Keep cool, be considerate. Step above, and show Respect.

Lakega··16 votes·1,810 views

My last game really showed me something. It's that when people log into League, or really any moba for that matter. All types of consideration, and respect goes right out the window. That's what this thread is about. I'm going to step on alot of peoples corn flakes, and I'm going to cause many peoples panties to get into a seriously bunch, but you know what? It has to be said.


I have never seen a game that takes the fundamentals of society, turns it upside down, and twists into such a confusing ball of crap, even people trying to attack toxicity, ends up being the only toxic ones in the game themselves.


Be Considerate

Being considerate is not something to frown upon. It's the first step to showing respect, and is in no way less important, or a show of good maturity, and well, being a good human being by showing respect to people.. you haven't even met yet.

Don't Join Games to "Mess Around" This massive lack of consideration I see when people join a 3's game, and decides "I'm going to fuck around". That's not considerate. It seems the majority of mentality towards 3 is that it's a mode to fuck around in, and only 5's is a "legitimate" game mode, or ranked. I'm sorry to break your bubble, but 3's is a legit mode as well, and many people play it exclusively to enjoy it. It's extremely inconsiderate to go into a game, to fuck around, knowing full well you're ruining it for your other 2 teammates, unless they just happen to be messing around as well.

Why? Go into bots, or don't play league at all. What gives you the right to think its ok to act this way and somehow you're still a good person? It doesn't, unfortunately. This alone tells me a lot about you, and none of it good.

Show Respect

This is the biggest problem with the community. Unless you're saying "gg" and pretend like your whole team is somehow god tier, and awesome players. You'll be gang raped by your own team, and the enemy for being toxic and reported 9 ways.

That doesn't mean its ok to say "omfg you noob, why did you do that?" but at the same time, someone saying "you're not playing very well this game" Isn't being toxic, its an opinionated statement, one which may be true. Here's where the difficult mature respect comes in.

Look at yourself.. Before you get your panties in a bunch, are you playing more poorly than usual, or are they just missing stuff? What's you're reply? "Shut up asshole, I'm doing better than you" is not a good reply. However its how 95% of the community would respond... Lets try something like.. "Maybe I'm playing more poorly than usual, I'll try to step it up." Thumbs up That shows respect.

Doesn't matter if you actually think you are or not, doesn't matter what the truth actually is. It's a respectful answer that fixes the problem. It leads to you actually doing it, and the other guy to shut up. (In most cases.. either way you come out the better).

There are 2 extremes in League Community, and that's where people go to toxic levels that even singed would avoid on the most minimal of things, and then people who try to fight toxicity at every possible chance, but end up being just as toxic in return, usually to far higher levels than the person they were originally targeting.

An example of this, is a situation I got into weeks ago. I noticed the Jungler and Support were not warding. As the ADC I was the only one warding. I told the Jungler and Support to please start warding, its part of their jobs. (People seem to hate hearing something is their "job"). They immediately started attacking me, saying I'm toxic, and a tryhard, and to give it a break. When I simply pointed out they were not warding as often as they could have, the rest of the team jumps on me, and by the end of the game, I get reported for toxicity by the entire game, for simply requesting a simple thing.


In ending, this is my lesson, and point of this whole post... Before you get butthurt, or agitated at someone pointing out a flaw, problem, or possibly not playing very good. Before you go into a game, and or situation. Stop and think.. "Is this respectful?" Doesn't matter if he's being disrespectful first, be respectful back, 9/10 times, that person will start to feel foolish and become quiet pretty quick when they realize you're not only being respectful, but also dealing with the situation. Such as my example above about playing poorly.

Have consideration and respect for your fellow teammates, help them, don't just bash them. Don't get upset when if they point out flaws, or problems, that's how you grow and get better. Don't ignore a person being toxic... This part is hard, I know, but show respect and maturity back, and deal with what they're saying. Not only will you make them shut up about it, but you'll get them back into the game much more often than not, and still have a chance at winning. Again using the example above about the comment of playing poorly...

This will only happen if we the community combat it ourselves. Right now we're doing it all wrong. We're fighting toxicity with toxicity, and that won't fix a damn thing. Fight toxicity with respect, and maturity, it's the only way.

27 Comments

Sammystorm5 votes

You have some good points and some really awful ones that contradict the rest of your points.

First off: Yes the community needs to not fight toxicity with toxicity. Yes we need more respect and consideration.

However you completely justify your own behavior even though it isn't respectful or considerate. Saying something like "start warding, its your job" is rather belittling and says that they don't know how to play the game. Their are numerous ways that you could have approached that but yours was not considerate or respectful and was borderline toxic.

Lakega1 votes

Thanks.

Though I do have to point out, that was a quick version of what I said. "Start warding, its your job" isn't the only thing I said, or how I worded it. That was the summed up version. It was more like "Leona, can you ward a little more here and here (with pings)." They responded with "I am asshole", in which I responded with, "It's just I haven't seen any wards from you all game, and it is considered the supports job to ward most, though everyone should be doing it now that we all get free ones". That snow balled into me getting reported for toxicity.

Regardless that's not being toxic in anyway. I have to disagree that it's not belittling either in anyway shape or form, even if I had tacked on "It is considered the supports job". Nor does it say the person doesn't know how to play. The simple fact is, they were not doing it. Trying to be "politically correct", and not potentially hint that they aren't god tier amazing, or know the game like a challenger series player is ridiculous.

This is the mentality we need to step away from as well imo. Tell them how it is. Don't pretend, but at the same time, be respectful. Asking them to do something they aren't is NOT belittling in anyway shape or form, nor will it ever be if done respectfully.

Sammystorm1 votes

No asking them to do something is not bad. Saying things like "its your job" or "its considered the supports job to ward" gives people the impression that you know better how to play their position then they do. The reality is that you might know how to play better. However when dealing with people the reality is rather irrelevant. What does matter is that you keep every one on the same side and working as a team. Given how you phrased that I am not at all surprised they snapped at you.

HexaDecimel1 votes

Rather then telling an individual teammate what you think they should be doing, perhaps it would work better to offer more generalized comments that address the entire team. Saying something like, "Hey guys, we don't have a lot of vision on the map and it looks like the enemy team is taking advantage of that, could we get some more wards placed?"

I am not saying it will work, but it is a way of offering a solution to a problem without making an individual teammate think you are judging them. Just remember, if they aren't doing well or if it feels like the game is lost then they are probably frustrated too.

Zyorhist3 votes

every time I get someone in my games that is being toxic I think of these two videos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=670if6Etx0o

and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxAabW7JfTQ

helps me know how to keep my calm when dealing with them.

ADepressedLeona1 votes

{quoted}

every time I get someone in my games that is being toxic I think of these two videos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=670if6Etx0o

and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxAabW7JfTQ

helps me know how to keep my calm when dealing with them.

I think everyone needs to watch these

Zyorhist2 votes

I concur, but everytime I mention them, someone goes through and down votes me.

slippykitten2 votes

This is exactly right, but unfortunately completely contrary to Riots opinions on the game.

Their motto is "Do whatever you want, even if that means ruining everyones game over and over and if they dare say anything to you about it, we'll ban them for you"

KGBcommunist2 votes

I mostly play normals. I cant stand it when people go on there and think its ok to go ad thresh top and proceed to feed the riven 6 kills at 10 mins. Its a huge waste of my time and my teammates to deal with this shit. At one point i say hey play it safe man please for the love of god dont feed her. His response was "its just normals stop sweating". I fucking hate that. I dont have all day to play league. I have a job and commitments but when i do have time i would like to enjoy it. By enjoy i mean not getting troll teammates. Its so fucking easy not to feed. So fucking easy. You want to try a different non meta champ or build? Go for it. Just dont feed. Thats what in my opinion breeds toxicity. The will to blatantly throw games and not care about it after. God forbid i say anything to them ethier because that itself is followed up with me being reported.

Supreme Senpai691 votes

Yea dude i've literally begged players to just AFK because of the sheer amount of feeding. Obviously, this happens after the dozens of 'please play defensively' suggestions. But i just dont get it.

Timewinder2 votes

Just don't say anything in chat except for timers and calls. If someone is being disrespectful, mute or ignore them. There's really no need to ever use the report button except for extreme cases.

Lakega1 votes

Unfortunately people abuse the report system to holy hell and back.

ThePartyLeader1 votes

8/10 if your weren't an imaginary person on the internet I would be your friend.

Deep Terror Nami1 votes

Maybe that's what an imaginary friend is these days?

ThePartyLeader1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=neENR2Zj,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2015-12-04T18:48:33.803+0000)

Maybe that's what an imaginary friend is these days?

For the most part. I have a few imaginary friend but I don't often seek them out. Then again I think we agreed that your my smurf so I'm technically talking to myself. So maybe I should seek them out.

Zyorhist1 votes

your smurf is gold...I don't see how a smurf can be of higher rank...

ThePartyLeader1 votes

{quoted}

your smurf is gold...I don't see how a smurf can be of higher rank...

As you can check I only play placements on my main.

Zyorhist1 votes

I only play my main when I lose, that's why my smurf is challenger

Deep Terror Nami1 votes

Sometimes I forget who my smurfs are. Thx for reminding myself. :3

Lakega3 votes

Thank you. Ironically I just got a chat ban lawls... Apparently asking a vayne in 3's, to be considerate, and not join it just to fuck around, was toxic enough to chat ban me... shrugs. Ironically the very first 10 lines was the brand bashing me to high heaven saying I'm worthless, then the vayne saying "I don't take 3's seriously I'm here to fuck around" and then trash talk to me, far before I start to say anything in return. When I do, it's mostly me saying it's just not a good reason to not want to try just because you don't take 3's seriously... /facepalm...

The only noteable all negative thing I said was that brand was paying poorly, which he was. That comment was to back up the reason why I stopped caring about that particular game, and just asked the other team to bum rush the base. Vayne not giving a damn about the game, and the brand paying very poorly... Oh damn, i was so toxic! sarcasm.

This is why I wrote this post above.. The fact I can be chat banned for such tiny things as asking others to be considerate, shows how far League community has fallen. It isn't even the first time I was reported by over half the players in the game when all I did was point something out that should be easily fixable to help us win, yet in the end.. I get reported massively, when they were 10x more toxic by a long shot.

I used to be a bit toxic, I'll admit awhile ago, though it only ever came out when I saw people going full retard. Never once got even a slap on the wrist by Riot. Now that I've taken a new stance, and attempting to show respect and courtesy back? I get chat banned. (lawls)....

The irony, is the fact Vayne and I talked in the after battle and actually left on good terms. He understood where I came from, and I understand where he was coming from. Both of us had already reported, but I think we both felt a little bad for reporting the other person in the end.

Cremepie1 votes

If anything just don't saying anything in chat. Save yourself the 2 calories and 10 seconds.

tfw youre a god1 votes

Or just don't talk in chat because 90% of the playerbase consists of fucking idiots anyway

slippykitten1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Raid Boss Voli,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=neENR2Zj,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2015-12-04T19:16:42.804+0000)

Or just don't talk in chat because 90% of the playerbase consists of fucking idiots anyway

Except that's the great fallacy. Every single person thinks everyone ELSE are the idiots and so they treat them that way.

TurquoiseYoshi1 votes

Bot games are where I play Sated Gnar jungle and AD Thresh. Don't tell anybody.

Pledgie1 votes

games these days are extremely frustrating to come back from. stomp or be stomped. thats like 99 percent of where my toxicity comes from tbh. but im not rude to other players. just frustrated and go on tilt i guess.

HexaDecimel1 votes

I have found that the best way to address an individuals play is to address the entire team in a fashion that provides a solution,

For example, if Top keeps getting ganked and still isn't warding I might say something like, "Hey guys, looks like we are going to need to put more wards out, they might be camping toplane", or if my adc is playing way too aggressive and missing cs because of it I might say, "Let try playing a bit more passive so our jungler can get a good gank in, they are dealing a bit too much damage right now".

Although this doesn't always work, I have found that generally people are more open to ideas if they don't feel you are talking directly at them and telling them what they need to be doing. If you throw out an idea that is more directed towards the entire team people will feel less like you are trying to single them out.

I think this could go along with being considerate and respectful of other players. I have never seen an instance where yelling at a teammate and calling them trash has ever helped them win the game. But, to take it a step further I would say you also need to be aware of less obvious things that may upset people. There will always be trolls, ragers, inexperienced players, and those who are extremely sensitive to any criticism. And although that is their issue and not yours, you are still responsible for the way you interact with them.

If a players main objective is to win, then they should be doing everything in their power to make sure that they do their part. If you are badly losing a game, stay positive, don't give up, and try and learn strategies that can help come backs. If you end up losing the game focus on staying positive and don't blame others so that you don't tilt for the next match. Don't argue with ragers and trolls, encourage and assist players that are performing badly, but try to avoid singling out teammates when offering advice. Do not respond to verbal abuse, but try to encourage team communication. In my opinion these are the things that go outside of game knowledge and mechanical skill to help players win games.

Weathered1 votes

Translation of title -- stop dam autolocking

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