PSA: Consider your team comp before you pick your champion

The Deckowner·Jul 1, 2016·18 votes·5,286 views

Title.

I have loss so many games basically started from the draft because people have no idea how team comp works.

Full ad/ap comp doesn't work people.

Here are some simple rules that guides you if your champion pick is good for your comp:

If you are mid, don't pick when your team have no ap dmg, just don't.
If you are top/jg/support, and your team have no cc/peel, pick a tank or utility support.
If enemy have a lot of tanky champ, pick an adc who can kill tanks easily like . DON'T PLAY .
If enemy have hard engage, pick an adc who can peel for themselves, like , don't pick .
Play whatever your team needs if you are jungle, if you don't then you aren't really for the role.

30 Comments

Sakura MirageJul 2, 20165 votes

What if you are a one trick pony????? Ya in still going to pick that shit because if I pick a different champ I will feed my ass off.

The DeckownerJul 2, 20161 votes

well if you are one trick pony you don't ever play anything else so ignore it.

Worst MorganaJul 2, 20161 votes

Thats fair I guess.

5000000000000000Jul 2, 20163 votes

If you're a one trick pony, you should be able to play around your champion's weaknesses.

I Need PeelingJul 2, 20161 votes

I feel like there's really no such thing. I feel like it's something people say to get out of playing what's needed. I play adc and lots of adcs feel the same. If you can play one mage/adc/tank well you can normally play that style of champ decent on most champs.

DeathBurstJul 4, 20161 votes

I'm sorry, but look at my profile. I only play Garen Top, Sion Jungle. When Garen is banned, I play Sion top. Hopefully for me, Sion was never banned. I guess I would pick Amumu or Vi? But I wouldn't expect to win this game...

Khell DarkWolfJul 2, 20163 votes

I do agree on the sentiment that you really need to pick what your team needs (like mid already picked Yasuo and the jungler went nidalee and we have a soraka support in which we have no tank so Top SHOULD play a tank to help out).

But on the other hand, the unfortunate truth is with the new champion select and role select, some players (myself included) have already conformed to playing certain champions for specific roles.

Mind you, I play tanky like fighters but I don't play AP Tops and I really don't Mid or play assassins.

Champion select has incentivized players playing only certain roles and also as fallout _only certain champions _.

If this was the old system, I'd probably still be trying to keep on top of on a variety champions and roles but I discarded that ideal a long time ago when reworks, season 6 mastery change transition, item changes/removals, and the flow of the game changes kicked me to the curb on my old mains.

I just accepted that I know what I'm good at and from long terms of practice, and there are some things I just don't do well period, so I compensate it in someway similar to how some Handicap people bypass a flaw to turn it into a strength.

The DeckownerJul 2, 20161 votes

I honestly think adc mid would end up better than ad assassin mid.

VvVVvVJul 2, 20163 votes

Team comp? What is that?

We have Dynamic Que

Everybody is just playing their main champ, they know who they are going to use before they even get into the que.

And when they get their Secondary Role.....they still use their main champ.

League of Draven? More like League of 1 tricks.....because thats all thats going to happen with DQ system around.

DQ system does not support diversity role playing or knowledge.

Pierce The VealJul 3, 20161 votes

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Team comp? What is that?

We have Dynamic Que

Everybody is just playing their main champ, they know who they are going to use before they even get into the que.

And when they get their Secondary Role.....they still use their main champ.

League of Draven? More like League of 1 tricks.....because thats all thats going to happen with DQ system around.

DQ system does not support diversity role playing or knowledge.

You're saying that as if solo queue wasn't ruled by one trick ponies in the first place...

VvVVvVJul 4, 20162 votes

Nope...not what im saying at all.

I know they existed....but not as many then as there are now and in the future to come.

I mean think about it. When you que up for ranked you have 2 roles to pick from. You are guaranteed one of your 2 roles.

new players coming onto the game only know this champ select.

So just add it up.

Only 2 roles to pick to que up.
Most new players will find that one champ they like and buy it with rp or lp.
Since they are getting their role most of the time they have no reason to buy other champs that often or to even learn a new role. Especially since they will be spending lp on runes and stuff.

Therefore more and more 1 tricks are created everyday just from the new players coming in.

back in the day with old champ select and no DQ.........you had no choice but to learn multiple champs and roles because you never knew what you would get when you get into champ select.

Pierce The VealJul 4, 20161 votes

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Nope...not what im saying at all.

I know they existed....but not as many then as there are now and in the future to come.

I mean think about it. When you que up for ranked you have 2 roles to pick from. You are guaranteed one of your 2 roles.

new players coming onto the game only know this champ select.

So just add it up.

Only 2 roles to pick to que up.

Most new players will find that one champ they like and buy it with rp or lp.

Since they are getting their role most of the time they have no reason to buy other champs that often or to even learn a new role. Especially since they will be spending lp on runes and stuff.

Therefore more and more 1 tricks are created everyday just from the new players coming in.

back in the day with old champ select and no DQ.........you had no choice but to learn multiple champs and roles because you never knew what you would get when you get into champ select.

Or you were like me (though I'm not a one trick) in that you just dodged if you got a champion you couldn't play.

Dodge until you get what you want. LP doesn't matter, mmr does. I still dodge quite often. It's a good way to rank up.

Pierce The VealJul 4, 20161 votes

{quoted}

Nope...not what im saying at all.

I know they existed....but not as many then as there are now and in the future to come.

I mean think about it. When you que up for ranked you have 2 roles to pick from. You are guaranteed one of your 2 roles.

new players coming onto the game only know this champ select.

So just add it up.

Only 2 roles to pick to que up.

Most new players will find that one champ they like and buy it with rp or lp.

Since they are getting their role most of the time they have no reason to buy other champs that often or to even learn a new role. Especially since they will be spending lp on runes and stuff.

Therefore more and more 1 tricks are created everyday just from the new players coming in.

back in the day with old champ select and no DQ.........you had no choice but to learn multiple champs and roles because you never knew what you would get when you get into champ select.

That's also why challenger was dominated by lee sins and such back then. Honestly, all this does is makes it easier for the average one trick, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. After all, I am not a one trick, but I am able to get the roles and champions I want way more often than back then. In fact, this is not Dynamic Queue, this is the new champion select.

Emerald FangJul 2, 20162 votes

It's called "I waited 20 minutes in queue, I'm not changing the champion I'm playing b/c of other people." Rito pls.

underscores222Jul 2, 20162 votes

I agree with the OP, and after reading the other comments I have a few thoughts.

If you do choose an all ad or ap team, get early pen. Adjust builds to include more pen. You know they're going to build more resist, so counter that early.

If you only play one champ, you need to expand your horizons some. Get at least a few champs for each role (or your top two roles) and get decent with them. I personally find it nice to change things up, and having a wider selection helps counter lane opponents and deal with bans. You don't have to be a god with all of them, but at least have a few reserve champs. It'll really help the team out. For example, when I top, I like to play Garen. But I have Rumble and Gangplank as backups, and I pull them out when Garen isn't going to cut it. I'm not the best gangplank, but I can play in lane well enough and help out with ults.

This doesn't mean that you need to pick someone you're unfamiliar with to help balance out your team. Don't feel like you need a mage and pick LB, even though you've never played her. You aren't going to do well. But take some time to try some of the free week champs and see if any of them are fun to play. Pick them up if they are.

As far as builds go, 9 times out of 10, if you build something straight tank, you can do just about whatever you want and still be helping. Just build HP and resists and muck around in team fights. You won't die quickly, which allows you to be a bit slower on combos/plays with a champ you aren't as good at. If the enemy team focuses you, you're soaking damage for your actual damage dealers. If they don't, you're in their face being disruptive.

Basically, no matter what you choose to do, you will need to react to your team's decisions. You really can't do the same thing in each game and expect great results. Be flexible, work together for the win. There are many options on how to do that.

DarkRitualJul 2, 20162 votes

Kindred jungle, tank support, and Zed mid? Perfect teamcomp for Riven!

Only Play DariusJul 2, 20161 votes

I'll pick what wins lane, not necessarily what the team needs. If I see a Quinn top, i'm picking an assassin top. If I see a Zed mid, i'm picking a juggernaut mid.

UpDownLeftRightABJul 2, 20161 votes

From my experience, it's when teams don't pick any form of tank where this becomes the biggest reason for a loss. A team with no frontline can't engage a straight up fight. That doesn't stop people from diving in 1v5, it's good practice for adc when it comes to self reliance and kiting. I think it mainly comes down to a lack of overall game sense. Or bad experiences with people playing tanks and not getting any follow up, but again, it comes down to game sense.

Reaper SorakaJul 2, 20161 votes

Well I feel what you're saying, I'm never going to pick a tank support just because we don't have a tank. I'm going to pick a champion I'm comfortable with because I know I will play better on it than I would when I'm guessing what I should try to do on a champion I don't understand.

If we get an entire team that doesn't know how to play a tank champion, then that's just too bad. Welcome to solo queue I guess.

The DeckownerJul 2, 20162 votes

rip solo queue

Spaceman5pffJul 2, 20161 votes

A good Yasuo on a full AD team will ALWAYS be better than a shitty Ziggs . Full stop. A good Riven on a team with no tanks will ALWAYS be better than an 0/3 Malphite . Full stop. A good Ezreal vs 3 tanks will always be better than a 1st time Vayne . Full stop.

SwaidJul 2, 20161 votes

Are you saying Chogath

I shouldn't pick DrMundo

my favorite champions Shen

because of team composition? Singed

That's just absurd. Sion

You tell me which one of these champions doesn't fit in a team? TahmKench

LatetotheRaceJul 3, 20163 votes

DrMundo lacks meaningful play and potential outside of an annoying supertank. TahmKench is still just garbage.

SwaidJul 3, 20161 votes

While I don't agree with your views on Mundo completely, I'll make my case for him. I generally pick Mundo because he's a safe pick when I'm first or second pick; if I pick my normal main, like Singed, I could be countered by ranged top laners and be forced to play like a bitch while being denied farm. With Mundo, even if I have to play like a bitch, I can still get CS and harass the enemy laner. I will admit, Mundo can be boring to play, but I think he's a reliable pick when I don't know who I'm laning against.

As for Tahm Kench, I largely play him because I like his character theme and voice work, while I do feel Sion does his job better in the support roll. I can vouch that his W is glitchy as hell when it comes to targeting; sometimes he just flounders about a target instead of eating them.

UmioJul 4, 20161 votes

The worst part of low elo - everyone locks their favorite champs without looking at enemy comp.

I love it when the enemy team has a Cait and my adc locks in 5th pick as Vayne . . . . has happened to me more than once.

Friendly RamJul 4, 20161 votes

But between iceborn bc and bork i can own most tanks with ez.

The DeckownerJul 4, 20162 votes

Damn that tickles.

Kitty ClarissaJul 2, 2016

tbh its impossible to go all AP since marksmen are AD aside from Corki all AD well i can agree, if we have all AD i want someone to build a item 3071 at least so we wont end up as bad late game when enemy has item 3143 item 3075 item 3742 negating most of our damage. but bot lane wise depends on the support really since a Janna can cover the weakness of Ashe KogMaw of being dived on. Also im not a fan of tanks and i played support/top alot. I hate playing the tank role since i prefer to at split push alot ( Shen im not bashing)

Sozan5Jul 2, 20161 votes

Uh, you can go mage botlane with support if your whole team is AD.

Not exactly a problem, and it's generally pretty strong (mages are usually stronger than carries early and you can snowball on their faces with support's CC).

VvVVvVJul 5, 20161 votes

Teemo Aside from Corki? I know my passive makes me invisible but come on man!