Why Annie is not a good champion to climb low elo's with

Hallbuster··2 votes·8,064 views

In the past, Annie was my main preferred champion to climb low Elo's with, but now, I realize that she is not a good champion at all if you have any wish to escape bronze. I now find her inferior to Vladimir and will give you reasons why.

  1. Poor mobility combined with no escape: This was the deal breaker and why I stopped using Annie altogether. Annie is highly prone to gank, or in my words, "gank bait." Proper warding can help but does little if the enemy on the other team decides to freeze the lane.
  2. Weak late game: You know those games that drag for an hour long, those are bronze games and they rarely end in 20 minutes. Long enough that Annie starts to wear off. While her ap ratios aren't poor, they are nowhere near late game monsters such as Ryze, Malzahar, or Vladimir.
  3. Squishy: I've had my health reduced by half, in freaking half, by a single attack in certain scenarios! Unless you can dodge 80% of incoming skill shots, you won't win your lane, period.
  4. Low range = tons of Counter picks: While Annie's AA is quite far:625, her abilities are not. Compared to Lux, Orianna, or even Ryze, Annie has to get in extremely close to deal damage. The champions I listed will try and abuse her weaknesses which is why the lane won't always be easy to win. Yes, she's able counters assassin champions and gap closers but that makeups what, 10 champions?

These are the reasons why Vladimir is noob friendly.

  1. Poor mobility but a good escape: Vladimir's sanguine pool + ghost or flash can get you out of sticky situations. Junglers don't even attempt to gank Vladimir the first time they fail.
  2. Weak early game but an extremely strong late game: Unlike Annie, Vladimir is a character that tends to do worse early game but better mid to late game. He hits his power spike somewhere around level 8 - 9. This is when you can start spamming q and e and really deal some damage to enemy carries.
  3. You can make mistakes: Vladimir is a character that is able to heal the damage he takes. Even if you're garbage at dodging skill shots, you can still stay in lane as long as you're getting more health than you're losing.
  4. Lack of counter picks: Not many champions counter Vladimir. Which is why he's a fearsome threat to players that try their hands at op picks, including Darius, Yasuo, and Fiora to name a few.

Of course, Vladimir does have one significant weakness I forgot to mention, he is incredibly hard to last hit minions with. I've remedied this problem in the past by putting 5 points in savagery and buying Doran's blade instead of Doran's shield. This gives me a combined damage of 12 and makes him deal 60 attack damage instead of the usual 48 starting at level 1.

22 Comments

Cocho2 votes

All those weaknesses doesn't matter in low elo. Low mobility for ganks? Wont be punished as severely, if at all for it. Bad scaling? Press R on adc or multiple people = won teamfight Squishy? 40% damage reduction on E. item 3027 item 3116 item 3151 item 3157 item 3001 ????????? Low range? Wont be punished as severely, if at all for it.

Annie is the best for low elo.

Not being able to last hit minions is very big in low elo. Literally, you win by CSing well. That's something you need

Hallbuster1 votes

Then you're sacrificing A to get B. Without Rabadon, Void staff, or even Luden's echo. You won't deal enough damage to kill your targets fast enough and will die anyways once you get focused. Yes, you can go both ways/builds but it's not nearly as effective.

Cocho1 votes

I just listed some options, obv you wouldnt get all of that :P.

40% damage reduction instantly is nothing to shrug off lol.

A korean caster/coach named LS has helped alot of low elo players climb, 80% of the time he just tells them to play Annie . When you don't have to think about anything but pressing R, you can focus on other aspects of the game and really start improving.

WitchQueen Annie2 votes

Vladimir is better to climb with.

I may be biased as a 3 season Vladimir main but I've played a LOT of Annie as well.

You have a "weak" early game but not if you know what you are doing in lane and know when you can push a skill gap. You have a LOT of "free" damage in lane against bad opponents (your Empowered Q chunks and your Es hurt if you land it). Higher level opponents won't die to you but in low elo, its too easy to exploit people's unfamiliarity with Vlad's rhythm and mechanics.

So quite often, you will end up with a few kills out of laning as Vladimir even though you're not supposed to.

An Annie with a few kills can snowball but not nearly as hard as a fed Vladimir. Vladimir legit 1 vs 3/4s in the late game if ahead and well played. He scales super strong.

Annie simply doesn't have the cooldowns to fight more than 2 opponents at once. A well played Vlad has a more firepower and durability to blast through an entire Bronze team.

The main advantage that Vlad has is super low cooldowns, no mana costs, and the ability aggressively position without dying for it if played well. He's also less Summoner dependant for plays.

Vladimir is a bit harder to play but honestly, not that much harder.

If you're going to play Annie in low elo though, you should (even though the guide don't recommend it) build item 3152. Without it, you are COMPELTELY flash dependent to make plays a lot of the times.

While Flash Tibbers is a very strong play making ability... Flash/Ghost Vlad initiations if properly done have much higher AOE nuke potential.

Hallbuster1 votes

This adds to me point, I agree completely.

Vladimir should always play safe in the laning phase. Staying alive is more important than securing kills. Once team fights start, he can really inflict some serious damage to multiple champions with his e: tides of blood (like you said) at once.

WitchQueen Annie1 votes

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This adds to me point, I agree completely.

Vladimir should always play safe in the laning phase. Staying alive is more important than securing kills. Once team fights start, he can really inflict some serious damage to multiple champions with his e: tides of blood (like you said) at once.

although many MANY times in Bronze/Silver, you CAN play Vladimir aggressively (but you just have to test out your opponent first). Or at least with enough experience. I went on ranked yesterday (1 game it backfired and it cost us game) but in 3 of the ranked games yesterday I went aggro with him and killed the other laner fast.

You walk around and poke with Qs while counting his cooldowns and dancing to dodge. If he's getting hit without being able to hit you back much and takes a few Empowered Qs he will be low. Then wait for empowered Q... E charge + summoner 4 + E pop + Q + Pool/auto attacks for kill. When he comes back he is going to be zoned the hell out of. A variation of this is to wait for 6 and if he's low enough, do the same combo except with Hemoplague (you can cast it WHILE holding E).

Scary Door2 votes

Annie is a great champion to climb through low Elos with. There's two primary ways to play Annie (as is the case with Vlad also)

  1. Play passive/farm - Capitalize on your opponents mistakes/greed: Of course you should harass your opponent and try to control the lane so they aren't tempted to roam much, but focus on purely outfarming your opponent. Annie has a great built in mechanic to do this and it's very easy to get a huge CS lead (especially in low Elos) over your opponent. The moment they get out of position, take full advantage and blow them up, if they decide to play passively then you do the same and simply turn it into farmville and back with 3000 gold at 11 minutes.

  2. Play ultra-aggressive: Knowing it's low Elo and your opponent is not skilled enough to handle trades, just go ahead and shove them to their tower, constantly poking/harassing when you can, ward the enemy blue/red, walk into their jungle get a free kill or two there, roam bot/top as you see fit. Your farm may be taking a bit of a hit but provided you play this way with a champion like Annie it only takes a couple of kills to get ahead and stay there for the rest of the game.

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Personally I love to just wait for my opponent to come in with Vlad. If you know what you're doing (and I'm not a great Vlad by any means) you'll win a trade with vlad against most opponents in low Elo, because they'll think you're weak, they may not understand your empowered mechanic or will underestimate your damage. Vlad might be weak early game, but he isn't incapable of capitalizing on an opponents mistakes like an Akali might be (pre level 6).

Hallbuster1 votes

You forgot to mention Annie's passive, something that nobody can scoff at.

Annie is a good champion to climb with because she has both CC (both point-click and AoE) and burst, her mere passive gives her a zoning tool just based on the fact if she has it ready.

I mean, Vlad is also strong...sometimes, then he gets nerfed, but I find it weird you didn't even mention Annie can stun at will.

LyingOnLine6 votes

Are.

Are you actually arguing with yourself?

Looks like somebody forgot which socks they were wearing today.

Hallbuster1 votes

Annie's stun is useful but not as good as people claim. You really can't use it early on, since she has mana problems and often times have to decide between zoning or farm.

Hallbuster2 votes

The previous comment was made by someone else. I couldn't answer him because I posted the original thread in bug reports and it got deleted.

13743410 votes

Next time when trying to boost discussion on your topic by making replies under different accounts make sure you sign off of account 1 before posting what should be on account 2.

Kai Guy1 votes

You uh... you doing ok man? Edit: read your later response about this being a late response to a different thread. You might wanna edit it in and possibly erase your post below and put that information into this one as well.

Glory971 votes

the real hero to get out of bronze is Thresh A bronze player needs a maximum of 10 games to figure out how this champ works. And then he can stomp botlane every game cause in bronze they don't dodge the hook.

Hallbuster1 votes

As long as your ADC doesn't aa minions.

Dulce Dama1 votes

Low skill ceiling champs is probably one of the better champs to climb in low elo. Annie doesn't have mobility but that doesn't stop her from being a competent champion. Brand and Anivia are examples that have no mobility but are fine, in fact no one wants to see a mage who can 100-0 with instant AOE stuns with the ability to move around with relative ease, you might even heard of the famous/infamous? flash Tibbers because of her lack of mobility but again that doesn't stop her from winning.

Her lategame is usually alright considering again she can have a AOE stun with big damage and in the end it depends what the game composition is made of that could hurt/help her including individual skill.

Squishy depends on what you build, i find Annie + item 3027 = tanky(ness). kinda intimidating the fact it would take longer to kill her while her abilities are on a relatively short CD, other items like item 3157 and item 3001 also helps. Also sometimes you just simply cant harass the enemy because of range unless they walk up so willingly then you can do some harass but if not you can simply work on farming or wait for a jungler gank so you can flash+tibber.

She is suppose to be outranged because if she does get in range its usually bad news for whoever is in it. Just because a champion will have superior range to Annie it doesnt mean she is doomed forever, you can harass if they try to melee, freeze lane in favors of jungle ganks, push to roam. of course not always you will have all options opened to you, you still have ways to help win with Annie.

Hallbuster1 votes

Brand and Anivia can't be compared with Annie. While all 3 lack mobility, Brand has range and Anivia has utility.

Mataka Tek1 votes

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In the past, Annie was my main preferred champion to climb low Elo's with, but now, I realize that she is not a good champion at all if you have any wish to escape bronze. ... nowhere near late game monsters such as Ryze, Malzahar, or Vladimir.

Malzahar WTH are you talking about ? Malzahar is complete crap right now... he is so nerfed its not even funny. If you are getting trashed by Malzahar players right now, then you would not be climbing out of bronze anyway.

Annie's Ultimate is far better than Malzahar's: First off, Tibbers lives incredibly long and has huge damage. Even when Annie can't finish the job, at least Tibbers usually does.

Hallbuster1 votes

Malazhars ult is a death sentence in team fights. I've lost games when I've been targeted directly and couldn't carry.

Paquay1 votes

Trundle

MRTAKINGOVER1 votes

yea her range is so short lux just spam q me to death in lane.

PowerRangerPink1 votes

i ll reply with two letters. LS. boom. all your statements are invalid now, gg ez noob.

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