Title. It is that simple. I am tired of explaining why. I have said this dozens of times in this boards. Many others have done this as well. I do not want premades neither in my team, nor in the enemy team. It is that simple. I could explain all the reasons, but I believe Riot employees have read them all during this season. And we all know them. I feel those topics should not stop, because lot of us what the true Solo Queue.
Fovere47 votesDQ is just an unpleasant game environment.
The solo players aren't allowed to even know when they are with premades.
But if something goes wrong, its the ones not in the group who will get targeted for harassment, and they won't understand why.
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Fovere3 votesThis is something I don't get. I frequently play ranked as 2-4 man premade, and if the game isn't going well because of my friends, I'll tell them. To be honest, I think banter like that is really fun when playing with friends. I think you just get the impression that premades only flame solos because (in most cases) they won't use the chat to "flame" their premades, but will use it to flame the solo players.
I started playing ranked to avoid premade groups around Season 2/3. League was magically a much healthier place.
It doesn't take a very big leap of imagination to understand why and how premades are abusive.
I see it all the time, both directed against me and against another solo on the team in the case of 3x premades where I am outperforming.
When you need someone to blame, you are going to look outside your group of friends. That shouldn't be hard to understand. It's also not difficult to understand that quite a lot of people get upset when they lose, regardless of the reasons for it, and like to direct that anger and frustration onto another person.
The solo player is basically at the mercy of the premade. They technically aren't allowed to quit the game, and would have to mute the entire team to avoid the trash talking and even then, they have to stress about the premade soliciting reports and opinions from other players and whether or not it will get them in trouble.
It's not fun. I don't want to mute my entire team just to be able to survive a 30-50 minute game.
BluePolarizer6 votesI was blamed for being a "useless trash jungler" despite getting all lanes fed, because my boosted silver ADC in a "plat" game refuses to hit towers and wants to farm to 6 slots for "late game". Then I figure out that mid and bot are a trio.
GayFluffyUnicorn4 votesGod how i hate that. When i'm playing my mid with a strong midgame champion (zed, lb or gp) and win so hard that we could easily end the game around 25 mins and the other losing lanes come up with: we win that late and proceed to just farm into 50 minutes where we will finally lose the game u KNOW they are boosted af.
KeepAmericaGreat2 votesThe worst is when you're solo and your whole team is solo too.
Then after the game you realize over half their team is pre-made...
Dominick Destine25 votesConcur.
True Solo Queue please.
SSShutTheDuckUp9 votesTrue Solo Queue is what a lot of people want
Imperatricis11 votesat this point i don't even care what game mode, ranked or unranked, I just want something that can allow solos to compete against solos.
The ironic thing is, everything that is catered towards premades NEEDS solo players to work, and yet those exact solos are fucked the hardest
lolptwo14 votesTrue Solo Q would make me comeback to League I won't even deny it. That simple
iainB859 votesRiot has pretty much told solo queue players to go fuck themselves at this point.
I'm playing for a bit during this awkward period between Overwatch beta end and release, but this game is pretty much dead. I hope there is a special place in game design unemployment hell for the idiots calling the shots over at Riot right now.
Secretlolz7 votesYup, Want the real soloQ back please
Pykel6 votesi keep saying, i hated duo que already and now i get quad ques :((
Snowplosion5 votesWhy can I get other solos in my games but no-one else can...
CaptainAsasin5 votesThey are pretending not hearing their customers' need.
Chake14u5 votesAgreed
A Duck on Quackk4 votesfully agree, league has become somewhat un-enjoyable since there is premades everywhere, being singled out every game, flame, no help, being reported for nothing, the list goes on
PrOkiU4 votesNo SoloQ = No more RP
ImmortalBloodCY4 votesI am a soloist support.
I dont care if i am with premades or against premades as long as my ADC is not an idiot.
Steven Mcburn3 votesThe thing most people don't get is this queue existed before, in normals.
Now it exists in ranked too.
I stopped playing normals in s2 because I got tired of playing with 3/4 man premades and ranked offered a way to be solo and only play with duos at max. I stopped playing this season because there isn't a queue for that anymore.
There is so much more variance in the ladder because of this system. It's just ridiculous that it's gone on this long, pretty sure I wouldn't even come back if they added solo queue at this point. Whole seasons been a joke, they're basically going from s5-s7 with one long pre-season in between the two. Just compare the MSI games or whatever tourney they're holding right now to what the actual current game looks like. Is it the same? Not even close. Those types of changes mid season are generally reserved for "oh if we really mess it up pre-season we can change it before the season starts".
OtakuBurrito3 votesI feel the solo and duo queue should come back instead of dynamic queue tbh.
As a support main, it's frustrating going solo because my adc an I may not synergize well and that's frustrating. WhIle I'm all for true solo queue I also am for dynamic queue/duo queue because it's honestly hard to find an adc you mesh with and I hate that a lack of synergy in my lane can demoralize my entire team.
No one wants to be the reason team morale is so low and if I can avoid that I'd very much like to.
SirKillsOlot3 votesit would actually be more fair to lump all of the pre-made teams into a team builder/team filler queue to go against full 5x pre-made teams than to put true solo queuers into matches against 2-man, 3-man, and 4-mans
it's really not fair to enter solo queue and have to play against a pre-made team that has experience together, possibly team speak, and higher level of communication than 5 random strangers... it's really not a solo queue, or built in mind for people who actually login and play solo.
solo queue rank isn't real, it's basically duo/pre-made rank
also, people who actually queue up solo have so many more disadvantages by sheer probability alone compared to pre-mades: -1-4x more trolls -1-4x more afk -1-4x more feeders -1-4x more d/c's -1-4x more "generally less skilled team mates" -1-4x less thought out team composition/synergy -1-4x less adapted play styles/familiarity -1-4x less communication/team speak
really just a lot of disadvantages of playing solo, and it can be so inversely beneficial to be pre-made, but it's all lumped into solo queue....
Dr W3 votesLost a lot of respect for Riot for how they are handling this dynamic queue situation.
Masochist2 votes"A lot of us" being maybe a couple thousand, probably less than that on these boards. I haven't seen a thread with the Op upvoted more than a couple hundred times.
I believe most people are happy with Dynamic queue.
Preußen Ruhm9 votesI believe you are wrong, now we both stated opinions with no basis.
Masochist2 votesNah, look at the threads. The sample size is tiny. The boards represents the boards and that's it.
None of the people I've played with, wither with a team queue of four or five, or solo queuing, has had a problem with dynamic queue.
A very, very tiny minority of the playerbase visits the boards. This is not an opinion with no basis, this is a cold, hard fact.
The Whamboozler4 votesWell by that logic, only a fairly small number of players grind ranked at all. An even smaller number make it to high elo. An ever SMALLER number become pro players and play in the LCS or at worlds.
Yet, Riot often makes choices based around the games played by those handful of players at the professional level. A lot of said pro players have spoken out about disliking dynamic queue.
Riot isn't changing it because they're stubborn and refuse to admit their new thing is awful... not because they're blind to the outcry against it OR because they don't feel enough people are upset about it. They started it to get more people to drag their friends into league... and they're not going to drop it because backpedaling on a choice they've made offends them somehow.
Masochist1 votesTotally different situations, all based on skill. Esports is highly lucrative both financially and in terms of bringing people into the fold of League of Legends. It is much more visible than the forums, and the game in general. They balance around those high skill people because they are the ones people look up to and strive to be.
"A lot of pro players" - that doesn't matter either. That's more anecdotal evidence. lol I don't think you understand arguing, or logic here.
Dynamic queue has nothing to do with skill.
You do not hear much, if anything, from the multitudes of people who do enjoy dynamic queue. You only hear from the people who don't.
It has nothing to do with stubbornness.
And you can't really speak as to their decision making processes.
Really, just a poor, emotional argument.
Looking at the cold hard facts - less people complain about solo queue than either people who don't like it and don't come to the forums to complain or the people who actually enjoy it.
Hell, many of my friends only play League anymore because of dynamic queue.
You people really have no ground to stand upon.
So keep thinking you're the voice of League of Legends. It really doesn't matter.
The Whamboozler4 votesMy... how insulting. Thanks for keeping it civil, buddy.
Well, I'm not going to bother continuing to debate this with someone who is taking shots. You strike me as smug and dismissive of others and nothing anyone will say will earn any response but insults and scorn. You like dynamic queue... good for you. Since riot has decreed it's here to say, I guess you win.
Congrats.
Masochist1 votesNo, I've seen these same responses - literally anything you could possibly say in response to me, civil or not, repeated ad nauseum on these boards on this particular subject. There's no patience left, and I sincerely don't care what you think.
Fact of the matter is - none of us can really look at this objectively.
You don't like solo queue - good for you, you'll just keep whinging uselessly on the forums saying the same exact shit over and over and over and over again. It's tedious.
The Whamboozler2 votesThen why bother reading a topic posting about it? Why bother responding at all?
Either you're lying and you do give a crap, or you're just a bitter, pissy troll who only came on the forums to insult people and act like a jerk. Either way.... pretty sad.
Masochist1 votesWhat do I have to be bitter about? LOL
All this psychoanalyzing. Hilarious.
I'm not a troll, I'm giving genuine opinions and arguments here.
I mean, I'm glad I'm not as sensitive as you, because if you think anything I've said, especially in that long-winded post of mine, or calling people whiners, or saying you're whinging, is INSULTING... well. I'm sorry(not sorry).
Why bother responding at all? Boredom? Repetition is kind of a pet peeve of mine.
The Whamboozler2 votesYou don't care at all... eh? Well, fair enough. Then I'll stop wasting your time. I foolishly thought that you were talking because you had something to add beyond insults, arrogance and stupidity. My mistake.
Masochist1 votesLol, you're complaining about these supposed insults while calling me arrogant and stupid.
Get out of here, you sensitive little dandy. Now that's kind of an insult you can actually complain about.
The Whamboozler2 votesBut you still don't care, right? That's why you hang out on the boards refreshing it to shit post, right?
Masochist1 votesI come to the League of Legends website every so often, and there's these notification things at the top right hand corner of the page, right?
No, no, I sit and frantically refresh this stuff. Yessiree bob.
Oh, and any and all posts and posters that don't agree with you are shit posting. Yep, yep, yep.
The Whamboozler2 voteslol, you're still going. This shit is pretty funny. Just HAVE to get in the last word, eh? That way you "win". Right?
Tufio2 votesAll riot want is to push groups since premade player > solo player for $$$
That's all, is time to "maximize the profits"
We will see if this work for them or not.
GayFluffyUnicorn2 votesshort-term yes. Long-term? no. They will move over to the next shiny AAA title and leave league. That happened to every game EVER, still riot thinks they can do it better.
Tufio2 votesshort-term yes. Long-term? no. They will move over to the next shiny AAA title and leave league. That happened to every game EVER, still riot thinks they can do it better.
the thing is, lol is likeley already in decline from 2014... (when riot stopped annuncing user numbers)
so is not really about growning (they capped already long ago) but maximising the profits.
GayFluffyUnicorn2 votesYeah that's another thing that bothers me. There are no official numbers or i can't find any numbers atleast. When i play on my lvl 22 smurf i don't see any real new players at all. Smurfs only. Maybe 1/10 in every game who is REALLY new and don't understand the game at all.
Quepha2 votesYou want something that has never existed in League and would have detrimental effects for people who were trying to play a team game with a team of people they like to play with.
SSShutTheDuckUp3 votesI never said I want DQ to vanish. Player-base is more than enough for DQ and pure Solo to coexist.
Lydia in Doorway2 votesWoW used to separate premades from solo/small groups for battle grounds. Riot could do the same for reasons you've already stated.
Quepha2 votes[{quoted}](name=Lydia in Doorway,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yyEA0AAO,comment-id=000e00000000,timestamp=2016-05-15T11:21:59.178+0000)
WoW used to separate premades from solo/small groups for battle grounds. Riot could do the same for reasons you've already stated.
Did you need a full premade to go into that premade queue? Or were they composed of multiple medium sized groups?
ROITisToxic2 votesHere is a few reasons why we want Solo Q, incase you forgot or if u even care riot.
1.Premades lead to a Very Toxic gaming environment for solo/new players. you are guaranteed to be unnecessarily harassed/reported by premades for any mistake or even for just not doing what they expect in a teamfight. Making solo players and new players get pissed and dislike the game/community.
Solo Q is a more balanced test of your skills! you dont have to play matches where every time the enemey team has advantages like voicechat/friends that only camp your lane/ set picks and bans before the match even starts.
It gives your game even more diversity! Giving your players another game mode to compete/advance in is a great idea and a simple one! The good aspects far outweighs the bad aspects. This will lead to a better gaming experience for your players and attract new players as well as old players that have left, leading to a happier/larger player base which equals more money for you!
So that being said, we are not asking u to get rid of any current game mode, just add this one please! i can think of only one downside to this and im not even going to say it because its so minor. Riot do what is good for the game please!
Shenmue2 votesi am not playing a single game of league till they add a soloQ even if its not a ranked one i am in that kind of despair and nothing but a soloQ will make me come back to league, dynamicQ is pure evil Cancer
XIII Vanitas1 votesIf you've already realized that Riot doesn't care, then why do you people keep spamming the boards?
GayFluffyUnicorn3 votesMaybe because we have the guts to fight for what we want? If humanity would always say "who cares we can't do shit" we would still be ruled by kings/dictatorships.
FatesDefiler2 voteshumanity is still enslaved to dictators, they are just behind the public eye and thus accountable to no one and nothing. the jesuit freemasons. don't be silly, please.