[{quoted}](name=Binxy Prime,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jaQ0GiN4,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2015-08-04T04:46:36.383+0000)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrNNKwMhukI - skip to ~2:45 he does 2 q's then a third one and the cd appears and it says 10s
Riven does work that way.
Vayne is strong but she already gets no pro play and her win rate is still ~50% in soloq, if she didnt have the flat damage she couldn't duel squishy targets or assassins, which would be great but then she would need to be even better vs tanks and they would need to buff her somewhere in her kit.
If tibbers was changed in that way Annie would just use W to stun then ult, she would do slightly less damage because the bear wouldnt immolate as long before people got away from it but it would not be much different, annie would also probably die slightly more after initiating since she would in general be closer to the front line since w has less range than ult but it wouldnt make a HUGE difference. It would be a nerf, arguably one she doesnt need but whatever I don't play her and I don't see her in my elo so it wouldn't effect me in any way.
It's like people think Vayne's don't get one second of invisibility every five seconds and enhanced auto damage with just ult and Q. She's also gets bonus AD on top of being an adc who builds dps. Tbh, she shouldn't even be able to duel assassins so easily but she does because she can just ult tumble and condemn them into a wall and melt them.
And for the annie problem, it is a nerf. It's to reduce how reliable her kit is. I mean, I don't have much problems, but people like to bitch. Hell, I don't even have that much problem with vayne, except the fact that trying to 1v1 her almost never works because of how quick she is if you're an apc, and the fact that she's invisible so you can't target her as an assassin/adc