There are too many champions with toxic play patterns in this game - Zoe just adds to the problem

Blåbæret·Nov 8, 2017·9 votes·1,025 views

Just to name a few, and now we get the pleasure of having Zoe, which so far looks to be another one of CertainlyT's masterpieces when it comes to tilting the enemy. Why doesn't Riot take player experience (self, team AND enemy) more into consideration when making champions? Bullshit like the garbage above truly puzzles me. Zoe looks entirely like a champion made to be annoying, and it's, to be frank, a seemingly really bad approach to making champions.

6 Comments

NaalithNov 8, 20177 votes

I honestly don't think Zoe is going to be as bad as you think. Her biggest damage ability can be body blocked like Caitlyn's ult AND can be missed as it's a skillshot, minions block all her spells, she has to be right next to the enemy to pick up their summoner spell shards. She can't just roll up like Syndra and Veigar and instagib people either, she has to set up and that can give teammates time to save Zoe's victim. Also, I think some of the champions you mentioned aren't even that bad. You missed Nunu and jungle Ez

RocketRelmNov 8, 20171 votes

Yeah, honestly I looked at Zoe's kit and numbers and... her laning is really weak.

Like, really weak. Sure she can set up to dunk you if she lands her e, but she has functionally 0 offensive or zoning pressure, and if she misses it then her ass is grass for 15 entire seconds. Sure she's a team fighting monstrosity once she gets some levels and into the chaos of a mosh pit, but can she survive to get to that point?

Also, no power spike on 6 via an ult worth mentioning.

Also also, what do you rank on her? Not the Q, cause that literally only reduces the cd by 0.25 seconds (and makes it cost more mana to boot).

AudiomancyNov 8, 20171 votes

Wait, what? Doesn't Q scale with level at the same rate has her passive (17-140) as well as ranks in Q? If not, I imagine E>W>Q might be the best option for the E bonus wake damage.

JavelinJoeNov 8, 20172 votes

You forgot the nightmare which is
Blitz out of all of them is likely the tamest because he has only 1 thing going for him. His Q+R+E/Q+E+R combo. If he cant do that, he sucks.
I agree completely that Riot seems to love punishing enemies while rewarding champions who do minimal work with a ton of reward. Zoe IS made to be annoying, it is her champion's design concept. SO in terms of champion following design, they are 100% spot on. Now if only that was a good design. I am glad they are adding a burst mage since it has been a LONG time since the last one. But we did not need that much mobility, nor that W.

Mal the RedNov 8, 20171 votes

I'm worried about her potential with wave clear.

SpaghettiVaseNov 8, 20171 votes

Can I ask how Zilean is a toxic play style? I understand most of them but Zilean, I don't really understand where his play patterns could be considered toxic.