I don't get this EVE remake..

Lakega··15 votes·1,032 views

It's awesome and all. I love the aesthetics, the idea behind her, and her skill honestly.. but its balanced all wrong, and seems to punish her two fold for every little trick they gave her.

Lets look at her stealth. Biggest radius I've ever seen in league. You can see her coming a mile away. Sure it lets you sneak into bushes.. but... That's a niche thing. Most times when you're ganking they will be in lane, and by the time you leave that bush they've spotted you.. just like they would of anyway.

Her E radius to pounce an enemy is so damn small it may as well not even exist. If it had a longer range, that would balance out the abusively massive detection radius, or if the detection radius was smaller, that would help balance out the abusively small pounce radius. But as it stands.. neither does her a favor. You have to play as if they dont exist.

Her Charm.... really? That's where 70% of her damage is.. If the enemy is stupid enough to let you get in range with your zero gap closers and meh movement speed, most adc's, mages, etc. have CC gap closers, jumps, etc. to get out of dodge 10 miles before you can close that distance. Not to mention if you want any meaningful damage you need to wait and broadcast to the whole game who you're about to kill so they have ample time to hold their skills and wait for you to attack, or get out before you do.

Without her high CD ult, she has no escape or safety, and she's pretty damn squishy. She can't really survive without her ult, and again, it has a high CD. Unless she's uber fed, she'll do so so damage to everyone in a cone, and nuke 1 enemy down to low hp, but won't kill them, even a squishy, unless they were stupid enough to let the charm finish for max damage.

Without her ult, you lose over half your damage, without her charm fully finishing and getting a hit on it, you lose another big chunk of damage.. Both of which usually dont happen in a fight resulting in eve's damage output being laughable at best, and atrocious at worst with little to no pressure possibility, again unless she gets uber fed.

All in all you're a meh champ, who can't survive fights with a kit that should be cool and interesting, but is so heavily punished for every cool thing it's not worth it.

Edit:

I forgot to add as well, that while she has an awesomely fast clear time, and survival in jungle with her passive heal, due to all the limitations in fights above (again unless you get uber fed, but not counting that, because what champ isn't that way?) she can't even use that fast clear to push towers, or split push because all her damage is kitted to assassinating a squishy, which she honestly has difficulty doing with how her kit works.

12 Comments

Lakega4 votes

new but useless tools.

her new ult pushes her back sure, but so many champs have such large gap closers, they can still chase her.

Diving demolishes your health.

She's just not viable.

Paroe2 votes

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new but useless tools.

her new ult pushes her back sure, but so many champs have such large gap closers, they can still chase her.

Diving demolishes your health.

She's just not viable.

Why are you still holding her to the old eve? Its a relaunch. EVERYTHING has been changed. But let me give you some basics.

  1. Her new E is to proc lichbane.
  2. Eve is meant to go in and out of battle and pick people off, not wade into a teamfight and Q spam until something is dead
  3. Eve is healthier BY FAR now than she was before; not is only is there much more skill expression in eve now, shes a lot more fun to play against.
  4. Her W is situational. Dont use it to engage, use it to chase. Thats why it has such a large range.

Eve needs a couple things... Mostly her empowered E needs a range increase. Movement speed towards W'd enemies would also be nice - eve has a problem with not being able to kite properly.

Rebonack8 votes

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  1. Eve is healthier BY FAR now than she was before; not is only is there much more skill expression in eve now, shes a lot more fun to play against.

Riot designing champions around being fun to play against rather than fun to play as is the reason why this game has gotten so awful.

Paroe1 votes

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Riot designing champions around being fun to play against rather than fun to play as is the reason why this game has gotten so awful.

Hah Hahaha. Thats so not true its funny. Riots been designing new champions (who arent utility oriented) to be fun to play. Dont you remember kayn?

Eve is better than she was; shes more balanced, more able to be tuned, and a lot less binary. Shes a lichbane champion now where she wasnt before, as most people just Q spammed. Before you pass any kind of judgement you need to stop saying "but but but its not the eve from before!!!!".

Jorencice2 votes

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Riot designing champions around being fun to play against rather than fun to play as is the reason why this game has gotten so awful.

I agree bring back old unkillable AP sion and old pre dumpster eve.

I want to 1 shot people from perma stealth with a stun that also gains you 500 life a kill.

Cuz i find that fun.

Also increase karthus ult to a 3.0 AP ratio.

Thunderneedle4 votes

New Eve has no damage compared to old Eve.

She is incredibly slow and she has no more stealth.

On old Eve you stalked, waited for the enemy to waste cooldowns and crushed them from behind a corner. You proc laden duskblade sheen and gunbladd and they vanished or they didn't. If they didn't vanish you had to have started your combo with ult and miscalculated. If it was an adc and he had time to auto he lifestealed to full.

New eve: no movespeed, so she cannot manoeuvre around enemies with her ridiculously large detection range. Warns everyone in advance. No surprise, they save cooldowns and walk away or towards her. If they spot her before the mark primes she dies. If they walk she was useless because she has no movespeed or gap closers to catch up.

Did you not have enough damage? Very likely since evelynn base damages and scaling are absolute shit. Q is worse than old Eve and less spammable. E is worse. W, don't laugh, no competent player eats the charm ever. And worst of all EVEN HER ULT IS TELEGRAPHED. they can zhonya/flash It.

Every single thing of her kit has so much counterplay only the most daft of enemies die to her. And even if you manage to do everything correctly (W mark, let prime for 2.5 sec while staying in range yet not being seen, somehow gapclosing (read burning flash and proto) then full combo including ult YOU STILL DO NO DAMAGE. And if you do enemies tell me they died in 3.2 sec or something like that. Which, again means that if it was a competent adc he has autoattacked you twice in those 0.7 secs after the mark and lifestealed to above 30%, didn't get executed and is now killing you.

Fed old Eve blew squishy's in 0.08.

ChDior3 votes

compare to the old one, the new eve is totally trash . i want the old eve back

Taliyah Rocks2 votes

You're probably better off not casting her charm unless the enemy is really pushed. She still has the ability to cheese gank from stealth once she hits 6. She did lose a lot of what made her frustrating to play against, but she gained lots of new tools in exchange.

Without her old ult's shield she can't dive as aggressively as before, but on the other hand she can escape and execute more easily.

She lost her early stealth cheese, but her early camp clear is much better.

Her passive allows her to stick around the map after bad trades instead of backing to base, it's pretty much a free warmog.

Her W can be used to scare a laner while you steal the enemy camps, or just apply pressure and deny farm.

Tracker's knife might be a good idea to keep track of the enemy jungler.

Kharlon2 votes

I don't know, been watching a platinum friend of mine run eve, and he demolishes people. I honestly don't see any of the complaints outside of her E range she does good damage, and if she can succeed in plat, she is pretty viable in my book.

Mimr1 votes

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I don't know, been watching a platinum friend of mine run eve, and he demolishes people. I honestly don't see any of the complaints outside of her E range she does good damage, and if she can succeed in plat, she is pretty viable in my book.

I need to playtest her further but I really don't get her. She's an incredibly squishy melee assassin with very poor mobility that has to prime her target for 2.5 seconds before she can do anything. And even if her W remains 2.5 seconds the only way you can get it to detonate quickly is hitting your Q from far away (try to do that in a teamfight). She needs to meet too many conditions in order to threaten someone which is meh.

I think a lot of her problems could be alleviated if her E had a proper range. If you didn't manage to reposition properly during the 2.5 seconds her W needs to prime you deserve to be pounced on. And if point and click is too much it could even be made a skillshot (goes through and deals minor damage to everything including champions but stops once she hits whoever has her W on him/ her and slows/ charms them depending on if it's fully primed or not).

And if that can't be done, at the very least give her additional movement speed towards anything that has her W on it.

I understand Riot erred on the safe side because of Eve's inherent balancing problems with the permastealth but she really needs a mobility buff.

Sai Aquarius1 votes

I feel ya, but it's still early. Riot might nerf/buff her or something.

Abibyama1 votes

Keep it up and riot will break her soon enough with endless buffs and new runes

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