Riven is actually a good example of one of the glaring problems with the "Fighter" class in LoL

Salt Miner 49 Er··5 votes·1,046 views

It's not even about her mobility or her abilities that makes Riven problematic. It's the fact that unlike Fighters who typically have to build a wide array of stats to remain viable in a game such as XinZhaoDarius Garen Irelia Gangplank Poppy (The last two at least require some core items before even being relevant), she only relies on one statistic to remain a threat.

Attack Damage.

Everything Riven has scales off of her Attack Damage stat, to include her shield from her E. She gets survivability for building offensively. She gets more damage on all of her abilities because of only having to really pump into one statistic as a vast majority rather than having to buff her armor and MR to obscene levels outside of item 3026 or the occasional item 3155 . She doesn't have the same level of item dependancy as other fighters, and for lack of a better example outside of the God of Right Clicks and RNG himself Tryndamere she basically represents everything a fighter should be. Somebody who can get into the brawl and stick into it while not melting as immediately as an Assassin or Marksman caught in the crossfire. Part of the reason why melee carries and beefy fighters like Spirit Breaker and Chaos Knight work in Dota (as an example, of course) is because they don't have to build the same wide array of stats that every Fighter has to deal with in League.

That and Riven's resourceless, but that's an entirely different can of worms.

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Stacona4 votes

Riven is a good example of blaringly overpower and still does not get nerfed--- extreme mobility, CC, damage, tankiness, safety, etc etc riven screams overpowered and toxic

Toru Itai2 votes

so you're saying fighters should all build out of just one stat(an offensive one[specifically AD])?

Salt Miner 49 Er2 votes

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so you're saying fighters should all build out of just one stat(an offensive one[specifically AD])?

I'm saying that Fighters shouldn't have to be forced to build an entire array of items to be relevant in a game match when Assassins and Marksmen both focus primarily on one stat in order to stay a threat.

Toru Itai1 votes

sounds good to me, they just need their Ratios balanced to they're not super bursty and get a little bit of tankyness out of it.

Wînter Fox2 votes

Riven is part Assassin though. She got the 'AD only' gene from that side of the family.

IcyPepper1 votes

At least Vi 's shield scales off health, so she has options to build differently.

BluePolarizer1 votes

Riven's not even close to being the best fighter though. If she was, why isn't she played by pros?

Real reason: she falls off late game compared to autoattackers like Jax XinZhao MasterYi IreliaPoppy Tryndamere while having no sustain to farm up for late game. If her opponent doesn't feed her and allow her to snowball, she'll fall off.

Leti the Yeti2 votes

I think most riven's i see go for the hydra.. theres the sustain

and she snowballs off of 1 kill dude, anything after that is not a matter of choice.. but for the taking ;l

BluePolarizer1 votes

You don't get hydra at lvl 1.

In top lane, you don't win by playing defensively against Riven. You win by fking her up at lvl. 1 with ranged cancer like Quinn Gnar Lissandra Swain NidaleeRyze , with melees with bully potential that don't fall off late game like Irelia MalphiteTryndamere or straight up lane bullies that do it better Pantheon Darius Garen .

Leti the Yeti2 votes

i think that aggression toward riven is a gamble i dont wanna make her passive+Q does some dumbass damage and im probably gonna lose the trade... the stun and knock up only mitigates my damage output further so thats a real bitch

if i dont sustain back quick enough, im certain to die in the next trade

BluePolarizer1 votes

Riven has worse sustain than anyone, and against ranged cancer/lane bullies gets hit hard. If you want to win lane (not just survive) you have to go aggressive at level 1 with ranged cancer champs, Pantheon the honorary ranged cancer, or Darius/Garen. Not level 2. Not 3. She's scary at lvl 2 and 3. It absolutely has to be lvl 1. If you chunk her to half without losing half your HP, you've won lane. It is extremely easy with Quinn, Gnar and Ryze. I've done it myself, I've seen it done.

Leti the Yeti1 votes

range cancer shouldnt really be a factor...we dont have a cure for cancer yet

her damage at lvl1 is still higher than yours, typically you MUST avoid it... usually using champ who can deal damage while receiving little retaliation back is the only way to go meaning Riven is so absurdly strong that no one can actually face her directly, that really makes me feel better about Riven - _-

Joe Dredd1 votes

I'd rather have the freelo called Irelia than Riven.

DropFill1 votes

Riven snowball off a single kill. The reason because pro's don't play her, it is because they would camp her, which is kind of easy if she is going agressive. If she doesn't go agressive, she loses because of poor health regen. But some champions can't poke her because of her stupid resourceless shield

Only Play Darius1 votes

Way I see it, Riven is one of the few fighters in the game that doesn't build any tank items but can get in the middle of the fight and not get instantly vaporized.

TheI3igDaddy1 votes

Riven's a good example of retarded champion design that never should've been released. And it's quite a shame now, with the fanbase she's gotten, how hard it may be to persuade Riot to rework her.

She either feeds and is useless, or gets fed and becomes a raid boss before lategame even starts.

GloriousKaiser1 votes

But isn't that what a fighter fundamentally does? The only class that builds both defense and offense as a core strategic aspect of champion play?

Mages build AP and Pen as main stats. They opt for utility items that boost their effective skills. Marksmen build AD/AttackSpeed/Crit to fufill their purpose as high sustained dps. They build Lifesteal and defensive actives to mitigate their weak defense. Supports build full on utility and bolster themselves with mostly defensive utility items sometimes buying AP to boost their shields and heals.

You get the point, each class has specific build paths to optimize for because it's what ultimately helps them win the game.

Riven only having to build AD as a main stat is a massive strength offset by a single damage type (but lol item 3071 item 3035) can snowball off this advantage.

This much you already know.

Champions like Garen on top of AD Armor, Health, and MR, now have to opt for even more stats. MS, Crit, Health Regen(?). All these stats he has to itemize for, but he's got a budget of 6 slots, one already taken for boots so 5. Sure he's got the AR/MR booster on Courage but been nerfed to accomodate bonus armor so he ain't getting tanky if he tries to rush item 3071 item 3031 .

Why? Because that's how he is. He's too slow to keep up with most top champions, and 1 cc usually blows the Q buff. The Crit is for added damage on E which also needs armor pen but he also needs a ton of AD to boost the thing in the first place because it's a like a burst/DPS skill.

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