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Daily reminder that a lot of players still want SoloQueue

SSShutTheDuckUp··388 votes·6,099 views

Pretty much the title. I do not want to play with/against premades when I play solo. The reasons have been said too many times in boards:

* groups with toxic players are much worse than solo toxic players, because they defend each other and coordinate their flame
* even non-toxic premade groups tend to not communicate with their solo teammates
* in addition to the previous point I have witnessed in many occasions how premade group do not follow a good initiation by the solo player, while following the wrong one, as long as it is done by their premade. It is not always the case, but I have seen this happening. Believe me - the feeling when you land 5-man sej ult, just to see how your teammates recall at full HP is pretty discouraging
* in addition to the previous points - I cannot count how many times I've seen solo players camped  like hell, often by 3-4 man ganks (by the enemy premade groups) while his teammates only help each other

I can conclude - when I get matched with a big premade group I feel like I have next to zero impact to the outcome of the game. I will win, if the premade group in my team is better, and I will if the enemy team premade groups is better than mine. Unless i get 25/0 or 0/15 my individual performance have next to zero impact. And no matter what happens I cannot find the most important part of the game - FUN.

So, some of you will say "You haven't played ranked this season, how can you judge". Well, I play in normals. That's the situation I see in normals, and I have no reason to think it would be different in ranked. And I prefer being unranked, than having a rank I contribute nothing, based on how good premades I am matched with.

112 Comments

Dominick Destine44 votes

Agreed 100%.

I queue with no one and despise being on a team with a (4-man) premade or against premades. I just want solo queue.

SSShutTheDuckUp18 votes

A lot of us do. Hope we will get it, but I am not optimistic

Quindec4 votes

plus it makes you feel like the 4-5th wheel

71883083DEL123 votes

I couldn't agree more! I want to play against people like myself who are solo queue'd and just looking to have fun on the game. I don't want to get put in a group of 5 against a group of 5 people who know each other and communicate via headset.

SSShutTheDuckUp18 votes

absolutely. And Solo Queue threads do not stop coming, but we are still waiting for response.

Nilok22 votes

A note to Riot, a reduction in upvotes for Solo Queue may not be indicative of people starting to like Dynamic Queue, be instead because the Solo Queue supporters are leaving the game in frustration.

Zorasama15 votes

Good, we shouldn't stop making these thread. I feel like Riot intention is to wait until majority of player forget what they promised and just keep on living, so we need to remind them that we won't ever give up until they give us solo queue.

KING ATTILA7 votes

{quoted}

Good, we shouldn't stop making these thread. I feel like Riot intention is to wait until majority of player forget what they promised and just keep on living, so we need to remind them that we won't ever give up until they give us solo queue.

I personaly won't stop making Solo Queue threads. I hope everyone else that wants solo queue ranked will do the dame and support threads that are made.

JazzPolice14 votes

My play and my payments to riot have both gone down significantly sense they got rid of solo queue.

DexterousGecko13 votes

Every point you used to "prove" dynamic queue is bad is true for solo queue as well. I have yet to see any sort of number or actual evidence that dynamic queue is causing a more negative environment for solo players other than vague feelings or frustrations. I understand the frustrations of ranked, but blaming dynamic queue for it without anything to back it up just isn't the solution.

Dextix LT25 votes

Wrong, soloq doesnt have those problems. Solo players are more likely to communicate, even if they rage it is usually one solo person, you cannot get consistently 4 man camped because they are premade and have voice chat.

Dynamic q is creating a negative environment for solo players, because premades should not be in there.

Solice4 votes

So essentially people want to prey on discoordination to win games, which is fine, but you should never ever count on another teams mistakes to win your game, you need to count on your team to win games, because your essentially going to have a family for the next 30 min, so why not learn to live with them?

The only problem with Dynamic Q is the players and their mind set, its probably also Riots fault for thinking people are actually going to want to work together to win the game. Makes me sad people dont see they hold themselves back, and in that, hold their team back too. (this is not aimed at you, this is generally what I see from most players)

Dextix LT13 votes

You count on your team to win, but when the enemy team has an inherent advantage just because they grouped, it is completely unfair. You as a solo player then lose your impact on the game and the enemy with far better coordination can more easily win.

In soloq, your rank relied on your skill. Your victory relied on your skill and teamwork with the teammates.

Now? Now it invloves spinning a roulette and hoping for a better premade than the enemies.

Solice4 votes

If people group, back off and ask for help. There are champions specifically designed to disrupt groups, like gragas, or galio, or malphite, or hecairim, i can go on, but people can come to the conclusion to group regardless if they are in a party or not, everyone can communicate with chat and ping, wards exist to know where your enemies are, there's no reason people grouping should be "Unfair" just because its Dynamic Q and not Solo Q the only thing Solo Q did was encourage a dueling mentality that is the opposite of what this game is to its core, because solo play is just something that does not exists, and just because people are in a group does not mean its unfair play, its literally just playing the game in a different way, so adapt to your situation.

Coordination is more than grouping as well, its knowing when to back off/engage where to go what to do so on so forth. The reason zed used to be considered "bad" in high elo's and OP in low ones is because people dont work together in low elo's and thats just something you have to get over, wishful thinking is no way to play the game, good reaction and shot calling is the way to go.

Dextix LT7 votes

The problem is that you dont know who is premade. Ever. So trying to play around the premades by tactics is impossible because you just simply dont know who are the premades.

And you still do not understand the problem. Yes, chat and pings offer communication. But direct voice chat allows for far better communication and coordination, the same goes for knowing your friends strategies and personality.

People being in a goup has an inherent disatvantage to the solo person. It is not a different way of playing the game it is a BETTER way to play the game.

Solice2 votes

You realise that if you get ganked, the blame is not on premades. If you get 5 manned, its not because of premades. If you get focused its not because of premades, because nothing changes, its still a game where ANYONE can do that stuff.

I get that premades can talk to eachother, but what should that change? Say you are an ADC with your random support. You get ganked, you die, was that because the support did not save you hard enough? No, you got ganked, YOU didint see them coming, they outdamaged the heals/shield CC that your support provided, this can happen to a premade too. If you are a support player you do everything in your power to help your adc and hinder your enemies, the rules dont change, they stay the same, the only difference with premades is they can shout at each other and joke about their mistakes.

Your arguments are circumstantial, they dont definitively happen, and being premade does not change how the game works, they communicate what they want to do which should happen anyway in any situation, they will still do everything you can do, your support will support, their support will support. Nothing inherently changes, communication cannot make that thresh hook land, or that soraka heal cooldown go down faster. You cannot blame premades for playing the game as a team, because your team can do the same, just communicate it, and if they dont want to, thats just their fault, not premades, its people stubbornness, insecurities and distrust of other people that cause this, solo q will not change this.

Dextix LT9 votes

Anyone can do that stuff, but premades will do it with far better coordination and with far better results than any solo team.

Also, if you do not realise the advantage that voice chat gives to people, you really need to play at least once with friends on skype, you would instantly notice the difference. There is a reason why pros use voice chats instead of the simple chat window.

There will be better skill coordination, gank coordination, positioning coordination, combo coordination. Voice chat gives the ability to improve all of those because you do not need to write and you can tell your friend just exactly what you are going to do.

Everything changes inherently with premades, because that is what always happens. Communication is one of the most important parts of this game, and premades have far better communication and coordination than anyone else in the game.

How can you not realise the advantage of better communication?

Can you tell me why exactly pros play with voice chats instead of being silent all the time? There is a reason for that, i will let you ponder on it.

EXTERMIANDORHH3 votes

I don't understand it as physically grouping but keep working in a more coordinated way that can only be achieved through skype, ts, etc. And that it is a huge advantage, just because they won't have problems of flaming or blaming since they will be friends or kinda.

Obungo 3 votes

Solo queue shows absolutely no skill or communication. Whoever has the dumbass on their team instantly loses, at least with dynamic queue a small speck of skill is actually involved.

Dextix LT12 votes

Wrong. Because you are solo players, to win, you HAVE to communicate, otherwise you lose. And the chances of having a dumbass on your team are statistically lower than on the enemy team (Unless you are also a dumbass)

Because you are solo players you also rely on your skill rather than your premades to win.

Dynamic que doesnt involve skill. It involves people with voice chats and premade strategies against solo players. It involves better players carrying worse ones. It involves one team actually having a disatvantage from the start of the game. It involves not having skill, but friends.

Tentacle Of Pink5 votes
  1. You have to communicate in a premade. Otherwise you might as well be 2-4 solos.
  2. Premades rely on their skill, be it mechanical or game sense. Solo Que simply requires you to be able to do both at a high level.
  3. Better players will always carry worse players. This happens a lot in Solo Que.
Dextix LT7 votes
  1. I did not make a statement that you do not.
  2. They do to an extent, but the emphasis on skillfull play is lessened.
  3. Will those players always play with the same players? No, they wont.
EXTERMIANDORHH6 votes
  1. Much easier because you already know your premades from earlier.
  2. Now the premade with better players carry the rest of the premade/team so it doesn't solve that thing
KING ATTILA4 votes

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Wrong. Because you are solo players, to win, you HAVE to communicate, otherwise you lose. And the chances of having a dumbass on your team are statistically lower than on the enemy team (Unless you are also a dumbass)

Because you are solo players you also rely on your skill rather than your premades to win.

Dynamic que doesnt involve skill. It involves people with voice chats and premade strategies against solo players. It involves better players carrying worse ones. It involves one team actually having a disatvantage from the start of the game. It involves not having skill, but friends.

Exactly.

Oelyk3 votes

What magical land is this were solo players want to communicate more, heaven?

Dextix LT8 votes

Its called platinum and above.

brusli8 votes

{quoted}

Every point you used to "prove" dynamic queue is bad is true for solo queue as well. I have yet to see any sort of number or actual evidence that dynamic queue is causing a more negative environment for solo players other than vague feelings or frustrations. I understand the frustrations of ranked, but blaming dynamic queue for it without anything to back it up just isn't the solution.

Dude the reason of a ranked game...is to prove ur better in a queue then others...and most importantly to try to up a ladder where u can improve ur skills as a unique player...dinamic q just fcked this...just transformed ranked in a game where u win by lottery if ur team premades is better then enemy`s.

DefNotABot7 votes

Most of the players here I'm sure play both dynamic and soloq. I almost exclusively smurf now from diamond and I have noticed some pretty drastic differences between dynamic queue and soloq. In dynamic queue, on a team of completely non smurfs and voice communication, I have a higher winrate (roughly 85-90%) in silver compared to previous seasons. My team trusts me and tends to focus the team comp completely around me. I can rely on guaranteed help if I am struggling or being camped and when I telegank (I love teleganking), I can coordinate much easier and formulate more complicated plans than soloq possibly could. Tower diving is easier and less risky since I can tell my team which spells are up, who's tanking and how much they should tank, and if enemy reinforcements are coming. I tend to completely ignore pings from anybody if I'm using voice chat simply because voice chat is faster/easier/and drowns out the noise of in game. Now in Soloq, my winrate has dropped from the roughly 85% on my best champs to 65-70%. My KDA on my best champs have dropped significantly. There's a lot of reasons for this. My playstyle has been to abuse poor communication on the enemy team. I'll ward the enemy jungle if I'm mid and go for a quick gank on the enemy jungler if I see an opportunity. I'll steal enemy jungle camps and sometimes I'll pretend to leave lane and hide in ambush to kill my laner if he follows. The problem arises that for a soloq player, if I'm playing against an enemy premade, they tend to camp me if they see my KDA before game. They'll drop a lot more wards in their jungle if they know I'm prowling around and if I telegank, my team will generally ignore my pings and the enemy premade will react a lot faster and have a better plan than previous seasons. If I fall behind, my team will deem me useless (and I don't blame them they only see my score, not my overall skill) and they tend not to help me. If I pull ahead, I'm more likely to have to deal with multiple opponents with my team thinking I'm doing fine enough on my own, not realizing that a little bit of help could turn me from being ahead, to being an absolute monster. I'm not saying that soloq should come back so we can abuse poor coordination. The fact that teamwork is being amplified is not inherently a bad thing. Having more wards and forming plans faster is actually a healthy thing for the game. In that sense, dynamic queue is great for this game. However a lot of playstyles are being hurt from these changes, especially soloq players and hard carry players. Players who have advanced in rank purely on destroying their opponent in lane and snowballing have a harder job against premade players, especially if they're soloq and can't rely on help from a team. Shotcallers from soloq are gutted when premades decide they trust each other more than some random. Soloq communication is much harder. Riot has previously said they don't want people to have to use 3rd party applications in order to stay competitive but having an enemy team using voice chat is much harder to beat than having one where there are cracks in communication. Not every premade wants to use voice communication either or simply cant. I know a 9 year old girl who I frequently play with and her dad and she never uses her mic because she's shy. Sometimes her dad's wife is sleeping so he won't use his mic either. The only solution to this would be to implement a voice chat for in game but that most players don't seem to want it and that would create more problems than it would solve.

Lisdexic12 votes

You are all discussing the game play for SQ / DQ and repeating the same things as last week / month.

What you should be doing is asking each other "Why do people play games?"

People spend "time" playing games instead of watching TV or pursuing other hobbies. The time they do this is after school, after work, or on the weekend. The vast majority of the people who log onto the game do not have friends that play or want to bother including other people in their "relaxation" time.

Since gaming is a TV replacement for most, consider it this way:

**What would happen if you could only watch your favorite TV show if you had 3 or 4 friends in the room with you first?

Oh, you can watch whatever else you want by yourself, but if you want the "good shows" you have to gather 3 or 4 other people together first. **

Most people want to jump on their PC, grab a quick game or two, and then do something else on weekdays.

With the current setup you waste 5 times longer than last season just looking for a match, then get put into a game you feel is unfair 50% of the time if you queue up as a solo player.

The result is unsatisfying and makes other games or hobbies seem better places to sink our time.

BlastTyrant9 votes

I don't normally post here but i do lurk the forums and i do have to say, as of late my MM has been the worst i have seen since i have started playing. The last few days i have been matched with Pre-made teams who are 90 wins, 200 wins, 150 wins and are being placed by guys like me with well over a thousand. So these low level pre made teams are being placed with me and going against teams who are my level and they end up being destroyed, and this is now happening on a regular basis where i essentially have to chalk it up as a loss because my 4 man pre or even 3 man pre gets wrecked.

Soya8 votes

I disagree with Dynamic, Solo should return soon...

franticFurball6 votes

Daily reminder to Riot that I have a ton of fun in Overwatch right now.

And unless you give SoloQ back, you won't see any $$$ from me, nor will I be available for your DynamicGarbage as a premade filler.

Thumpin5 votes

I swear, we aren't being dishonest or trying to dodge the issue! - Riot Socrates

CoffeeDave5 votes

As much as we remind Riot and as loud as we say it, I don't think SoloQ is coming back this season. I've given up on ranked this year and hoping that soloQ will return in some form next year.

Dextix LT4 votes

Its coming SOON(tm), just like the reworked tribunal, or replay system, or sandbox mode.

60751609DEL15 votes

I've tried to be lenient on Riot and see things their way, with the implementation of Dynamic Queue, but the more I play it, the more I detest it. With players being able to queue up with as many players as they please, it can become quite meddlesome for us lone wolves to deal with premades both on our team*, and on the enemy team. If Riot doesn't want to remove this system, then that is fine. But at least try to fix it so that us solo queue players can get paired up with and against other solo/duo queue players by means of having the option available.

*Just to clarify, I don't like to be paired up with a team of premades simply because of the fact that I could potentially become a victim to their harassment with very few ways to defend myself, if things go south, or if things don't go their way. It has happened before numerous times. There has been times where I would get Bottom as a role, but my team filled with premades will harass me just so that their teammate can have Bottom, then things will go one of three ways: I say "no," and they threaten to report me or whine, I say "no," and they kindly accept it, or more often then not, I say "yes," to avoid conflict, and I get some other role that I'm not very good with.

Jet Sett5 votes

I play with friends a lot, but I've recently realized how toxic 4 man premades are; when me and my friends did it we were only communicating with each other via Skype, Curse, Teamspeak, etc.

When I played with a 4 man premade they kept making annoying inside jokes and making big decisions without me (granted I'm used to just going off what I see my team doing, we didn't chain our abilities right.)

Moral: if you're going to play with friends, any amount other than 4 is good. I have no insight on playing against premades besides it's almost always unpleasant.

Seiferoth5 votes

Just fought a 4MAN(on my other acc), I didn't even have an allied 4-man to make up for their coordination LOL

Also Thanks for creating clubs... so my MINDSET is CHANGED BEFORE THE GAME Seeing 4 people with the same Club Tag.. already puts me on OH god I have to counter voice communication with perfect play? already on tilt before the game starts...

Fovere4 votes

Forcing all people to be subjected to premades in ranked, which was previously the only relatively stable place to play games, was an incredibly bad move.

Niaphim4 votes

I've had a game recently when our mid was pressuring their mid quite hard, but instead of helping with 1-2 ganks their jungler kept coming botlane to help his buddies (3-man premade). We barely managed to hold off, still got killed 1-2 times, but then their mid who was 0-3 at 20 mins in an unfavorable matchup wrote in all chat that he was flamed by them for "feeding". Turned out to be an easy 5v4 game in the end, and I can't even blame this person for giving up. Premades are toxic. Period. Exponentially more toxic than toxic solo players.

SpaceCaptViral3 votes

Pretty much this, I have refused to even duo-queue to not abuse this broken system. This is my NA smurf btw if you are wondering why no rank.

Der Lindwurm3 votes

Dynamic boost is killing the game. Matchmaking is a complete joke and they are enabling low level play. I guess as long as esports is attracting enough attention they don't think it should concern them that the real backbone of the player base, players who aren't pro but also aren't so casual that they'll forget about this game and move on to other games after a few months, consider the game defunct?

Shifue Draven2 votes

Started a petition lets go boys and girls.

https://www.change.org/p/riot-games-we-the-players-request-that-riot-games-bring-solo-queue-back?recruiter=381682392&utm_source=share_for_starters&utm_medium=copyLink

Obungo 2 votes

"We the players"

The only players here on the forums are baddies bitching about solo queue, not representative at all.

Aheadatime10 votes

Greetings. I was plat last season, placed gold this season. Quit playing ranked due to the constant mismatches. I have tons of friends who play this game, but they're all bronze/silver level players. I want solo queue, yet I'm not;

  1. A loser with no friends
  2. A 'baddie'

Your narrow and rude point of view is illogical and not well thought out. Please refrain from spreading such stupidity and negativity in the future. If you have a legitimate argument on behalf of dynamic queue, I'd love to hear it.

LeBlanc Jameś2 votes

2100 people saw this post and only 206 care enough to up vote for solo queue.

yeah... [slayer-jinx-wink]

Obungo 1 votes

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nice table2 votes

welcome to made up statistics, flaming people disagreeing with him and claiming ignorance while being clueless and supporting his argument with made up statistics. so ... do you happen to be a feminist or the society is just going to shit?

EDIT: never mind i just realized you are the same retard thats saying the same shit on every thread.

Lucky Charms5 votes

Even though I completely agree with you about the fact that he's making up statistics and I myself want Solo Que back.. what the hell does him maybe (read as probably not) being a feminist have to do with anything? Did you try to insult him by saying that or what, I don't get it? You unnecessarily shat on your own argument.

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