While we're on the topic of Stopwatch being broken...

Kairoptra·Jan 28, 2018·1 votes·617 views

...can the number one suggestion for fixing the problem not be removing it entirely? For many of League's past problems, it has not been necessarily the existence of something, but rather that it didn't exist in the right way. This is why we have GUs and VGUs; they don't want to entirely scrap a champ, but the way they are isn't measuring up. To solve this problem, they take what is working and tack it onto something that hopefully will work in the place of what's getting removed. I feel like it should be the same way with stopwatch. Its existence should not be the first thing we are looking at as the potential problem; removal from the game should be considered a last resort. Now, I don't know how they should fix it, but I am most certainly not going to go around saying it is the only option when I haven't taken the time to try and come up with another possibility.

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Dead flag bluesJan 28, 20182 votes

As someone else said it item 3191 replace this trash item by adding the stopwatch passive (still one use tho), and remove stopwatch, simple as that. I don't know why should ad champ have the privilege to get an equivalent of an AP-only item while they are allowed to have item 3155 item 3156 (and item 3139 because item 3140 is basically trash even if indeed you can still buy it)

KairoptraJan 28, 20181 votes

You see? This is what I'm talking about: considering other options instead of just immediately calling for things to go back to the way they were. Good on whoever came up with that idea for at the very least coming up with a different idea (I have no idea whether that would work or not, so I'm not going to pretend like I do :P).

TèrminusJan 29, 20182 votes

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You see? This is what I'm talking about: considering other options instead of just immediately calling for things to go back to the way they were. Good on whoever came up with that idea for at the very least coming up with a different idea (I have no idea whether that would work or not, so I'm not going to pretend like I do :P).

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/zBZtqH8r-rework-seekers-armguard-with-stopwatchs-functionality-and-delete-stopwatch-entirely

It solves two problems at once, both League of Stopwatch and the fact that Seeker's is terribly underwhelming compared to Hexdrinker.

RexxieeJan 28, 20182 votes

Removing it is the best solution to the problem in this case.

If you want to pay 600 for the shop version of it that also can only be used once, sure go ahead.

Getting it for free in any shape or form is always going to be broken, the active is just too powerful, theres a reason it has been locked behind a full item like hourglass which has been nerfed multiple times over years.

KairoptraJan 28, 20182 votes

Let me ask you something: did you actually sit down and try to think of another solution for more than two seconds and _then _ come to this conclusion, or was it the first solution that presented itself and you went with it?

RexxieeJan 29, 20181 votes

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Let me ask you something: did you actually sit down and try to think of another solution for more than two seconds and _then _ come to this conclusion, or was it the first solution that presented itself and you went with it?

Yes and i have explained the reason in my post, maybe you didnt read it correctly?

Hourglass active is the strongest active in the game, thats why any version of it being given for free is not going to be balance-able.

KairoptraJan 29, 20182 votes

You explained why it needed fixing, not why removal is the only option. You are not going into why that's the only option/why other options aren't going to work.

Also, it's a decent bit more than just "getting it for free". There's also the fact that you can't use it for the first few minutes, it reduces the cooldown of the items it builds into, and its value is halved, i. e. the combine costs of Zhonya's, GA, and Stoneplate are 300g more than if you had bought the stopwatch. Tweeking any of these numbers (not to mention its normal cost, how long the stasis lasts, any of the numbers that go into its upgrades, etc.) could be possible solutions. However, I have neither the knowhow to determine which, if any of these, should be adjusted, nor to what degree. However, the options are undeniably there, and unless you've considered them all, you are in no place to call for removal.

Probs feedingJan 29, 20181 votes

I'd like to keep perfect timing as a niche pick for people who plan on building item 3193 item 3026 item 3157 . Stopwatch needs to be addressed but I really hope they find a way to preserve my first statement.