lissandra has 96% p/b in lcs with good laning complemented with insane lategame utility + damage

ForgiveColour·Feb 23, 2015·1 votes·1,182 views

better pretend she is balanced because she is "squishy" with a self zhonya and another zhonya and complain about zed

16 Comments

CindikleFeb 23, 20154 votes

She's in a good spot because a lot of the mana using mid lanners are still in a bad spot.

There's a reason she didn't get the same mp/5 and mp/5 growth as everyone else.

IMO it's an example of what Riot needs to do with the other champions. Give mana refunds build into kits in unique ways. This way each champion can be balanced around their mana needs.

Karthus/Swain were hardly touched by the mana changes. But they're still on the weaker end for other reasons.

Xerath has mana sustain and is often considered overpowered.

She's strong in the LCS because she is a safe AP user in the mid lane. She's honestly always been a strong champion. But she was weak in the S4 siege meta as her CD's are harsh to have to use to CS/waveclear.

ForgiveColourFeb 23, 20152 votes

if your good spot means pretty much 100% p/b in competitive and if that seems balanced to you then i guess you dont even play this game

CindikleFeb 23, 20152 votes

Good spot as in her kit works and isn't heavily restricted by mana costs(even though her costs are high).

She is a very well deigned champion. And a good example for Riot to follow for other champions who are struggling to make things work with the mana changes.

She has two big weaknesses.

She has to get in close range to be of the most range in a teamfight. She has her ult to help her with this, but that doesn't stop someone from landing the perfect CC as soon as she pops in and blowing her up.
She has short ranges on her abilities. Overall relying on her Q to do any worthwhile poke. Her E is delayed and risky to use for anything but the mobility because of the CD.

Xerath is currently only the strong mid lanner who can face her and come ahead or equal. But she has enough mobility and CC to lock him down and kill him anyway. One good gank from the jungler and she wins. Has enough lock down to ensure the kill.

killd0zerFeb 24, 20151 votes

She is a very well deigned champion.

She's decent, but kinda generic.

Volt CruelerzFeb 23, 20152 votes

I think it's more useful to see how she came to be this way rather than just nerfing her outright.

killd0zerFeb 24, 20151 votes

Because she's stronger than the other picks?

doublelift fgFeb 23, 20152 votes

better nerf kassadin

Nausicäa Feb 23, 20152 votes

I wouldnt call her late game damage 'insane'.

She actually falls off a fair bit late game, shes strongest mid game.

kureransuFeb 23, 20151 votes

Liss has only been nerfed since her release. She's been played top before. Now since the pros are winning with her she's become too powerful...

She's fine as is.

She was always this way. The issue is that most top laners are melee and DPS. With her Q she's can harass as long as she can keep mana. If you're in the middle of the minion wave, you are almost always guaranteed to get hit by it.

ForgiveColourFeb 24, 20152 votes

more proof to board's ap bias

Water BreathingFeb 23, 20151 votes

I think it's more due to the fact that a lot of other mages have difficulty with the mana regen changes, but Lissandra doesn't have it nearly as bad due to her passive.

Also she does pretty well against all the assassins that have replaced mages in mid lane because of said nerfs

She also has Targeted Hard CC in her ult ( and her W, although its not hard CC it is PBAOE ) for mobility (i.e kalista)

So I guess she fits the meta well?

kureransuFeb 23, 20151 votes

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I think it's more due to the fact that a lot of other mages have difficulty with the mana regen changes, but Lissandra doesn't have it nearly as bad due to her passive.

Also she does pretty well against all the assassins that have replaced mages in mid lane because of said nerfs

She also has Targeted Hard CC in her ult ( and her W, although its not hard CC it is PBAOE ) for mobility (i.e kalista)

So I guess she fits the meta well?

I would a agree here. I think she's in a pretty good place. you still have to choose between wave clear and engaging with your spells, you pretty much only have mana to do one or the other.

SmokingPuffinFeb 23, 20151 votes

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I think it's more due to the fact that a lot of other mages have difficulty with the mana regen changes, but Lissandra doesn't have it nearly as bad due to her passive.