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Lux has been too strong and too safe a pick for too long

Barso55··18 votes·5,845 views

Apart from the obvious in bot and mid, the long range ult with that cd passive that does good damage even with support items, the strong multi-allie shield that shields twice and the easy poke on her e (idc what people say its fast enough with long enough of a range to predict enemy bot lane and land it on at least one person).

My major issue is with her E. 'just dodge skillshot lol', idc what people say it is a fast projectile, has a bigger hitbox than the animation, and has a double root. Even if you try to dodge it and she throws it where you were before you dodged it, your never fast enough to move out of its hitbox.

She is way too safe a pick and brings utility and damage and in good hands is a consistently very strong champ in any matchup. That E needs to either single root so that me or one of my teammates can at least get at her or it needs to be slowed down by 25-30% because even at a decent distance and prediction it can't really be dodged with tier 2 boots.

35 Comments

Hayaishi211 votes

I've no idea why an ult with such a small CD needs to have the ridiculous CD reduction passive it has.

Heckin Support4 votes

I'll never forget when they added that, it was so out of the blue and I remember lots of people saying it was a random buff to a champion who wasn't doing horribly and it will definitely be a problem in the future.

Barso557 votes

eh, shes not fun mid either against anyone thats not a mage with waveclear.

Zardo1 votes

Yeah, but she's a pretty good pick to stay alive into assassins who are not fun to lane against unless you're a safer mage.... and the circle continues around and around.

Sheogowrath6 votes

Only support Lux is a specific problem. Her base values need to be decreased and her scaling increased. Pretty straight forward

Tuition Fee6 votes

As a former Lux main: -Hard nerf her ult CD -Nerf early E damage -Give her more waveclear early game

Lux support is extremely oppressive and uninteractive, but mid lane it's pretty easy to outpush/outsustain her.

SSJTribe3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Tuition Fee,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jJm1PfAI,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-06-11T18:34:15.308+0000)

-Nerf early E damage -Give her more waveclear early game

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Luther King Jr V1 votes

i think he means midlane lux it doesn't give sense to give her more wave clear as sup lol

Orbv3 votes

You missed the irony a bit.

He wants them to lower her E dmg, which she uses to waveclear.

But then he also wants them to give her more waveclear...which she uses her E for.

"former lux main" lol

Luther King Jr V1 votes

ik that sounded stupid too but i was hoping lux would get other ways to wave clear since her E is an unmissable poke

AetherArising2 votes

For an example, you could increase damage to minions by a notable amount (20-30) while nerfing the poke damage on champions

Tuition Fee1 votes

some1 gets it

Saezio4 votes

Her Q is the root. not the E

SweedishGunner3 votes

Same with Vel (although he's a bit less safe) but people haven't realised yet.

Lovelle2 votes

Lux been a top tier pick on literally every map/mode for years, yet people will still often say she's weak, vulnerable, can't carry, all skillshots (as if that's a weakness), etc.

https://www.metasrc.com/3v3/tierlist

She's even at the top of the food chain on 3v3, a map typically dominated by bruisers and melee carries. I'm not really calling for nerfs or anything, but it just baffles me how some people are so clueless as to how much she offers to a team.

Ahri Baka1 votes

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Lux been a top tier pick on literally every map/mode for years, yet people will still often say she's weak, vulnerable, can't carry, all skillshots (as if that's a weakness), etc.

https://www.metasrc.com/3v3/tierlist

She's even at the top of the food chain on 3v3, a map typically dominated by bruisers and melee carries. I'm not really calling for nerfs or anything, but it just baffles me how some people are so clueless as to how much she offers to a team.

2% pick rate and 50% winrate for a mid laner in mid lane surely top tier she is only strong in support role , don't be delusional more than that.

Lovelle1 votes

She dominates on both ARAM and 3v3. You must not play either of those maps, so you're not used to seeing her outside of the support role on SR. Again, I'm not crying that she's OP, but she's a much stronger champion than most people give credit for.

SovereignMammal1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kitsune Kawaii,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jJm1PfAI,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-06-11T19:30:30.179+0000)

2% pick rate and 50% winrate

https://u.gg/lol/champions/lux/build/?role=middle https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/lux

Where the fuck are you getting 50% win rate and 2% pick rate? Stop trying to obfuscate the reality that Lux is 100% a top tier pick in mid and support right now

Ahri Baka1 votes

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https://u.gg/lol/champions/lux/build/?role=middle https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/lux

Where the fuck are you getting 50% win rate and 2% pick rate? Stop trying to obfuscate the reality that Lux is 100% a top tier pick in mid and support right now

op.gg

AetherArising2 votes

op.gg takes stats from korea only, as well as plat+, it's a nice baseline of "is this champ busted?" when they have a 55% w/r on day 1, 2, and 3 of a patch, but take it with a grain of salt

Sillae1 votes

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Lux been a top tier pick on literally every map/mode for years, yet people will still often say she's weak, vulnerable, can't carry, all skillshots (as if that's a weakness), etc.

https://www.metasrc.com/3v3/tierlist

She's even at the top of the food chain on 3v3, a map typically dominated by bruisers and melee carries. I'm not really calling for nerfs or anything, but it just baffles me how some people are so clueless as to how much she offers to a team.

All skillshots is a weakness.

Any champ with high mobility is at a significant advantage, those without any have no particular advantage. It's why point and click abilities are needed at all, to stop crap like Zed's in and out 100-0 while he, himself, is almost dead.

Lovelle2 votes

Lux has the capacity to completely invalidate most melee champions in teamfights. Her cooldowns get so low that she can often perma-kite and/or lock down any melee that doesn't have at least two gap closers (or abilities that ignore CC).

It's the same issue as Brand and Morgana, sure they're skillshot based, but when played competently most melee champions can never reach them, at least not without losing most of their healthbars in the process.

Champs like her are a large part of the reason most melee champions can't have good late games.

Sillae1 votes

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Lux has the capacity to completely invalidate most melee champions in teamfights. Her cooldowns get so low that she can often perma-kite and/or lock down any melee that doesn't have at least two gap closers (or abilities that ignore CC).

It's the same issue as Brand and Morgana, sure they're skillshot based, but when played competently most melee champions can never reach them, at least not without losing most of their healthbars in the process.

Champs like her are a large part of the reason most melee champions can't have good late games.

I'm sorry but you're saying competent ranged players are using their kit to make sure melee champs, most of which can 100-0 if they reach mind you, don't reach them. Which is fine.

Melee players often just charge straight forward, because it's the fastest way to the target. Strafing or attacking from the fog will give a significant advantage. Just because you're melee doesn't mean you should be able to ignore cc (unless you're playing Olaf I guess) and reach your target, you should take it into account.

Lovelle1 votes

The problem is that she does it from 1000 range, but you don't have to reply to me anymore. It's clear we're not going to agree about anything concerning this matter.

Ahri Baka2 votes

She is still weak in mid lane As for support Well she is abusing aftershock and , her w shields are the problem it has nothing to do with her other abilities Her E was hard nerfed when they buffed her W They decreased the Radius and missile speed , you can't nerf it more than that.

Rαy1 votes

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She's a contested pick in proplay for both midlane and support where she uses Guardian.

Her winrates in soloq are 53,8% (Mid) and 53,3% (Support).

Ahri Baka1 votes

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She's a contested pick in proplay for both midlane and support where she uses Guardian.

Solo Q stats don't show the same as for Pro play , she is simply being picked for her shields , which are broken , not denying that

Yordle Xayah2 votes

Support Lux is the real problem. Mid Lux still has to farm and earn her Gold to buy items. She's easy to burst and lacks mobility. Support Lux gets free stuff from Support Items and hanging around her ADC, and since Riot's idea for Supports is that they should make a lot of free Gold by poking people a little sometimes or just hanging out in lane, Supp Lux gets to build as a Mid Mage with barely any of the costs that come as playing her in the Mid lane.

I personally really dislike how much free gold Mage Supports get, and I think it has been a problem for years by this point, but I don't think Riot cares to do anything about that or how they'd even do it without making Enchanter and Tank supports also take less income via the items. All because Riot's only way to fulfill a Game play fantasy is to give you lots of gold to buy items ASAP in this Arms-Race meta they've invented.

catchick2 votes

Here is a fair, decent nerf that I don't know why nobody suggested: Lux ult CD refund only works in actual kills, not on almost kills. A direct nerf to Lux support who has to instantly use her ult so the ADC gets the kill.

ChaosReyn1 votes

Her E isn't the root. >.>

and honestly, the way to beat her is to just bait out the root. The literal moment she uses it, as long as you dodged it, you win. Her shield is effing annoying, but she can't peel you at that point, and she'll lack the damage potential for the kill.

catchick1 votes

Mid Lux is perfectly fair. She has two big weaknesses in her lack of mobility and weak clear wave. Minion demat is the only reason she can even function. The only reason she is even seeing pro-play mid is that she is a big brain counter to Zoe, and that counter is impossible to play unless you're legitimately good at Lux. Lux winrate is only inflated as a support because people figured out how to overcome her core weakness as a support, which was that she insta-died if she got engaged.

Vekkna1 votes

I think Lux is a few small tweaks from balance.

  • Making Q cooldown 12-9 sec with skill ranks would actually make a pretty significant difference in bot.
  • Eliminating the shield stacking but keeping the refresh on her W is another option.
  • Reverting the R CDR on takedown should really be a no-brainer.
  • Reverting the free lvl 1 attack speed would make her support poke a little less safe but would probably hit mid a little more.

Honestly, any two of these would probably bring her back to par.

catchick1 votes

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I think Lux is a few small tweaks from balance.

  • Making Q cooldown 12-9 sec with skill ranks would actually make a pretty significant difference in bot.
  • Eliminating the shield stacking but keeping the refresh on her W is another option.
  • Reverting the R CDR on takedown should really be a no-brainer.
  • Reverting the free lvl 1 attack speed would make her support poke a little less safe but would probably hit mid a little more.

Honestly, any two of these would probably bring her back to par.

Two of those were recently changed, the shield stacking and the Q CD, because they nerfed her E. It was a compensation buff. The shield itself only became so strong because they nerfed its move speed so they gave it a compensation buff in the stacking.

Vekkna1 votes

I'm aware. The point is to nerf her in an area with a known and quantifiable effect. For example, we know it was a pretty significant buff when they made her self-shield immediate rather than on W return. So we know something like that would be a significant nerf.

Rαy1 votes

Lux just has too many fangirls/boys that like being able to use a very simple playstyle to be effective, so Riot will continue to feed her skins and hesitate nerfing her.

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