Why does Riot so heavily favor AD bruisers and tanks?

fuffychan·Jul 21, 2017·1 votes·800 views

They are all unkillable, have extreme mobility, damage, items like made only for them like wtf

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VentiraJul 21, 20173 votes

nasus has extreme mobility wat?

AmetDeCryptJul 21, 20172 votes

yea dunno about the tanks bit, but the ad bruisers and melee carries are definitely overtuned

I get they kind of have to be in order to not get kited into oblivion but I'd really rather they get better smarter ways to engage so they can fight toe to toe and not need 3-4x the damage they should have in order to be viable.

VentiraJul 21, 20171 votes

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yea dunno about the tanks bit, but the ad bruisers and melee carries are definitely overtuned

I get they kind of have to be in order to not get kited into oblivion but I'd really rather they get better smarter ways to engage so they can fight toe to toe and not need 3-4x the damage they should have in order to be viable.

Alas, this is what happens when you keep giving people like Leblanc and Zed ultra mobility....

Big LincolnJul 21, 20172 votes

some of us are specifically designed to not be able to engage though

AmetDeCryptJul 21, 20171 votes

but they all have dashes. what do they do if not engage with their dashes?

Big LincolnJul 21, 20172 votes

not all bruisers have dashes tho

AmetDeCryptJul 21, 20171 votes

can't think of one off the top of my head that doesn't.

Big LincolnJul 21, 20172 votes

Olaf Darius Garen Illaoi Nasus DrMundo for starters

AmetDeCryptJul 21, 20171 votes

those aren't bruisers. olaf is barely a bruiser, if at all. they're tanks, subclass fighters and juggernauts.

Big LincolnJul 21, 20171 votes

what do you think a bruiser is, exactly

BigBellBruteJul 21, 20172 votes

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what do you think a bruiser is, exactly

A tank with style!!!! :)

JoxcabJul 21, 20171 votes

Completely wrong.

fuffychanJul 21, 20172 votes

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what do you think a bruiser is, exactly

TEA Nietzsche Jul 21, 20174 votes

Yea you couldn't be any more wrong. Bruisers = fighter.

All of the champion that Big Lincoln named are in fact bruisers and none of them are tanks. If you want to know about correct class and subclass terminolgy look here.

BigBellBruteJul 21, 20172 votes

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Yea you couldn't be any more wrong. Bruisers = fighter.

All of the champion that Big Lincoln named are in fact bruisers and none of them are tanks. If you want to know about correct class and subclass terminolgy look here.

The link you provided does not have bruisers as a category. If you are going to call someone out and reference a source, get that source's terminology correctly. They are listed as juggernauts. By the way any one of those champs He listed can very easily go full tank if need be.

TEA Nietzsche Jul 21, 20171 votes

The link you provided does not have bruisers as a category.

Yes it does. You can search a page with "Strg+F" for "Bruiser". Without the "". In case you are unable to do this here goes:

"Bruiser: A champion with high effective health and damage per second. See fighter." (use strg+f to find this entry)

"Fighter: A hybrid champion between tanking and DPS that combines the survivability of a tank and the damage of a DPS or a caster. They were formerly called Bruisers."

That means that Riot is not going to list Bruisers because that term does not exist anymore, instead they use "fighter" but "fighter" and "bruiser" mean the same exact thing. None of these champions have enough CC/utility to qualify as either a Warden or Vanguard, therefore they cannot be tanks.

AmetDeCryptJul 21, 20171 votes

bruisers are champions like Camille Irelia Hecarim JarvanIV LeeSin XinZhao MonkeyKing that have good single target dps, tank, and disruption. they are meant as engagers and all of them have dashes and some form of self defenses to survive while their team follows up. they CAN go tank builds and be useful but their cc is minimal and their base damages are usually average with good bonus scalings, so they need to go at least one or two damage items in order to be useful even if one of those is a sterak's.

that's a bruiser. another subclass of figher on the less tanky scale than juggernauts

if you mean figher, say fighter, and don't berate me for properly using terminology when you're thinking of something else. (not you btw al I'm referring to lincoln but also you if you wanted reference on my position)

RalanrJul 21, 20171 votes

So basically Divers.

AmetDeCryptJul 21, 20171 votes

more accurately, yes more widely called, no.

RalanrJul 21, 20171 votes

By widely called do you mean by the community?

TEA Nietzsche Jul 21, 20172 votes

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[...] that's a bruiser. another subclass of figher on the less tanky scale than juggernauts

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if you mean figher, say fighter, and don't berate me for properly using terminology when you're thinking of something else. (not you btw al I'm referring to lincoln but also you if you wanted reference on my position)

Again, here is the full list of classes and subclasses: http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/gameplay/taking-another-look-subclasses

And here is the previous list that is now outdated: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/gameplay/dev-blog-classes-subclasses

Neither of the lists use the word "bruiser" which indicates that the word is outdated. I have cited the reputable lolwiki that clearly says that "fighter" and "bruiser" share essentially the same definition with bruiser simply being the outdated term for fighter although it is still occassionally used. Source: http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/League_of_Legends_terminology#Fighter

I see that you disagree but from my point of view you simply made that definition up on your own - and I don't think that you have the authority to do so.

Your definition fits the "Divers" - which is a "Fighter" (aka "Bruiser") subclass. I have provided sources for everything I said so I invite you to do the same.

AmetDeCryptJul 21, 20171 votes

ah a riot fanboy I don't think I'm being arrogant in calling it what everyone in the community knows them as even though riot desperately tries to change the lingo. they're still called adc as well you know. and I don't need sources, it's what it's always been called.

TEA Nietzsche Jul 21, 20171 votes

[Citation needed]

The community called it Bruiser, nowadays it's Fighter because Riot renamed it. The definition has always been the same: high damage + high HP. Everything else you said does not apply for every bruiser and never has.

See those threads: http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=682257 https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/954437-league-of-legends/65613552 https://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/58226/what-defines-a-bruiser https://www.reddit.com/r/summonerschool/comments/nwivh/definition_of_bruiser http://lol.mmosite.com/news/2013-06-24/league_of_legends_basic_terminology_for_beginners.shtml

Everyone talks about damage and tankiness but nobody talks about them having dashes. You are not the community.

fuffychanJul 21, 20171 votes

Galio Sejuani Zac Maokai

tanks with extreme mobility

AmetDeCryptJul 21, 20172 votes

extreme is one way to put it. they all have a dash of relative size to them, not the biggest ever (zac excluded o'course) but I see what you're talking about.

however GA wasn't really made for them and neither was thornmail, they want to get in, dump some cc, and hope to last long enough to get out again. thornmail was more meant for the main tank like malphite who likes take it with a sunfire cape and/or randuin's to sit on the carry and keep them down so they can't hit the rest of the team.

JoxcabJul 21, 20172 votes

You spelled ranged bot-lane ADCs wrong.

RalanrJul 21, 20172 votes

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They are all unkillable, have extreme mobility, damage, items like made only for them like wtf

item 3026 ?

Fuffy that was made into an AD armor item for ADCs mainly. Divers and assassins can just utilize it because AD champions in general like heavy AD items.

ModWulf HelhammerJul 21, 20171 votes

Why does Riot so heavily favor AP mages and bruisers?

They are all unkillable, have extreme mobility, damage, items like (insert every AP item except Athene's here) made only for them like wtf

See how that doesn't work?

Phyuq YiuJul 21, 20171 votes

I feel that the most favored role is assassins. As long as there are millions of assassins in bronze and silver that complain when they cant mindlessly oneshot everything RIOT will keep making them easier and easier.

I see you play Shaco, he is fun but not well represented enough to be OP often. If you want an easier time may I suggest Talon, Fizz and Kha'Zix.

JoxcabJul 21, 20172 votes

You realize it's literally the complete opposite, right?

Most of the assassins in the game are currently shit-tier and are continuing to stay as such because Riot panders to ADCs and has done so for most of the entire history of League.

BigBellBruteJul 21, 20171 votes

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I feel that the most favored role is assassins. As long as there are millions of assassins in bronze and silver that complain when they cant mindlessly oneshot everything RIOT will keep making them easier and easier.

I see you play Shaco, he is fun but not well represented enough to be OP often. If you want an easier time may I suggest Talon, Fizz and Kha'Zix.

What? The whole rework made assassins less able to assassinate people. The only assassin with win rates that really need to be looked at for a nerf right now is Talon. The rest are either ok or need a buff.