I dont even play him but are i think its absolutely disgusting how he fell a whole 5 points in winrate since last patch. Are you guys even working on it? He needs his 10 minute shrooms back please answer im concerned.
Only Play Darius14 votesNo. What he needs is a full rework.
Either change his kit so that he isn't absolutely toxic in top lane, or turn him into a jungler so we don't have to deal with nonstop poison and targeted blinds for the first half of the game.
Danyul Targaryen3 votes[{quoted}](name=Jelly Mac,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=k3bjZN4U,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-08-15T01:54:19.601+0000)
No. What he needs is a full rework.
Either change his kit so that he isn't absolutely toxic in top lane, or turn him into a jungler so we don't have to deal with nonstop poison and targeted blinds for the first half of the game.
he was annoying but balanced before. They gutted a healthy champion and it concerns me that they might just leave him to rot
SaltyKracka2 votesThey're already reverting the slow decay.
Also, teeto doesn't deserve a decent winrate.
Danyul Targaryen1 votesThey're already reverting the slow decay.
Also, teeto doesn't deserve a decent winrate.
thats not enough to make his winrate go back up
SaltyKracka3 votesAw, lookit dat.
It thinks it knows things.
Danyul Targaryen5 votesAw, lookit dat.
It thinks it knows things.
You think the slow decay is the sole reason his winrate went down 5%? You can say that with a straight face
SaltyKracka1 votes[le shrug]
That is a thing I never said. I believe it's the main reason for the drop in his winrate, but you're the idiot who said
That's not enough to make his winrate go back up
Danyul Targaryen1 votesle shrug
That is a thing I never said. I believe it's the main reason for the drop in his winrate, but you're the idiot who said
If you think halving the uptime of shrooms hurt him less than the slow decay ur a half wit
Mathbalnase2 votesHe was balanced and toxic. And then they nerfed him to reduce the impact of his toxic effects on the game. And then they nerfed him again. And then they nerfed him again. And then they made these most recent changes (ie. more nerfs).
Zeta1 votesJust off the top of my head, here are possible thematic/balance levers they could add to Teemo:
Blinding Dart:
Move Quick:
Toxic Shot:
Noxious Trap:
Mathbalnase1 votesNoxious Trap:
- Consider adding a weaker version of the minesweeper items on SR so that it has more counter-play in item-builds.
We already have that. They're called 'Trinkets'. Their basic versions are FREE. Their upgraded versions are absurdly cheap.
Valor Bot1 votesI like the sound of a Teemo jungler. It fits thematically, and would probably give top laners less of a headache.
3TWarrior1 votesteemo that's invisible in brush even while moving, teemo that can throw shrooms 900 range
I think top lane would be his favorite spot XD
especially since he can permaslow by throwing his shrooms ahead of them
Rand0mH3r0X1 votesSo a champion can't be a cancer to hypercarries like Fiora, Tryndamere, and Yi? Teemo is suppose to be annoying and little. He can't out-damage anybody if he didn't have his blind. His blind also takes forever to travel and apply. Ekko trashes Teemo Top and Midlane because his passive still procs even with the blind. Just use another champion other than the most common form out there.
The game can't just be reworked so you always win, you baby!
Furthermore, I already Jg Teemo. He's really strong and counterjungles very effectively. Putting Teemo in the Jg just makes him a cancer for junglers.
RiotRiotRepertoir6 votesI do believe he's being looked at.
I am willing to discuss Teemo; what specifically would you like to discuss?
Thunderkeg2 votesImo he needs his 10 minutes shrooms back. I play Teemo as a heavy shroomer. I actually try to not spend as much time in top because I'm busy warding their jungle with death and taking their blues. Now the shroom timers aren't even longer than the buff timers it ruins this aspect of play. I could care less about anything else I need the time back!
Mathbalnase3 votesWhat would be necessary before Riot would be willing to put Teemo in line for a 'Full-Scale Rework'?
DrMarshSwamp5 votesI do believe he's being looked at.
I am willing to discuss Teemo; what specifically would you like to discuss?
Is there a possibility in the future to give him at least a "minor scale" rework?
I know someone from Riot said they were really iffy about giving him a rework due to his fanbase, but at this point I think he really needs it, or at least needs some changes to his kit that allows for more "open" balancing that doesn't leave him too strong or too weak.
I think one of the biggest issues with his kit is his E, which lets him continually deal fairly large (at least in my eyes) damage due to being - no cost, always active, and applying both magic damage on-hit and damage over time from basic attacks.
Mathbalnase1 votesHis best case scenario of damage from AAs barely approximates the damage of conventional ADCs, various of which have superior burst/utility/mobility/safety/etc.
3TWarrior1 votesactually, there have been a few hybrid builds around that not only do consistent amounts of damage, but leave him with ridiculous amounts of life steal
most ADCs after all don't use their abilities by late game, so free passive damage is good towards that effect
just like jinx and draven and caitlynn and vayne and kalista....etc
Mathbalnase1 votesJinx has a massive AS steroid (or +10% damage and massive range, at her option). Draven has his Q, which he damned well uses even late-game as well as an on-demand AS bonus. Caitlynn has her innate and the best base range in the game. Vayne has her %maxHP True Damage and her Q, which she also damned well uses late-game. Kalista...is Kalista.
The point of my post was that Teemo's damage, even accounting for his E, rarely exceeds that expected of a ranged-AA-reliant dps machine (or, commonly 'ADC'), and usually falls short of common benchmarks for that role.
Teemo is outclassed as a damage dealer by ALL of those champions. Oh, and pretty much all of them also happen to benefit more from those 'ridiculous amounts of life steal' you think Teemo builds.
Danyul Targaryen4 votesI do believe he's being looked at.
I am willing to discuss Teemo; what specifically would you like to discuss?
Why you think his winrate dropped 5 percent. And what specifically they are going to do to help him
ModAcademy Kayn2 votesIs his playerbase really the reason why a rework on him is impossiblwe?
Ultîma3 votesHonestly, losing 50% duration on a skill is massive by any standard. Look at what happened to Fiddle and Rammus after they lost 33% of the duration on their fear and stun... and Teemo's nerf was more severe.
Zeta3 votesHis Q has no counterplay, his Move Quick is kind of outdone by mobility creep in general, Toxic Shots is nice but is essentially a very powerful passive rather than a active (point-based level-up) skill, and his ultimate has lost a lot of coverage in exchange for questionable utility - but since minesweeper items aren't on SR, it also has very little counterplay. Except now it feels bad both for people to fight against AND for Teemo to use it. He's not in a good spot, design-wise. He needs an Ashe-level rework.
It seems like he's balanced around being a meme/mascot (globaltauntlololol) rather than good kit design.
Mathbalnase1 votesPersonally, I'd be shooting for something in the Heimerdinger range for the scope of his rework, but othwerwise agree with (almost) all of your points (a 250g sweeper upgrade has capabilities far exceeding its cost, let alone the free precursor item; they may not effectively read 'Teemo gets no ult', but they're still sweepers).
Insane Pyromanic1 votesHe should get move quicks active bonus every time someone steps on a mushroom. Or at least a short speed buff.
Mathbalnase1 votesOne week later, is any follow-up going to be forthcoming?
jjookkeerr1 votesi think that would be sweet if you make his E stack, change numbers or mechanics on his to balance but staking poison need to happen
Mathbalnase2 votes10 days later, still no follow-through. Is that in your repertoire, RiotRepertoir?
Meep Man5 votesTeemo needs a more healthy kit before being completely viable again IMO.
Mathbalnase2 votesHe needs to be on the 'Full-Scale Rework' schedule.
The Yetii Rider1 votesYou guys, the reason Teemo's playrate fell (besides the drastic change in how he was supposed to be played by mains) is the influx of new players trying him out. This happens every time a champion gets a new mechanic, and it's not like Teemo is an expensive, new, or hated champ. People like playing AS Teemo, even if they hate playing against him. The idea that he could make his shrooms bounce, which adds cuteness to a champion where cuteness is his defining characteristic, will draw anyone to play him.
Karn Bishop1 votesTeemo def needs a rework, why do his shrooms provide passive vision like a ward that does damage?? shrooms should provide ZERO vision unless you step on it and it explodes. the reason most teemos with good teams win is because shrooms are 5-10 minute wards that can provide total vision to an area which is stupid.
Mathbalnase1 votesStill waiting on follow-up, as indicated would be forthcoming.
Mathbalnase1 votesTwo weeks later, still no follow-up.
Mathbalnase1 votesRiotRepertoir promised a discussion of issues regarding Teemo 2 weeks ago.
He was most recently active 2 hours ago.
Still no follow-up.
Mathbalnase1 votesThree and a half weeks later, no follow-up.