Whats with the gutting of kindred

Lakega··1 votes·1,160 views

Been awhile since I played league, but kindred was my favorite jungler when I left. I came back to find her practically gutted. Why? From what I see they nerfed several aspects of her, and removed her heal sustain..

This boggles my mind. Then again I've never thought highly of the riot balance team, they tend to lash out randomly at champs for reasons, then leave half of them untouched and move onto a new "problem" slash half the champs, ignore the others, and move on.

Kindred atm is in such a shitty spot. With her sustain removed, she can't reliably go into enemy jungles to get her marks, as even if you do manage to kill a jungler, I've noticed many people will come to kill your mark even nearby laners. If you wait until a lane is backed with a jungler gone, chances are your mark is gone too.

Most junglers have some form of built in sustain, either through shields, or passive heals, or just straight up tankiness, Kindred has none of that anymore. Leaving her on lower than normal health compared to other junglers, making her unable to 1v1 in most cases, and therefore unable to get her marks in enemy jungles, or risk dieing in the attempt.

Her kit has low mobility, and with most champs having dashes, binds, slows, and knock up/backs, they an easily wait till your E, then do one of their own gap closers, binds, slows, etc. and you can't capitalize on your only way to keep the enemy within auto range, even with your Q.

Her Q not prioritizing champs has been an issue since release, which still makes for awkward moments when minions are around.

Her Ult, which is extremely clutch, and niche and is only helpful half the time which doesn't take into account it requires team coordination, and or intelligent use that you can't bet on seeing in most pub matches, or ranked matches, unless you're in a 5 man team, making her ult just about useless to most people. An ult that can just as easily turn a game entirely in the enemy teams favor with 1 mistake click.

Her attack speed seems to have been gutted, as well as damage. I need to build almost full attack speed runes, masteries, and items to get any amount of proper damage out of her at any point in the game, early, mid, or late. Which makes her very squishy, and low over all damage, until you can get your marks stacked, but you can't get your marks stacked because you have no sustain to risk the enemy jungle, unless you're already snowballing. Your only chance is to mark enemies and gank them, but in most cases when an enemy is marked they play safe, and are very difficult to kill...

So you're fucked, no matter what you do, unless you're playing against a significantly lower skill level of players. Which shouldn't be a champs balance point...

6 Comments

Korijenkins2 votes

Kindred in the hands of a good player can compete and make plays. That being said they don't really fit into the lethality jungle meta with rengar, lee sin, kha'zix, and graves. The way teams are structured right now the jungle is usually an assassin type character like 3 of the champions I listed since massive ganks and first blood tower are so important. It remains to be seen how Kindred performs with the lethality nerf and the first blood tower nerf. My guess is she won't see much use unless the team is built around her.

Tormentula2 votes

Kindred was literally the most toxic thing to deal with before the gut.

  • W passive made kindred heal randomly in trades and made them always healthy in the jungle, unlike say a lee sin who you can find low in river or something
  • The 2 second CD on Q made them impossible to get away from even early game, causing some of the most oppressive early counter jungling and ganks in the game. Think kalista, but jungling and no damage reduction due to this.
  • E slow was ridiculously strong, once that hit you it might as well been a nasus wither while the ranged kindred chases you down with Q spam.
  • Ultimate made kindred stupidly toxic and cheesy, making games feel less skill based and more han solo in teamfights.
  • %Health passive which, in a tank meta at the time, was just uncool to have.

Thats all I can think of but there was way more issues. Inorder to fix kindred they had to remove some of this from their overloaded kit and remove power from abilities that were single handedly OP (like q)

  • Heal removed (this killed lane kindred which kinda sucks).
  • Q cooldown increased, damage now scales with passive instead of being stupid at all times early.
  • E slow reduced so its not a fucking nasus wither, damage reduce cause even more %health.
  • Base stats nerfed so they can't 1v9 the entire jungle and the junglers.
  • Reworks on mark spawn patterns for either consistency or proper contest by other junglers.

Such a pain in the ass champion during early season 6, and still kinda is today with how their kit works but they're too weak to actually do their job (which is being a pain in the ass). I do want the promised kindred buffs cause I enjoy the champion myself, but then I remember what a "meta" kindred looked like.. have you seen camille lately? Almost as bad if not worse.

SaltyKracka1 votes

They were hilariously OP; their design was so broken every time Riot tried to nerf it they just popped back up to the top of soloQ and competitive play.

So Riot changed their design.

The new jungle hasn't been kind to them, but Riot's been looking into that.

Lakega1 votes

Sure kindred needed some nerfs, but.. Lee has always been a toxic pain to fight against, same with teemo, and many many other handful of champions that have very little counter, and or are just plain a pain in the ass to fight against, and are arguably very broken in what their kit does. Yet they don't get touched, and Kindred gets massive nerfs making her a joke, except in the hands of a really good player vs not so good players.

grug1 votes

kindred is gonna stay trash because riot don't want to remove the gamebreaking ulti which eats a lot of the 'power budget'

FurriesAreHot1 votes

Kindred is getting PBE buffs and is only weak because the meta is against her. She is a tank shredder, not an assassin killer, it ha sad for me, being. Akindred main

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