Maybe the Blood moon game mode could use a bit larger champion pool?

SSShutTheDuckUp··35 votes·5,910 views
1/25 PBE Update

So reading the article about Blood moon game-mode hyped me a lot, however seeing the champion pool was kinda disappointing. Champions likeFiora Irelia JarvanIV MasterYi Nidalee Nocturne Vi Quinn Renekton Riven Warwick MonkeyKing XinZhao were missing, and I think all of them are aggressive and assassin-like enough to find a place there. Maybe the list goes on for even longer, if we include other bursty characters. IMO a game mode with 20 champions pool is gonna become pretty boring pretty fast. What makes me think it? URF. IMO it was maybe the best game mode ever created. Was, because of all the try-hards who picked the same and the same OP champions in every game made it so boring. I have no problem with players playing to win, however a champion pool so narrow will make all the games feel the same. Maybe it will be great for 3-4 games, but after that IMO it will start feeling pretty stale. I understand why the pool is restricted, as it is "Assassin mode", however IMO there should be more "pseudo-assassins" included in the draft. Especially considering how already there are champions, who are not assassins in the mode. The list, taken from FF@20 is: Ahri Akali Camille Diana Ekko Elise Evelynn Fizz Kassadin Katarina Kennen Kha'Zix Leblanc Lee Sin Pantheon Rengar Shaco Talon Yasuo Zed

It is just my opinion. I might be absolutely wrong, however, I might be, at least to a certain level, right. The point is to raise a discussion. So, thanks in advance for joining or reading, and best of luck on the fields of justice!

111 Comments

Big Lincoln23 votes

they should let all champs in but all items with health and resists are disabled

time to unleash my assassin Darius

SSShutTheDuckUp13 votes

Sejuani item 3089 item 3041 item 3135 item 3285 item 3100 item 3020 Bring it on :)

Big Lincoln2 votes

Darius item 3812 item 3142 item 3046 item 3031 item 3072 item 3158 Darius

SSShutTheDuckUp17 votes

No fair, I only use one Sejuani, and you use 2 Dariuses

50000000000000004 votes

Darii is the correct plural form

SSShutTheDuckUp4 votes

Thank you, not a native speaker here, so I agree

Soireal3 votes

Teemo item 3151 item 3285 item 3089 item 3165 item 3115 Teemo

warpenguin55519 votes

Wait yeah why aren't nocturne and yi allowed. wtf

SSShutTheDuckUp3 votes

Because RITO logic

AirKingNeo1 votes

Nocturn is a bit too naturally tanky + spellshield.

Yi's W tankiness negates a lot of other assassins. Plus Yi's Q also negates most other assassins. Basically he's be the best assassin if everyone could only play assassins.

SSShutTheDuckUp1 votes

So you think Noc shield is too strong. yet assassins with untargetability are not? Or maybe the Yi untargetability is more of untargetabolity than Zed or Fizz? Not exactly flawless logics, IMO

AirKingNeo1 votes

Zed's untargetablility is very hard to utilize comparitively to Yi/Noc. Fizz has various trade-offs for having his W, such as low base numbers.

RavenMagus1 votes

But we have Camille in the mode...

AirKingNeo1 votes

Yeah and I agree she shouldn't be allowed. Nevertheless I gave you reasons for those 2.

RavenMagus1 votes

tbh I'm probably going to play the mode once, get wrecked by the enemy Camille, probably get carried by my team's Camille, and then not play again.

SteelMankind2 votes

First and foremost, several champions are colloquially called assassins, despite not fitting in to the modern definition. Master Yi, Yasuo, Ekko (I disagree with this one) and Diana are NOT considered assassins by Riot. Read up here:

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/3A5uuBw7-champion-subclass-list

Riot isnt helping by making clearly non-assassins part of the mode, but whatever. As for why Nocturne isn't an assassin, its because he has no escapes, relies on autoattacking over abilities, has targeted CC, and tends to build tankyish. As for why he isnt part of the "Assassin" mode, no clue.

PiVoRx4 votes

So its confirmed MasterYi is neither an assassin or diver, the only champion without role ?

AtheosisX7 votes

He's a skirmisher.

Asayake 5150glow11 votes

Why the fuck is Camille in there.

is this Riot's way of telling us that Camille is doing as much damage as an assassin should but still deserves her tank stats because 'she's really a diver'?

SSShutTheDuckUp1 votes

It is not just Camille. Also Lee, Rengar, Elise, Diana, Yasuo, Pantheon are not technically assassins. Yet they are in the list, while all of the champions I listed are not

Asayake 5150glow3 votes

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It is not just Camille. Also Lee, Rengar, Elise, Diana, Yasuo, Pantheon are not technically assassins. Yet they are in the list, while all of the champions I listed are not

Rengar's not technically an assassin? No, he technically is an assassin, but really isn't.

Panth is closer to an assassin than anything else.

Same with Diana, assassin/diver.

Elise is assassin/utilitymage.

Yas is an assassin/skirmisher.

Lee is an assassin/fighter.

Meh.

SSShutTheDuckUp1 votes

Sure, rengar shouldn't be listed here, however: Diana is a diver. In a game you expect her to be tanky. Elise can be everything between full tank and full AP, but even if she is full AP she is more like a burst mage rather than an assassin. Yasuo is a skirmisher, so NOT an assassin, as well as Ekko. Just like Fiora, who is missing from the list. Lee, Diana, Panth are divers and not an assassin as well. Just like Wukong, Irelia, Riven, Jarvan, Renekton, Warwick etc, who are also NOT in the list

Asayake 5150glow2 votes

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Sure, rengar shouldn't be listed here, however: Diana is a diver. In a game you expect her to be tanky. Elise can be everything between full tank and full AP, but even if she is full AP she is more like a burst mage rather than an assassin. Yasuo is a skirmisher, so NOT an assassin, as well as Ekko. Just like Fiora, who is missing from the list. Lee, Diana, Panth are divers and not an assassin as well. Just like Wukong, Irelia, Riven, Jarvan, Renekton, Warwick etc, who are also NOT in the list

Lee, Diana, and Panth are all assassins as their secondary.

Yasuo's also an assassin as his secondary.

Diana's more like an assassin - you honestly wouldn't expect her in game to be tankier than a RoA.

Ekko's not an assassin? Well he's supposed to be one. If Ekko had Yasuo levels of damage I'd like that a lot more, tbh.

Skins Project1 votes

Please please check before you post T>T It's assassins & divers for the gamemode.

Sire Hippington1 votes

The point isn't that divers like diana are on the list, the point is that diana as a diver is on the list, but many other divers like Wukong or J4 are not!!!!!

what most people question on this disccusion is not that champs like camille are on the list, but that champs like YI or Noctorn are NOT on that list. If it was just assasins, ok, they are not exactly assasins, but we have assasins, some divers and even a mage(ahrie is a mage) there, while most divers are ingored and adc-assains like Quinn or twitch also didn't make it on the list.

Skins Project1 votes

Idk anymore, I was just clarifying because alot of people were mentioning some were divers.

Oleandervine11 votes

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Why the fuck is Camille in there.

is this Riot's way of telling us that Camille is doing as much damage as an assassin should but still deserves her tank stats because 'she's really a diver'?

Diana, Lee Sin, and Pantheon are not assassins.

Serika Zero1 votes

Diana's an assassin. She is one of the few assassins left in this game that can 100-0 you in less than 0.5sec

Photos of Ghosts1 votes

BEcause she's overtuned in damage.

Serika Zero1 votes

not quite, she has been this way for 3 seasons, 4 now she's not "overturned" in damage, she's one of the few balanced assassins in this game she was never a major balance problem for 3 years, compare her to Lee Sin, Yasuo, Zed (hue 80%+ ban rate), Senjuani, Malzahar, Vladimir, Rengar, and so on

Photos of Ghosts1 votes

She's not overtuned relative to the rest of the roster anymore because they caught up to her. But she's overtuned compared to her archetype.

Serika Zero2 votes

Diana was OP on release and then was fine for 3 seasons yet you say that "the rest of the roaster" have only caught up with new now???????????????????????????????? what.... Diana is one of the few champion that saw LCS play and wasn't nerfed after she was present in lcs games or buffed prior to her joining the lcs set for s small period of time......... ............. ...........

people don't complain about how unfair and broken she is like they do with the likes of yasuo or zed. As she has mana >.> and limited mobility >.> and a weak laning phase >.>

Skins Project1 votes

Oh my.. ITS A DIVER AND ASSASIN GAMEMODE

Auz the Ripper1 votes

There's only like three divers randomly thrown in

Skins Project1 votes

I guess, just clarifying because there were alot of people saying divers were thrown in.

Oleandervine6 votes

The reason the champs you listed aren't in this mode is probably because they fundamentally break the concept of this mode. Most of who you listed are tankier, and a lot of them are drain tanks. Furthermore, there is quite a bit of hard CC in your list, and there are few champs who would be absolutely frustrating to play against if you're only limited to squishier champions. Riven, Irelia, Fiora, and Vi can be absolute cancer, and they can be downright unkillable, so I'm glad they're not allowed. The rest have aspects of them that would go off the charts with the buffs and the fact they could easily farm the jungle and kills.

SSShutTheDuckUp2 votes

Tankier you say? Yet Akali Diana Rengar Camille Elise LeeSin Yasuo are here?

Also there is a lot of CC in this list as well. I am too lazy to list them as well

Oleandervine6 votes

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Tankier you say? Yet Akali Diana Rengar Camille Elise LeeSin Yasuo are here?

Also there is a lot of CC in this list as well. I am too lazy to list them as well

On that list, barring Lee Sin, none of those are inherently tanky. They will all pretty much squish like stepped in dog-doo without access to the tank items.

SSShutTheDuckUp2 votes

Just like Vi, Irelia and Fiora. If you do not believe me just build one full glass cannon and trust me, you will be far away from unkillable, unless you snowball so you kill everyone in a split second, before they do damage to you. Which sounds somewhat suitable for assassin mode

Attticus Finch1 votes

Diana is not squishy by any definition of the word.

Truly Prideful4 votes

I hate her, but shouldn't Vayne be in there? She is basically the assassin marksman.

NineTailedMystic4 votes

Of course they lumped in Ahri, sigh.

Jeddy0171 votes

With the removal of tank items in this mode, I think it will be alright to add the champs you listed.

SSShutTheDuckUp6 votes

If the tank items are removed even more champs could be allowed Malphite item 3089 item 3041 item 3135 item 3285 item 3100 item 3020

AirKingNeo1 votes

Too naturally tanky.

SSShutTheDuckUp1 votes

Yet Camille, Ekko, Diana, Yasuo and Panth are here with their shields/blocks.

AirKingNeo1 votes

Camille shouldn't be allowed simply off being broken.

Ekko's shield is barely anything. Same with Diana and Yasuo. Panth's shield only blocks auto attacks.

GD Reaper11 votes

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Camille shouldn't be allowed simply off being broken.

Ekko's shield is barely anything. Same with Diana and Yasuo. Panth's shield only blocks auto attacks.

Ekko's shield scales well off ap. And panth's shield also blocks any ability that could count as an autoattack. And if we aren't allowing champs that are considered broken half the list is fucking gone lol.

AirKingNeo1 votes

Only less than a 1/4th of the list is broken. What is Fizz broken? Shit base stats. Zed broken? Don't make me laugh.

Ekko's shield is still VERY SMALL even with AP comparatively.

Most assassins don't have AA's in their kit for panth to block.

My Waifu Vanilla2 votes

Oh yes please let full AP Malphite get a permanent stealth and SIGNIFICANT cd reduction on his ult. The reason it is a limited roster is most Assassins and divers have counterplay and outplay potential. There is however no way you can outplay anyone as Malphite and you lack most forms of being outplayed besides dodging Malph ult.

It'll be the same as it was on URF where people would just play stuff like AP Ali only and other cheesy champions instead of ACTUAL Assassins because they are very "one-sided" in these game modes.

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