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Pandemic Punch4 votesBlocking more damage from ranged champions is a cool idea. I am not going to pretend to know what that value should be though. I don't like the block every 10 seconds. That would either make Pantheon less viable or make him a god vs ranged champions lol
Nekusen2 votes[{quoted}](name=Tarics Gemstones,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=k3Apn9kq,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-04-24T18:36:42.754+0000)
Blocking more damage from ranged champions is a cool idea. I am not going to pretend to know what that value should be though. I don't like the block every 10 seconds. That would either make Pantheon less viable or make him a god vs ranged champions lol
i kinda agree, i was thinking the options that would be more impactful early game and not so much lategame (blocking flat amounts), while also allowing melee champions to farm without being punished for it (blocking attacks ever X seconds)
Ryùuzaki4 votestrust me you don't want a support alistar taking this item first
ForgiveColour3 votesI would take this thread seriously if top lane wasn't about cancer tanks lmao
Nekusen2 votesI would take this thread seriously if top lane wasn't about cancer tanks lmao
cancer ADCs*, top lane is supposed to be inhabited by tanks.
ForgiveColour3 votes
ModWulf Helhammer1 votesTop lane is supposed to be inhabited by whatever it damn well wants. It's that kind of thinking that gets people flamed for playing off-meta picks.
Did you not even think about people like Riven, Lisandra, Jayce, Tryndamere, Hecarim? Not one of those guys are tanks.
Nekusen1 votesTop lane is supposed to be inhabited by whatever it damn well wants. It's that kind of thinking that gets people flamed for playing off-meta picks.
every class should have a lane where they are viable, if you have ADCs, which counter melee tanks, on top, then they are left without a lane while adcs are left dominating every lane.
ModWulf Helhammer1 votesAnd tanks are still completely viable as junglers and supports, while at the same time being amazing at top. ADCs are not dominating every lane, not by a long shot.
Nekusen1 votesAnd tanks are still completely viable as junglers and supports
rofl, don't know if dishonest or didn't get the point. adcs can bot, mid, top or jg, melee tanks/bruisers have no lane now as they are countered by adc, so they cant even inhabit their actual lane.
also, as a finishing blow, not all tanks/bruisers are supports.
if adcs, according to you, are not dominating top, then these changes to 
won't be an issue to you.
ModWulf Helhammer1 votesAnd not all ADCs can go top or mid or jungle and actually do well.
The only class that is currently struggling is fighters like Riven, because they can't do anything against the tanks (and tank-y builds) running amok top lane.
Tanks are still the staple and strongest top laners, still amazing jungle picks, and the ones that can are great supports.
Also, I like how you are ignoring the guy who posted the facts for you on the prevalence and power of tanks currently.
Nekusen1 votesAnd not all ADCs can go top or mid or jungle and actually do well.
Against actual melee top laners? yes, they can, they can just destroy their hp it they dare try to get cs.
The only class that is currently struggling is fighters like Riven
riven struggling, you are golden, man.
Tanks are still the staple and strongest top laners, still amazing jungle picks, and the ones that can are great supports.
no, you are confusing assassins and such that build tank item with actual tanks.
ModWulf Helhammer1 votesRiven is 30th in win rate in top. You know how is higher then her? Sion, Nautilus, Malphite, Maokai, Zac, Rammus, and Shen (and this isn't including tanky fighters like Garen and Mundo). The only tanks that have a lower win rate then her in top are Tahm and Gragas, and neither of them are played top often anyways.
The only ranged top with a >50% win rate is Quinn (number 11), and that's with a sub 2% play rate, meaning those are mains.
I qualified the tanky builds, but the only ones doing that are Ekko, at 3rd, and Akali, at 13th, so they aren't the ones doing this.
Sorry mate, but you have no grounds on which to make this arguement.
(All stats from Champion.GG)
Nekusen1 votesRiven is 30th in win rate in top. You know how is higher then her? Sion, Nautilus, Malphite, Maokai, Zac, Rammus, and Shen (and this isn't including tanky fighters like Garen and Mundo). The only tanks that have a lower win rate then her in top are Tahm and Gragas, and neither of them are played top often anyways.
http://champion.gg/champion/Riven even so, winrates mean nothing in a 5v5 game, the thing is she takes no skill as basically you just slam your head on the keaybord to get a kill and don't even have resources to manage. also, every site has its own rates, just go to how irrelevant they are as a source.
but still, nothing to do with the fact adcs now have 4 lanes and displaced melee tank/bruisers from theirs. you maybe are happy about that because you main adc or something, but it's not good for the health of the game.
The only ranged top with a >50% win rate is Quinn (number 11), and that's with a sub 2% play rate, meaning those are mains.
quinn, graves, trsitiana, even ezreal, jinx, teemo, pick your poison, they just make actual top laners unable to get any cs, that's why the changes to i purposed would be a good countermeasure so top laners can actually be in their lane.
I qualified the tanky builds, but the only ones doing that are Ekko, at 3rd, and Akali, at 13th, so they aren't the ones doing this.
ekko is actually a bruiser/tank, his whole kit is made around that, so no wonder.
its funny that you are trying to argue that adcs don't hard counter actual top lanners, just basic game logic.
ModWulf Helhammer1 votesAnd you instantly add more discredit to your point by saying that Riven takes no skill, in addition to showing you have never played Riven.
Tell me: if Riven is so easy why then does Riven have a lower win rate then Garen (an actual mechanically non-intensive champion)? Or if tanks are so absent from top lane, why isn't Riven doing better? Because she can take down a squishy marksman pretty damn easily.
Ranged carries haven't displaced anyone from anywhere. Yes, they can be played in more spots, but that doesn't mean that you can't play another champion in that same position. If they had truly thrown out other classes from their lanes, they would be at the top of the charts.....except that they aren't.
No one is going Tristana top, no one is going Ezreal top, no one is going Jinx top.
I'm not arguing the fact that marksmen are the natural counters to tanks. I know that, you know that, everyone who has played this game for even a season knows that; but I wasn't saying that at all. The point I was making is that they are not crowding out other picks, and are not smashing other top laners. The ease of acquiring and strength of armor make it so that marksmen top don't really do much after the first back.
Yes a tank is going to be bullied, but it's not like a melee top can't do that just as easily as a ranged, while being stronger and more durable then them (Renekton anyone?). The key is to understand that you won't have the early game against the ranged -- you will have the late strength, where you will be the engage and peel for your team, and they will have another squishy that won't do anything in a fight.
EDIT: adding to this a response on your whole thing about how different sites have different numbers -- champion.gg only takes numbers from platinum+ ranked, and is widely regarded as the most accurate site for (insert stat here) rates.
Nekusen1 votesAnd you instantly add more discredit to your point by saying that Riven takes no skill, in addition to showing you have never played Riven.
if you want to troll just say it so i won't waste more time, riven takes no skill, im not even going to argue that.
Tell me: if Riven is so easy why then does Riven have a lower win rate then Garen (an actual mechanically non-intensive champion)? Or if tanks are so absent from top lane, why isn't
explained winrates above, pls read. you had champions in their worst moment like galio, zilean or donger that was graphed as having high winrates when they were absolute shit, so again explained above.
Because she can take down a squishy marksman pretty damn easily.
cancer vs cancer
Ranged carries haven't displaced anyone from anywhere
ok, so you are not playing the game then, thanks for letting us know.
Yes, they can be played in more spots, but that doesn't mean that you can't play another champion in that same position.
you can, but you will get hard countered.
No one is going Tristana top, no one is going Ezreal top, no one is going Jinx top.
ROFL !! ok, you certainly have not been playing this game for a while.
I'm not arguing the fact that marksmen are the natural counters to tanks. I know that, you know that, everyone who has played this game for even a season knows that; but I wasn't saying that at all.
so by simple logic, if marksmen are used in all lanes, that means tanks can be used in none.
The point I was making is that they are not crowding out other picks
yes they are, again, have you even been playing lol lately ? because i find it very hard to believe someone who plays the game can miss that this is happening.
Yes a tank is going to be bullied, but it's not like a melee top can't do that just as easily as a ranged
try using, lets say a singed with a quinn top.
Critmaster Garen2 votesTop lane is supposed to be inhabited by whatever it damn well wants. It's that kind of thinking that gets people flamed for playing off-meta picks.
Did you not even think about people like Riven, Lisandra, Jayce, Tryndamere, Hecarim? Not one of those guys are tanks.
will you still say the same, when something other than an adc shows up on bot lane?
otherwise i call double standarts. the fact that marksmen are even mandatory at all is already so wrong on so many levels, when every other class is optional on a per game basis.
ModWulf Helhammer1 votesOf course I will. I've gone Xerath Sona bot lane with a friend, and it's fun as hell. I've played with and against off-meta bot lanes that have destroyed.
And Marksmen aren't mandatory -- they are simply the safest and easiest way to accomplish the task of pushing down towers and objectives. Riot has tried to make it so that other classes can do so as well: blue elixir, removing armor from towers and just increasing health, all these things are done to help other classes, particularly ones without a lot of bonus AD take down towers.; all that's done is make people cry about how weak turrets are.
So take your pick: do you want towers anyone can push down, or do you want stronger ones, but that necessitate a spot on a team to take them down?
thumbnail91 votesThey pretty much are gone from top lane?
