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Aaaand another item getting destroyed because of Ezreal.

WoonStruck··7 votes·678 views

item 3025 damage being cut by 20%.

A better nerf would have been lowering the CDR back down to 10%. Riot's overstepping this nerf big time.

Sheen procs are already sub-par on alot of champs, including ones that utilize them well (Triforce where?). At this rate its going to used as often as Trinity Force, and they'll use that as an excuse to say Trinity Force is in an alright spot.

How about we gut Ezreal's Q for once instead of every item he utilizes well?

Like, I get that everyone is utilizing IBG, but why wouldn't they when its a heavy-handed AD meta where you have to pretty much play AD or a tank to thrive. Tanks need damage to pressure ADCs, so its pretty obvious why its being purchased.

However, Ez single-handedly gets so many items gutted that its pretty obvious what the answer should be by now...

If the excuse really is top-laners rushing sunfire and IBG every game...

How about you buff all of the other armor items you essentially destroyed so they're viable buys again? Either that or nerf the base AD of the champions that are problematic with IBG instead.

People are buying Sunfire and IBG because they're the only armor items that haven't been nerfed over and over until they're practically unusable in this arms race meta.

IBG will continue to be bought until you nerf it to the point of being as useless as item 3078 for the majority of champions. Its because of this over-loaded AD meta, along with every other armor item being in a horrible state that they're the go-to purchases.

22 Comments

darkdill4 votes

"Because it's not Ezreal." - Riot Games

Their excuse every single time.

WoonStruck1 votes

Pretty much.

Erockandroll1 votes

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"Because it's not Ezreal." - Riot Games

Their excuse every single time.

Are you only looking at your Elo?

looking at the LCS, ICB has been abused, by many melee tanks. Notably poppy.

and frankly, I haven't seen Ez in the lcs in a while. He's not the problem. (at least not at the pro scene.)

WoonStruck1 votes

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Are you only looking at your Elo?

looking at the LCS, ICB has been abused, by many melee tanks. Notably poppy.

and frankly, I haven't seen Ez in the lcs in a while. He's not the problem. (at least not at the pro scene.)

"Notably poppy"

Wouldn't you think Poppy should be nerfed, rather than IBG then? And did you even pay attention to the fact that every other armor item is lackluster due to how much they've been nerfed?

IBG and Sunfire are symptoms of the problem, not a problem in themselves.

No, Ez isn't a problem in the pro scene, but he wasn't with his prior nerfs either, was he? He and Lucian are still the go-to picks in solo queue for bot lane.

Venowolf1 votes

Skarner is the greater offender with the nerf of IBG, Riot need to buff him in some way

WoonStruck1 votes

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Skarner is the greater offender with the nerf of IBG, Riot need to buff him in some way

Actually, with Skarner, its better to go warrior->black cleaver->DMP->tank.

You get way more done.

Skarner was my first thought with this nerf, but then I remembered tank skarner sucks now with the state cinderhulk is in and the current meta.

Venowolf1 votes

Actually Skarner is the jungle that cause less damage and with these nerfs he is even worse dealing damage

http://champion.gg/statistics/#?roleSort=Jungle&sortBy=general.totalDamageDealtToChampions&order=ascend

I'm disaggre with warrior build, he is a good tank, and Cindehulk is not in bad state, Gragas, Sejuani, Rammus, Nautilus , Zac and Amummu perform very well with Cinderhulk, Skarner right now is decent but with these nerfs, he need some fair buffs to compesate

WoonStruck1 votes

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Actually Skarner is the jungle that cause less damage and with these nerfs he is even worse dealing damage

http://champion.gg/statistics/#?roleSort=Jungle&sortBy=general.totalDamageDealtToChampions&order=ascend

I'm disaggre with warrior build, he is a good tank, and Cindehulk is not in bad state, Gragas, Sejuani, Rammus, Nautilus , Zac and Amummu perform very well with Cinderhulk, Skarner right now is decent but with these nerfs, he need some fair buffs to compesate

Cinderhulk is in a pretty terrible state, and is a waste on skarner. Why use that item slot for ~600 HP late game when you can use it for something useful? You grab warrior's and black cleaver, you have damage to kill anyone if they're in range for 3 seconds. Buy armor+hp in every other item slot (dead man's, randuins, sunfire), and you'll roll over most team comps.

If they have significant magic damage, use a runepage without 10% CDR and roll spirit visage or locket.

WoonStruck1 votes

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Ralanr1 votes

I'm fine with the damage nerf. I only get it for utility anyway.

WoonStruck1 votes

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I'm fine with the damage nerf. I only get it for utility anyway.

Exactly why this change won't move people away from the item. CDR would have been a better nerf.

Either that, or nerfing the 'problematic' champions.

I mean, you don't see Riot nerfing item 3508 for so many ADCs practically rushing it to the point of being binary, so the IBG nerf is pretty misplaced.

Ralanr2 votes

"Tanks are doing so much damage!"

So they nerf the damage on tank items. Problem solved.

WoonStruck1 votes

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"Tanks are doing so much damage!"

So they nerf the damage on tank items. Problem solved.

Tanks aren't the only champions doing too much damage though. Everyone has that issue atm, minus supports.

Ralanr1 votes

How so?

WoonStruck1 votes

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How so?

For the same reason "ADCs being too hard to kill" isn't getting Mercurial and Maw's survivability stats nerfed and Sterak's isn't getting a 'melee only' tag or a health threshold.

You can't tell me you don't notice how quickly 'tanks' and 'bruisers' get melted this season. If they can't pressure in the time they're still alive, they'll stop being useful.

If tank damage goes down, ADC survivability needs to go down so more than just tanks or AD assassins are viable against them.

Ralanr1 votes

So who else is abusing IBG other than tanks and Ezreal?

WoonStruck1 votes

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So who else is abusing IBG other than tanks and Ezreal?

Its not about champions 'abusing' it. I'd hardly say champions are 'abusing' ADC items, despite many of the rush items there being just as binary as IBG. cough item 3508 cough

The reason is because of the massively lopsided AD meta, not because its OP.

If mages were more viable, IBG would cease to be a rush item unless its absolutely core on that champion.

Even with the nerfs, people will still use IBG because it offers CDR, damage, and armor. Everything a tank needs for this meta outside of HP, which they will be buying plenty of.

This isn't solving the issue, which is AD being too strong atm which creates damage spreads leaning way too far towards physical damage.

In fact, a better 'nerf' would be to make the spellblade procs all magic damage. It would be a self-correcting problem in that every top laner would then also need significant MR in order to lane safely. ADCs would also effectively take less damage due to Maw/Scimitar.

warpenguin5551 votes

This time it's not only his fault. He just beat everybody to using the op item

WoonStruck1 votes

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This time it's not only his fault. He just beat everybody to using the op item

More like Ez's Q is overloaded and his ability to proc it constantly from range is the issue with Ez.

For everyone else its simply one of the only options to make yourself relevant as a bruiser, especially since it allows you to dive. If they nerfed AD, they'd see more diversity top, and less IBG as a result. It'd also allow more build-flexibility, since early armor wouldn't be 100% required anymore.

Hardly a case of Ez 'beating everyone to using the op item.'

GamblerOfLives1 votes

the thing is IBG and TF are very good items both..but, IBg gives 20% cdr,has spellblade,tank stats and it;s very cheap.. Why go TF when IBG gives early powerspikes, tanks etc.

I started buying it on VI,and it feels so good..TF has more burst..but, it's not really that much of a difference ..They should balance the price and things will go better;).

WoonStruck1 votes

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the thing is IBG and TF are very good items both..but, IBg gives 20% cdr,has spellblade,tank stats and it;s very cheap.. Why go TF when IBG gives early powerspikes, tanks etc.

I started buying it on VI,and it feels so good..TF has more burst..but, it's not really that much of a difference ..They should balance the price and things will go better;).

TF was nerfed for everyone except ADCs...and even on ADCs it was effectively nerfed. Notice how even Lucian doesn't use it anymore? Its hardly a good item atm.

More people would buy TF if it was actually a viable item.

GamblerOfLives1 votes

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TF was nerfed for everyone except ADCs...and even on ADCs it was effectively nerfed. Notice how even Lucian doesn't use it anymore? Its hardly a good item atm.

More people would buy TF if it was actually a viable item.

man, TF is really expensive:)..and not worth all those stats it gives.. IBG totally worth, cheaper (alot cheaper) and it gives tanks what thye need CDR and tank stats and some dmg:)

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