"Viktor would need buffs if rylais gets nerfed" -mage mains

You could say that just to about anybody who's been abusing rylais since it's changes, there's probably only like 2 or 3 champs that actually pretty much need rylais to work well

i think that would be anyone with DOT (brand, malz, etc)

I think the fact that she cant have boots is discriminating, so she should at least have a 80% slow to make it fair.

W is nowhere near reliable enough to land to even consider that good "cc". It's only good in a chaotic fight or for zone control.

Here's what i think about W fact;

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But if you wait on the E for the "kill time of some champions" (1 second) and then simply move away without getting damaged, that means something is wrong.

I'm not saying that it should be 100% but it should be 100% who just stands still or move stupidly because thats what E's second supposed to do.

People doesn't just not use W because they don't need to,

#It has a 0.25 seconds cast time (Edit plus activation time + doesn't work when you die)

Its actually slowing down viktor's combo. Thats why. Plus people can walk over it if you don't slow them.

Yeah im myself was and still viktor main since season 3 (where he was considered trash). You can call me "oh you are viktor main so its normal that you complain" but most people probably will agree that W has a nerf passive hidden inside so people won't use it outside tf or without rylai.

#And yes he is pretty strong than he was in season 3 and pre rework mymu, but he has a lot of delays which reduces his enjoyment and increases reliant on CC's (which are also delayed)

I'm... not suppose to land a skill shot? That seems like poor design to me. Why should I not be able to land both parts of my skill shots because opponents can dodge? I also take into the fact that people have dashes and try to side step skills, so why should I not be rewarded for using my skills better than someone able to dodge?

I think you're just as equally suppose to land your skill shots for correct placement as someone should be able to side step them for proper predictions. Not because the skill is wonky you miss it. That's far from the concept of counter play and more on the side of bad design.

No, they're all strong. some are just more popular than others. See and before worlds, almost nobody played them. Wasn't also nerfed a little bit, then never buffed and then considered trash because of it and that's why she was never played?

Take a look at midlane Diana, she's barely played there. But can any Diana mains out there tell me her weakness? She's has the perfect kit to 100-0 a squishy and her shield helps her survive in lane. Basically a long range that bursts you down faster I guess.

If Vel'koz becomes popular for some reason, all of a sudden he's going to become "OP" because of his high true damage, which has always been there.

his laser is quite easy to hit (consistent viktor player btw) but the implosion is damn near impossible without rylais

oh and for the ppl that say he has a repositioning stun that guarntees a combo if u stand in that thing long enough to get stunned, ur the dumb one

the changes were nice cuz it made him more dmg over time and teamfight oriented, the problem was how over buffed rylais was, but now its getting over gutted, they just need to make it have a 25-30 percent slow and 75-90 ap imo, cuz that would solve a lot of the problems with ryalis just providing everyithing