@Riot there's a mage rework coming right?

Danyul Targaryen·Oct 29, 2015·28 votes·4,641 views

With the juggernauts and marksmen update mages for me are feeling more bland and outdates especially some few forgotten ones.

53 Comments

Very Hard EngageOct 29, 201512 votes

"but they just got all of their items revamped, and deal more damage than before" - kappa.

xFrostKnightxOct 30, 20152 votes

item 3157 : I feel so buffed Riot/10

"Let's give more Magic resist to every role and give ADC a better MR build path and nerf AP across the board and increase it's cost." - Riot

shalexadeOct 30, 201510 votes

Mages got and get reworked silly.

First, they nerf mana regen, next they remove mana pots.

#Reworked.

Danyul TargaryenOct 30, 20151 votes

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Mages got and get reworked silly.

First, they nerf mana regen, next they remove mana pots.

#Reworked.

This really almost made me cry lol

7ha7guy777Oct 31, 20153 votes

That'll cost you 750 gold

Shrapnel ShrapOct 30, 20157 votes

Hourglass is getting fucking shreded, there's going to be more armor pen readily available, ad mids are gonna be dominant, AP items are more expensive... I cry.

kneel on IceOct 29, 20155 votes

I think mages are the best thing about this game , most of them are in good position , but some need rework Cassiopeia

Big LincolnOct 29, 20155 votes

I feel like a couple of them would benefit from having their strengths exemplified. Karthus Syndra Fiddlesticks immediately come to mind.

but tanks drastically need help more IMO, there's not much for variety and their itemization suffers because of bruiser abuse most of the time

YumaS2AstralOct 30, 20152 votes

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I feel like a couple of them would benefit from having their strengths exemplified. immediately come to mind.

but tanks drastically need help more IMO, there's not much for variety and their itemization suffers because of bruiser abuse most of the time

Technically bruisers abuse every role's items.

That's why tanks and AD assassins aren't allowed to have good itemization, because whenever they have, bruisers abuse their items.

Big LincolnOct 30, 20152 votes

bruisers have a lot of items for themselves right now

you could solve them abusing tank items by putting threshold requirements or stats that require a much more tank-invested build to see good returns off of, or putting some sort of self-damage punishment on an item that offers very good tank stats to discourage bruiser usage (though that might be hard to deal with)

i feel like this isn't an issue with other games but i don't play them, so i can't really say if they do or don't. more items feels like a good idea though, defensive buys are becoming rather slim at the moment

Great OzymandiusOct 30, 20152 votes

This is a good idea. The warmogs is an example of this, although many bruisers will get to 3k health anway and it is more about sustain, but the same principle could apply. The new thornmail is also an example of this in that it needs lots of armor to be effective, though I think it is a bit underpowered right now. Another new example of this is the new mastery that transfers damage taken by an ally to the holder of the mastery, which will greatly reward a peeling tank for building super tanky.

Some possibilities would be an armor item that give a gold inefficient amount of armor but also increases bonus armor by a factor, which would make it gold efficient with three armor items. Another possibility would be an item with an aura that slows projectiles by a fraction of bonus resists (maybe only when activated).

ZT XperimentorOct 31, 20151 votes

Spot on; kind of sad to see but true.

Blades of NavoriOct 30, 20152 votes

Yay Syndra my waifu <3

Her Q needs more damage at first level. Her AUTO ATTACKS deal more damage.

Big LincolnOct 30, 20152 votes

I feel like she could stand to feel stronger with more orbs out

or at least since her early game is so bad make her a good pick for late game?

ZT XperimentorOct 31, 20151 votes

I agree, her early game is so pitifully weak she gets curb-stomped so hard she's next to useless.

IxtaliKingOct 29, 20154 votes

I agree, mages should be looked at next. Cassiopeia, Karma and Zyra ought to be on the list of mages looked at too.

NEOtheONEOct 30, 20151 votes

Karma already had a rework. She doesn't really need a rework again, maybe some slight buffs to shield and her leash to make her more support viable.

IxtaliKingOct 30, 20152 votes

Her soft rework took a lot away from her (shield bomb item 3070 ), she needs a bit more of an identity now, it's not satisfactory for her to be somewhere between Lux and Lulu when both picks out class her. Would be good if they made her more of a utility mage than a support, imo.

Voluug13Oct 30, 20153 votes

The thing is, her entire kit concept is extremely flawed. Currently all her numbers are frontloaded into RQ... and that is it. She needs structural changes because she hasa lot of random things like a 1.5s haste that barely helps and keeps her base shield from being buffed. Not to mention she becomes a worse midlaner with every patch she is touched upon, without realistically increasing her support potential.

Riot needs to bring back viable shieldbombing and reduce RQ's lvl 1-3 cheese that consumes so much of her power budget currently. She is outclassed as a support by Lulu and Lux on everything but level 2 cheese.

Also her first rework was a failure: Karma lost enourmous amounts of power, her identity (flexible anti-assassin pick) and her entire purpose as a character (offensive defensive champion with mediocre early and great mid/late... into a lane bully that falls off at level 7 unless massively fed. She had to be massively buffed for 4 patches to reach a mediocre status).

xFrostKnightxOct 30, 20152 votes

What about m-.... I...... Kassadin is ka-Sad

IxtaliKingOct 30, 20152 votes

True, Kassadin should definitely be a priority rework. I rare see him and when I do he rarely does well.

RedCycloneOct 29, 20153 votes

Supports need diversity right now more then mid

iainB85Oct 30, 20157 votes

Could not disagree more.

TahmKench Bard Braum

All champions released fairly recently and have hugely unique play styles. Support has been getting a ton of love recently.

DanofDemaciaOct 30, 20152 votes

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Could not disagree more.

All champions released fairly recently and have hugely unique play styles. Support has been getting a ton of love recently.

yeah but theyre all tanks

HayRossOct 30, 20156 votes

I don't think Bard is a tank...

kJsOct 30, 20151 votes

More like an off-tank but yeah.

YrzenOct 30, 20151 votes

It's more about mage vs. tank supports and how the latter seems to be omnipresent in comparison to the former.

Meep ManOct 30, 20151 votes

Tankier than a Fighter, but definitely not a Tank.

Krys StarOct 29, 20152 votes

The AP item changes came out first, then the juggernaut, then the marksmen. If anything, the tanks and supports need their items re-evaluated and looked at again.

Hatless CasualOct 29, 20152 votes

non-tank supports need something as well. I guess that could be considered part of the mage buffs since almost all of them are mages.

NEOtheONEOct 30, 20151 votes

Anivia needs some love. Everyone and his/her brother just jumps right through her wall. She has no fun interactions with any of the other ice based champions. She's still one of the most mana hungry champs in the game.

Leu07Oct 30, 20151 votes

I think Anivia stands quite strong right now, she really is not that mana hungry, trust me, you don't want a rework and get a Cassiopeia 2.0, that's when she'll be mana hungry.

Voluug13Oct 30, 20151 votes

she really is not that mana hungry, trust me,

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TheNeemDreamOct 30, 20151 votes

What about assassins? item 3070 Akali Evelynn Kassadin Khazix Talon

RalanrOct 30, 20152 votes

Can Pantheon join?

Blades of NavoriOct 30, 20151 votes

I think riot hates mages.

"Hurr duurr high ap prices low stats hurur"

On a serious note allegedly, Syndra is getting a passive rework and that could mean mages in general could get reworked.

SnowFallOct 30, 20151 votes

Whatever you do, don't change , he is perfectly fine.

morris1Oct 30, 20151 votes

I feel as if the new item 3046 is slightly overkill for assassins and burst mages, but I'll roll with it.

Solidair3Oct 30, 20151 votes

I believe assassins are next.

To that end I am hoping for LeBlanc changes

RalanrOct 30, 20152 votes

It's Assassins or Mages. I don't know where Assassin rework came from, but I do remember something about mages.

I'd rather see assassins reworked. Like ADCs, only a few are really played. Unlike ADCs, they don't really feel mandatory.

I can understand a lot of hatred towards Assassins. No one likes seeing their health bar drop all at once.

GreymooreOct 30, 20151 votes

If a mage rework was coming, I would like to see Cassiopeia for obvious reasons, to make him less, land full combo and win otherwise loose or at least make his ult be more reliable. Maybe Annie as well, I love playing her but I know that insta tibbers doesn't allow for any reaction time. The most you can do is try to predict it.

Mickey DonnerudoOct 30, 20151 votes

They already did that, don't you remember?

Cassiopeia Veigar Kassadin Mordekaiser

ZT XperimentorOct 31, 20152 votes

Oh you mean terrible reworks? Let's add sona, sion & skarner.

DrNovaOct 31, 20152 votes

Soon was one of the best reworks ever, stop eating paint chips

Meep ManOct 30, 20151 votes

I really wanna see: Anivia Karthus Malzahar Vladimir Ziggs looked at in particular since they either a.) have a very toxic mechanic that is frustrating or potentially damaging to the game or b.) fade into the Mage crowd too much and dont have big identity.

ZedexOct 30, 20151 votes

They've already reworked a lot of the pricing on items for mages, I'm not sure that a full class rework for mages in needed though...They seem perfectly fine at what they do, (depending on what mage you pick)..Mid is the most diverse spot in worlds right now, with jungle, top, and ADC being overshadowed by specific champions who's power levels are too high.

Statistically, mages seem perfectly fine to me. Sure, one could argue that Brand (or cassi, the boards love ranting about her changes) is a little weak, but is he really? For the amount of AoE burst % of HP magic damage he can fling out, I'm pretty sure he's in a fine spot. His weakness is no mobility(or even extra, "mini-game" mechanics), and giving him any would need to remove some damage, which is what seems to attract players to his kit. He's a risky champion, because its easy to destroy him in lane if you can outsmart his telegraphed skill shots. But an extremely potent and skilled Brand can come out of his lane with a lot of damage, ready to be combo'd with his team. Hes a very scary champion when overpowered, as are a lot of other mages. (Veigar, anyone!?)

Danyul TargaryenOct 31, 20151 votes

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They've already reworked a lot of the pricing on items for mages, I'm not sure that a full class rework for mages in needed though...They seem perfectly fine at what they do, (depending on what mage you pick)..Mid is the most diverse spot in worlds right now, with jungle, top, and ADC being overshadowed by specific champions who's power levels are too high.

Statistically, mages seem perfectly fine to me. Sure, one could argue that Brand (or cassi, the boards love ranting about her changes) is a little weak, but is he really? For the amount of AoE burst % of HP magic damage he can fling out, I'm pretty sure he's in a fine spot. His weakness is no mobility(or even extra, "mini-game" mechanics), and giving him any would need to remove some damage, which is what seems to attract players to his kit. He's a risky champion, because its easy to destroy him in lane if you can outsmart his telegraphed skill shots. But an extremely potent and skilled Brand can come out of his lane with a lot of damage, ready to be combo'd with his team. Hes a very scary champion when overpowered, as are a lot of other mages. (Veigar, anyone!?)

Shutup no one thinks brand is weak just binary

ZedexOct 31, 20151 votes

Is this your normal response to conversations on the board?

"Oh I disagree, you should just shut up."

Danyul TargaryenOct 31, 20151 votes