Can we please make immobile casters who rely on skill shots viable again?

Yenn··6 votes·553 views

There is way too much mobility in the game for these champions to function. The only one that's actually usable right now is Xerath, and that's only because his skill shots are significantly faster/wider than everyone else's.

I can't even play Vel'koz anymore, because anyone at a Diamond level can trivially avoid my entire kit thanks to the abundance of movement speed and dashes/jumps.

Alternatively, even if they fuck up and are going to get hit, they can just flash over my entire insanely telegraphed kit, and then auto me to death while there's nothing I can do to stop it.

Looking at LCS picks makes it pretty clear that this is a major issue. The top picks' skill shots are all unavoidably fast and/or they have targeted CC to ensure it lands: Ryze, Azir, Orianna, Taliyah, etc.

One possible solution would be to scale the speed slightly with level, so they keep up with movement speed.

13 Comments

JackMcSnipeyz1 votes

It's a slippery slope. Vel'koz does a ton of damage, make him too reliable, you can push him over the edge. Not saying it cant work, just saying it needs fine tuning, i like playing vel myself in the past so i can get where you're comming from.

Laceration1 votes

Many of the mages who are immobile are actually extremely powerful. I personally believe it's the power in the God Tier picks that are keeping them from being played. Galio and Ryze outclass a lot mages and blind picking any of them while those are up feels bad.

Also you need to keep in mind that immobile mages have really high damage to compensate for that. A buff like making them faster over levels could break the meta in high elo.

Remember that when you have no mobility, positioning is important and punishing poor positioning on the side of a immobile mage is what makes them balanced.

Pika Fox1 votes

They made one that was balanced, but people complained until they nerfed her into the ground. Rip Zoe.

Speeedy1 votes

how do you think 100-0 someone is balanced?

Pika Fox1 votes

How do you think an assassin hitting you with 3 abilities shouldnt 100-0 you after 2.3 seconds of waiting for E to proc?

Speeedy1 votes

there is a big difference between 1 ability killing you from a screen away verse an assassin attempting to jump on you blowing 3 abilities. I will take the assassin any day since you can at least react to it.

Pika Fox1 votes

You can react to zoe. She cant kill you without E. E has a 2.3 second delay before she can kill with it. If you/your team cant react in 2.3 seconds to a telegraphed nuke, you deserved the loss.

Also, no zoe has ever killed someone from a screen away with 1 ability. Its literally impossible, unless youre at 2 HP and E alone kills you over terrain. R is an ability.

stealthfox941 votes

What exactly are people playing mid lane these days? Because apparently assassins are trash to...........

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

Yenn1 votes

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What exactly are people playing mid lane these days? Because apparently assassins are trash to...........

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People say assassins are trash because they're unable to successfully assassinate ADCs in the mid to late game, and APCs can often itemize an Hourglass to stop them. They're still marginally better than champions like Vel'koz and Ziggs, though.

And I already mentioned what gets played mid lane: it's overwhelmingly champions whose kit is too fast to react and avoid if aimed well, or champions who have a reliable lock down to ensure their skill shots hit.

Vel'koz, Ziggs, Lux, etc. are all more or less unviable at higher levels.

Colton1471 votes

Ziggs item 3070

Nyarlathοtep

Im afraid they wont. They just outright hate them. How can adc, that have extremely reliable burst per second damage can also have cc or/and mobility is beyond me. And then we have immobile champs ( mostly mages tho) like the ones you mentioned that have unreliable damage because they have "extreme range". Which is bullshit if you ask me since most of the time in order to nullify the damage from such a champ is just sidesteping. Which is easy.

Acheron167 votes

OP, posts something asking for immobile mage buffs.

This guy immediately tries to begin an ADC circlejerk.

Amazing.

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