Can yi be taken a look at?

AR URF·Jun 6, 2018·35 votes·12,362 views

I hate how assassins can 100-0 being unfed, but they're still only good for 1 champion in most cases. this motherfucker gets to do an assassins job but on the team. How many pentakills do you see get on aram? I see it all the time. It's now becoming the same way on Summoners rift and I'm seeing yi pick rates skyrocket in summoners rift now. Shit you guys thought yasuo was bad? How about who just gets attack speed and 50% damage taken by him as a tank is true damage.

how I would fix him is to increase the cooldown on alpha strike by a lot. let him be slowed when he ults because there are some champions who's kits are made for that.

63 Comments

HethaleanJun 6, 201813 votes

With Conqueror, IE, and his Wuju style, you can't do anything about him anymore even with Red Smite (every game I have a yi against me... I look at the damage done in death recap 1000 true dmg from Wuju, 110 phys from AAs, 200 from Alpha Strike), and if he got ER, he's much much harder to pin down.

Increasing alpha strike doesn't change much honestly.

AR URFJun 6, 20184 votes

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With Conqueror, IE, and his Wuju style, you can't do anything about him anymore even with Red Smite (every game I have a yi against me... I look at the damage done in death recap 1000 true dmg from Wuju, 110 phys from AAs, 200 from Alpha Strike), and if he got ER, he's much much harder to pin down.

Increasing alpha strike doesn't change much honestly.

They'll have to change up wuju style.

AirKingNeoJun 6, 201814 votes

except Yi isn't building IE because crit builds are over 600 more gold now.

TheSingularityJun 7, 20183 votes

Urgot can demolish him if he gets ahead in lane

RainXBladeJun 7, 20181 votes

As a Yi main, Urgot is always a pain to deal with, whether he's ahead or behind.

TheSingularityJun 7, 20181 votes

Issue with being behind is mainly in urgots ability to survive the rest of yi's team. Most yi's ignore me and go straight for carries. But that's pointless if I can't survive everything else

AirKingNeoJun 6, 201811 votes

No. A 46% winrate champion shouldn't be nerfed when their pickrate is less than 15%.

HaIlMonitorJun 6, 20184 votes

Where did you cherry pick from this time? Brazil plat plus?

AirKingNeoJun 6, 20189 votes

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/masteryi/jungle/diamond

please don't baselessly accuse someone of cherrypicking stats

HaIlMonitorJun 6, 20182 votes

So he isnt doing well in one area, but has a 51% globally. Those top 1% of players must really feel good about their meta.

TheCodeisCupCakeJun 6, 20186 votes

Oceania severs OMEGALUL

AR URFJun 6, 20186 votes

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No. A 46% winrate champion shouldn't be nerfed when their pickrate is less than 15%.

champion.gg has him at 53-51.

BarcidJun 6, 20185 votes

Champion.gg is limited to Plat+ while the link posted is Diamond+. There's a reason this is, and it's because Yi is a pub-stomper - his counter is teamwork and CC. Generally speaking, mid-Diamond and up games will ensure they have some sort of champions with hard CC 1) because CC is OP as fuck and don't let anyone tell you different, and 2) so that certain pub-stomp champions never get to run rampant (champs like Udyr and Yi).

Generally these champs have pretty decent winrates all the time and then drop like rocks in high tiers. If they're ever reaching above 51% in high tier play, there's probably a massive problem with them or they're being played next to never.

HaIlMonitorJun 6, 20183 votes

Rengar is also a pub stomper, and he runs rampant af in that elo.

Also Udyr is the Highest winrate champ in D+... so...

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/udyr/jungle/diamond

BarcidJun 6, 20182 votes

Rengar has few dedicated mains and is a much more vehement feast or famine champ - he either oneshots or doesn't, much like how Shaco was (is). Unlike Yi, you can't really see Rengar coming because of his ult and leap range from brush.

Udyr is actually pretty much busted right now since he's an early game duelist jungler who benefited greatly from a lot of the changes made. Due to the nature of the champ itself as well, he's one of the most efficient jungle-clearers in the game. Unless you're packing enough snares to keep a 787 from moving, he's in a place where he's just going to brute force his way through most situations.

Their playrates are also much lower than Yi's, meaning only dedicated mains are picking them up and playing them. Where Yi's the kind of champ any ol' schmuck can grab and right click on an enemy a whole lot with, Udyr at least requires you to know what to level when and how to time your abilities to maximize damage.

SweedishGunnerJun 7, 20181 votes

Rengars a bullshit champ, you ain't winning anyone over saying 'he doesn't oneshot'.

BarcidJun 7, 20182 votes

You realize I said he either DOES or DOESN'T, right? When he's behind, he flat out doesn't do his job. He dies. He jumps on you like a kitten and immediately gets punted into oblivion.

At no point did I imply that Rengar can't oneshot, nor did I imply that it's not common - it's literally what his champ is built to do, but if he was 0/4 and still able to oneshot the 8/0 ADC who has ninja tabis, some eyebrows might very well be raised at just how balanced it might be.

He's an assassin and his job is to assassinate. He just doesn't come with the same utility that some others come with (Zed with an escape for example, or Shaco with an untargetable ult activation and a relatively low cooldown invisi-blink). Rengar can literally really only leap in and to get out, he has to waddle his lumbering ass back out of the fight or get cucked (or when he's atrociously fed, kill a couple more people). He has no escape like the majority of other assassins, so he either does the job quick or he dies. That's his entire champion function.

Is this fun, intuitive, and fair? Fuck no. It's a no to both sides because it's unfair if he can't do his job and has no forgiveness attached to trying to do it and it's unfair for the target when they can't even respond to his burst because it's so fast. But that's what the champion is. Take it up with Riot, fuck knows everyone has at this point.

PoppyTheWerewolfJun 6, 20189 votes

He is quite overpowered right now that's all I have to say

AR URFJun 6, 20188 votes

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He is quite overpowered right now that's all I have to say

idk why I'm getting down-voted. I can't possibly be in the minority on this.

AirKingNeoJun 6, 20187 votes

could it be...

people believe in...

the facts?

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/masteryi/jungle/diamond

rtbf11791216Jun 6, 20185 votes

winrate has nothing to do with a champion bring broken man yi is a problem he is way to overpowered

Thimes v2Jun 7, 20181 votes

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could it be...

people believe in...

the facts?

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/masteryi/jungle/diamond

According to that website Janna has 44% winrate. That's nonsense, low sample statistics.

AirKingNeoJun 7, 20181 votes

Janna is out of meta. Woop dee doo, pickrate is a stat too.

Pika FoxJun 6, 20184 votes

Yi gets pentakills on aram because youre randomed champions you likely dont have a lot of skill with and your teamcomp is usually garbage and doesnt synergize. Has nothing to do with yi being a good teamfighter (hes not, hes one of the worst and id rather teamfight with a heimer than a yi)

LemurMonsterJun 6, 20184 votes

Something has to be done with him in aram because of this item item 3508 he was alpha striking like every 2 seconds & could not CC him at all because of it.

I cant even imagine if it was a team of non CC champ or a bad teamcomp. I fought a team such as that with him & I just steam rolled over them.

GaliöJun 6, 20183 votes

He is being changed. He is getting buffs cause he is pretty weak right now.

AR URFJun 6, 20187 votes

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He is being changed. He is getting buffs cause he is pretty weak right now.

He's all things but weak.

GaliöJun 6, 20183 votes

Maybe if you're a dodo bird and let him get to you and wail on you for a bit.

AR URFJun 6, 20183 votes

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Maybe if you're a dodo bird and let him get to you and wail on you for a bit.

Kind of hard not to be a dodo bird when the champ i'm playing is Lux for example

GaliöJun 6, 20182 votes

You hit q and r and he should be dead..?

AR URFJun 6, 20184 votes

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You hit q and r and he should be dead..?

and if he q's your q than you're fucked. Not all yi players just blindly run into lux q's

GaliöJun 6, 20185 votes

That's the issue... tahts all he can do. its up to you to have vision and hit your Q. It's not Yi that's good its other players that are bad and for the Yi player to find that bad player.

AR URFJun 6, 20184 votes

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That's the issue... tahts all he can do. its up to you to have vision and hit your Q. It's not Yi that's good its other players that are bad and for the Yi player to find that bad player.

if lux lands her q. Press w.

GaliöJun 6, 20183 votes

Then walk away. Fight over.

AR URFJun 6, 20185 votes

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Then walk away. Fight over.

It's not that easy man. yi can avoid a lot of tower damage by press q and w. Thing is, you're talking about bad yi players who q in before lux or any champion lands their cc. Good yi players q to avoid such cc. And yi's kit is very simple. But anyway it's not the q or w that's the problem. It's the true damage.

TipulJun 7, 20182 votes

I couldn't have said that better

NyarlathοtepJun 6, 20181 votes

A tiny bit irrelevant but, why the fk champion gg shows 51.24% wr, while league of graphs 46.2%? Or rather what makes a site reliable?

Slice n Dice emJun 6, 20182 votes

Different site's have different parameters. The guy which posted the link was from only DIAMOND elo. What you saw at champion gg was Plat, so may be he is winning alot in plat but losing more in diamond+.

Meanwhile his WR is 49.9% with a PR of 9.8% on op.gg which takes all ranks into account from bronze to challenger. Meaning even if we include shit elo like bronze, his total WR doesn't exceed 50%. So with all that information into account he is currently quite balanced, OP just lost to jungle Yi, while playing a jungle Quinn game in a normal mode and started his QQ here..

NyarlathοtepJun 6, 20181 votes

Well champion gg is plat+. But even then they dont match. If you put in lol graph plat + it shows 48% wr.

Actually to be fair a yi is a big pain in the ass. Especially if he gets a decent lead. His synergy with the rageblade is insane.

Slice n Dice emJun 6, 20183 votes

Well champion gg is plat+. But even then they dont match. If you put in lol graph plat + it shows 48% wr.

that may be due to update's some site's update more frequently then others. That is why its is better to view from a site which shows the data from that particular patch 8.11 in our case. op.gg and lolaytics are reliable in my opinion

Actually to be fair a yi is a big pain in the ass. Especially if he gets a decent lead. His synergy with the rageblade is insane.

he doesnt get ahead if you counter pick him. Have played a Yi- Udyr match up? even a silver udyr can fk a diamond Yi player with him. And Yi has so many counters, not only jungle counters but global counters. Singed fks him from the top, Lissandra, zilean , ekko, fk him through mid because he cant get a reset because of stop watch, ults, hour glass, Udyr, jax, shaco, etc fk him directly through jungle. Any good botlane fks him directly. Can yi 1v2 a cait alistar lane? nopes you kite him when he q's alistar pulverize into a cait trap and he is dead, eh cant meditate while cc'ed. Janna can literally denying him using, ult, lulu can poly-morph him if he wanted to engage, Do you know the duration of lulu polymorphs? its 2.25 when maxed. and it's a point and click cc, you don't even have an excuse of missing skillshot. Well he buys mercs+ runes its still 1.125 seconds, he easily dies in that time. Well what if he builds qss, let him q onto you then you you uses lulu ult. well what if he builds tanky, he doesn't kill fast and he dies if he gets cced.

Yi, literally has so many issues. if he gets ahead, it's 100% on you for not knowing how does Yi work. Just a tip, if you don't want yi to be a pain, you should know where he is, especially when you are looking for a team fight. If he doesn't get a reset from his ult, he is uselss without ult in a team fight scenario. And he is not shaco or invisible champ where it is hard for you to track him. You can see him coming from a mile, save atleast 1 cc for him and if he has qss save two. Just that and he is more useless than any-other champ in the game.

NyarlathοtepJun 6, 2018

that may be due to update's some site's update more frequently then others. That is why its is better to view from a site which shows the data from that particular patch 8.11 in our case. op.gg and lolaytics are reliable in my opinion

But champion gg is on 8.11*[sg-lux-2]*

he doesnt get ahead if you counter pick him Well there are times when he is last pick. Also i cant really counterpick him when im adc or mid. Hell i m not be playing his counters. As a result i might have an edge over him, but on the rest of the game im playing below average since i dont play that said champ. Also i dont get to choose my teams picks (unless we are pre).

Also i can be playing safe against him and whatnot. But my team might not.

Slice n Dice emJun 6, 20182 votes

But champion gg is on 8.11

As I said, some sites update daily/hourly and some don't. Those two site's which I mentioned are updated regularly....

Also i can be playing safe against him and whatnot. But my team might not.

Then, you need to climb to get into an elo where they do. You are not getting a Yi, 100% every game, if you know about Yi, then you probably don't know about some other champion or other things. That's how things are game is and should be balanced around high elo, so that people in the lower tiers get better and climb.

If a champion is having low winrate with a decent pick rate in high ranks, it obviously means champion is weak. If that particular champion is shitting on low ranks, all it means is that low rank players need to learn and get good. It's definitely not the fault of a champion but the players.

NyarlathοtepJun 6, 2018

As I said

I need to put points to observation asap.

Then, you need to climb to get into an elo where they do.

Thats rather questionable. While i do have (for now at least) an ambition to reach high plat, i dont think i will be able to do so. Or at least with my champ pool.

That's how things are game is and should be balanced around high elo,

Its not that good of an idea to balance around high elo unfortunately. The majority of the players is in low elo for many different reasons, like no time to reach to get better, busy playing deathmatch or being literally bad players. So balancing around levels that most wont reach, is going to just repel a good chunk of the playerbase. Now whether this is good or bad is a thread for another time.

BestPudgeNAJun 7, 20181 votes

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Different site's have different parameters. The guy which posted the link was from only DIAMOND elo. What you saw at champion gg was Plat, so may be he is winning alot in plat but losing more in diamond+.

Meanwhile his WR is 49.9% with a PR of 9.8% on op.gg which takes all ranks into account from bronze to challenger.

OP.GG is plat+ KR only.

Slice n Dice emJun 7, 20182 votes

well i stand corrected, but it doesn't change anything. lewl a 49.9% plat + KR champ considered OP. Just tells how bad people on boards really are... finding ways to market a balanced champion as OP.

BestPudgeNAJun 7, 20181 votes

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well i stand corrected, but it doesn't change anything. lewl a 49.9% plat + KR champ considered OP. Just tells how bad people on boards really are... finding ways to market a balanced champion as OP.

He has a 32.5% ban rate also. Generally i would looks at presence(pick+Ban) over win rates. Currently he is 3rd behind Xin and Graves in that elo. His WR pick and bans are also higher in the lower ELO.

Also in KR currently Yi is played duo with Taric as a mid laner that shares CS with YI . Taric Mid currently has 56% win rate in Plat+KR because of this http://na.op.gg/champion/taric/statistics/mid

Here is a sample video of that strat featuring LCK pros in a master/challenger tier game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVY2ZGUabJ4

Slice n Dice emJun 7, 20182 votes

Ok so we are moving away from pick rate and winrates on to ban rate.** Ok, still xin and graves have higher ban rate then him while having higher pickrate and higher winrate then him.** So what's the excuse of no posts against them, its just bronze silver trash excuse of being bad and not knowing how to counter Yi.

The game is and should not be balanced around low elo. That is the main point, if you make it balanced for him(a simple champion) to have a 50% WR in bronze then he will probably have a 40% WR in diamond+. That is like literally destroying a champion and its player base. If lee is suppose to be balanced for bronze and have 50%+ WR there then he would be broken in Diamond +. Thats the whole fkin point. People need to get better at the game, the game shouldn't be spoon fed.

What you posted is a funnel strategy, 1 player is literally sinking all of his resources into another player. Even with playing with a premade, that taric has 56% winrate, that is suppose to happen when you play in a coordinated way.

It's a strategy it has certain weaknesses and certain strengths. If it did't had any weaknesses it would have been picked way more, even in LCS. Now don't give me that one particular game out of 1000's where a Yi/Taric is picked. Here is dopa's chinese account find me the games where he is constantly banning Yi/taric or he is having Yi/taric in his games like the silver/bronze reddit circle jerk claimed.

Here is another example, 1 person gets way too behind in levels in a funnel strategy. If you 2v2 you always win because you are always ahead in exp. Also 1 team doesn't get a jungler. So many ways to counter play, just have to know about what is actual happening.

AR URFJun 6, 20182 votes

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A tiny bit irrelevant but, why the fk champion gg shows 51.24% wr, while league of graphs 46.2%? Or rather what makes a site reliable?

I don't know, but it's really dumb how everyone is willing to accept the lowest number to fit their points of view.

SharukenJun 7, 20181 votes

He definitely will be changed because he is one of those "popular"champs

Mokiller5Jun 10, 20181 votes

Ok two things.

Yi was and is designed as a beginner class assassin (easy to pickup, difficult to master). He was never meant to be a dps bruiser. if you don't believe me go to roles in your champion collection and select assassin, you will see yi. He was the OG dunkmaster before yasuo
His damage.... That's all he does tho, take it away and what else can he do? He brings ABSOLUTLY NOTHING to a team comp in a videogame designed for teamplay. He brings no CC, no utility, no stuns, no shields, no team heals, no poke, no tankyness, no durability, no siege potential, NONE OF THAT! So it would make sense that he would be good at the ONE and ONLY thing he was made for.... DAMAGE.

Id say keep him as is, just look at the items and runes that are the main culprit in making him "op"