nerfed imo. The item is too good on Sona/Karma/Nami and also really good on Soraka/Janna. It's ok on Lulu, but that's besides the point.

Censer got a buff to its AP and got another passive (+15% strength to heals and shields). Honestly I think some of the stats should be toned down, such as reducing the AP (going from 30 AP with the build path to 60 ap with censer)

MartyrofsandJul 18, 20161 votes

I think they may also need to look into the mana regen provided to supports as well in their build paths. The amount of mana given via Crucible+Censer alone is pretty insane but add some of the other support items like FGC and it's starts to get rather insane just how much you can spam.

Personally I don't think Sona's late game spamming would matter so much if she didn't have access to so much mana regen, when I hit full build I was literally sitting at around 15 mana regen per second which is rather insane when you think about it.

EedatJul 18, 20163 votes

Is a Sona player. DJ Sona icon. You're totally not biased at all

Sona is a much higher priority ban than Hec currently. Just another Sona player trying to get their way

OHminusJul 18, 20161 votes

Please read the other part of my statement. I said that Sona is probably in a pick/ban status, similar to Ashe. I only stated that I thought Hec had more impact in game than Sona. I also said that you're free to use the fact that I'm a Sona main in your counterargument; however, that's the only thing you used. Way to post a deep, meaningful response.

Also, I've seen you around the boards. You've been slamming Sona mains here and there. While you may speak the truth, you may want to tone it down with the salt. You sound saltier than the Dead Sea.

OHminusJul 18, 20162 votes

I see you downvoted me once again. Once again, we are splitting hairs. Your anger towards Sona and people who player cannot be more obvious.

Let all the hate flow in.

EedatJul 18, 20161 votes

actually I didn't, but now I'm going to. You can watch yourself lol

OHminusJul 22, 20162 votes

More like you can watch yourself. I made perfectly good arguments to your "Sona mains don't get to have a say". You sound like someone else that has a 5 letter name - Putin.

At least Putin has a sense of humor when he's joking around with the KGB.

EedatJul 23, 20161 votes

it appears you have 4 downvotes, yet you assume I somehow it was all me. Lol.

OHminusJul 18, 20162 votes

I love all the downvotes I'm getting from people. I made a rational argument that generally agreed with the fact that Sona is extremely strong right now, and my only caveat was that I thought Hecarim had more impact in game than Sona did. My point was that Sona is currently the 2nd strongest champ in the game, with clear strengths and few weaknesses. I listed out the parts of her that felt suffocating and suggested where Riot should nerf her. This, coming from a Sona main.

And all the OP does is say "Sona main, your opinion doesn't count". Guess I really overestimated the average IQ of the OPs on the boards.

zlumpyJul 18, 20163 votes

Or just counter pick her.

EedatJul 18, 20163 votes

LF a counter pick

http://i.imgur.com/x04DYkM.jpg

zlumpyJul 18, 20163 votes

I don't counter pick based on a stupid chart. I counter pick based on what I knkw I can beat her with. And as it turns it that is a number of champions. Stop trying to play against someone with a champ you have no comfort playing. Just because someone heard that Quinn destroys Nasus doesn't automatically mean they win lane. Same goes for Sona in bot lane.

QuephaJul 18, 20161 votes

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I don't counter pick based on a stupid chart. I counter pick based on what I knkw I can beat her with. And as it turns it that is a number of champions. Stop trying to play against someone with a champ you have no comfort playing. Just because someone heard that Quinn destroys Nasus doesn't automatically mean they win lane. Same goes for Sona in bot lane.

85% of Thresh players have at least 15 games played on him. Over 50% have over 50 games on him. 72% of Leona players have at least 15 games played on her. 70% of Braum players have at least 15 games played on him.

Sona is broken right now. Period.

LadyRenlyJul 18, 20162 votes

honestly, despite how strong Sona can be, I would not prioritize her for pick/ban. Go ahead and downvote me, but she is insanely easy to deal with if you treat her like a Soraka.

Her lane phase is probably when she is at her best. Sure, after she gets all this base ability CDR and will have constant heals, shields and movespeed online, but if she is building items like mikaels/ardent/athenes you can easily nuke her with burst damage, or a well placed cc will insta kill her too. Anyone such as leona, thresh, naut can ruin her day with not much effort.

Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to downplay Sona's strength, she has a lot of impact, all I am saying is is that despite her strength, she is easily beatable. She is not post rework Malzahar,Mordekaiser, Fiora or Swain level of powerful. So prioritizing her is silly. Not to mention, she is easily counterpicked, so a first pick Sona probably won't have a good time, unlike an actually OP champion that has a busted kit that shreds the competition. Sona is just numbers strong, her kit itself isn't degenerate.