GW needs to be removed. Lifesteal and other self-healers need nerfs to compensate.

Eedat··158 votes·8,729 views

or we can just keep this dance going where other classes/champions get shit on to deal with ADC draintanking.

Volibear Olaf Trundle DrMundo Illaoi Nasus Yorick XinZhao Warwick Aatrox Akali all getting shafted instead of dealing with the problem directly

Why exactly do other champs needs to get destroyed instead of just nerfing Lifesteal items? Why can't we just remove GW that dumpsters entire champions and then nerf the problem children that crop up? Start with a blanket nerf of lifesteal items.

Throw some preemptive nerfs for Vladimir Fiora Soraka Swain in there

Isn't that a better solution than some mechanic tacked on to random items that leaves entire kits completely cucked? It's getting pretty infuriating that ADCs are destroying entire classes over and over and over again. Lethality items got hijacked by ADCs and the resulting nerfs dumpstered the Assassin class. As a MonkeyKing main I've had to sit through multiple rounds of nerfs to item 3071 and item 3142 because of this fucking guy Lucian. They even highjack shit like item 3047 item 3053 and get them nerfed.

Thank god item 3074 /item 3748 are melee only or else they would be gutted too due to some bullshit item 3085 combo. I GUARANTEE it.

This shit is getting out of control. You need to address the problem directly instead of destroying other champs in the crossfire.

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dunder kill23 votes

Thank god item 3074/item 3748 are melee only or else they would be gutted too due to some bullshit item 3085 combo. I GUARANTEE it.

Side note: Could you imagine how stupid that would be? It would be like giving every single ADC Jinx Rockets

Mhihnj5 votes

item 3085 item 3074 Jinx suddenly becomes meta lol

Sp33d Zer017 votes

You mean season 1? Where Twitch did exactly that with his ult that applied the multiple tiamats he bought on every target he hit with ult?

Pommel Knight1 votes

Tiamat wasn't there in season 1 it came in season 2-3 if I recall correctly.

Auz the Ripper4 votes

Tiamat was one of the original items, more or less, but it didn't build into anything until season 3 when ravenous hydra came out.

Salron19 votes

ADCs didn't "highjack" Tabis, they were overpowered on everyone

Eedat54 votes

Tabi were fine. All of a sudden Pros start building them on ADCs in LCS which trickles down into SoloQ and....... BOOM. Nerfed.

This is even coming from someone who mains MonkeyKing who gets cucked in lane if the enemy buys item 3047

Salron17 votes

Pros were building them on EVERYONE Mids, tops, jungle, supports, adcs

There were some games where you have 6-8 tabis across both teams ADCs arent the sole reason

Critmaster Garen50 votes

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Pros were building them on EVERYONE Mids, tops, jungle, supports, adcs

There were some games where you have 6-8 tabis across both teams ADCs arent the sole reason

which is clearly a sign that adc are overtuned, not tabi.

tabi had existed in their state for a long time. ofc when adc are opressive as fuck, it becomes more important to pick up the few items that make you actually tankier against them than the mr boots.

its a typical knee jerk reaction to nerf tabi which have been bought in response, instead of tuning down marksmen.

SpecterVonBaren36 votes

It was also because we saw the rise of ADC's in every lane and comps with 4/5 of the champions on a team being AD because armor is made of butter so it didn't matter that they all did the same damage type.

It's kind of like how Rammus suddenly became popular after the Marksmen update and then got nerfed. Like... what do you expect to happen when the champions he is specifically designed to counter become meta all over the map?

Eedat19 votes

To be fair it was only ADCs that could abuse Lethality. Other ADCs like Tristana Kalista SivirKindred were borderline troll picks

Jobriq5 votes

lmao RIP Kalista.

SpecterVonBaren25 votes

Rest In Pieces anyway, that monster deserves to be where she is right now until Riot reworks her.

Ahristocats2 votes

hearing you, it's as if kalista is garbage when she's the strongest non-overpowered adc with 50% win rate 5% pick rate

but well, sheeps will follow

SpecterVonBaren4 votes

Compared to where she once was, yes.

LethalTempo Jhin1 votes

it was only ADCs that could abuse Lethality

Talon Zed Jayce Khazix and most notably, Rengar ? Also Graves

Eedat9 votes

Talon yes

Zed barely cracked a 50% WR even in the Lethality Meta

Jayce was completely broken for many month before Lethaility even existed

Khazix yes

Rengar built bruiser

Graves was still building item 1412 into item 3071

Anyway I think you misunderstood my post. I wasnt saying only ADCs abused Lethality. I was saying that only the ADCs that could abuse Lethality were popular while other crit based ADCs were trash

Cowseed6 votes

Can someone explain this bs to me. X becomes powerful because Y is meta. We nerf X because X is the only way to deal with Y and then nerf Y anyways because Y was the problem to begin with making the nerf to X plain pointless.

Kuronii Lumiira4 votes

Riot nerfs X because it's "clearly too dominantly strong", and then after they remove the only way to deal with Y, and Y absolutely takes over, Riot nerfs Y because it's "clearly too dominantly strong", and then leaves X in the gutter because all decisions they make are final and the best decisions ever. Reverting nerfs would be tantamount to admitting they were wrong, after all.

3TWarrior5 votes

and then Z comes around because X and Y are now both weak, a new meta starts and we get "trickle down" stat checks until riot randomly buffs a champion

AMYS GRAVE2 votes

Ah the riot special.

Thilmer7 votes

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which is clearly a sign that adc are overtuned, not tabi.

-Everyone is building ninja tabi because ADCs are strong as hell an armour does nothing. What should we do?

-Nerf ninja tabi! If everyone buys them, those boots must be overpowered.

(Riot's logic).

3TWarrior2 votes

and then the white knights came along, "oh, but those boots have always been overpowered...just no one noticed until now"

Not xPeke2 votes

it's true though. they only noticed them because of LCS.

How many times do certain champions become "OP" or "meta" all of a sudden just because of LCS? They don't need to be buffed or anything.

EDIT: examples? No one played J4 before they started playing him in the LCS recently. Ziggs bot all of a sudden and even played mid.. why? Because of LCS.

Were they buffed? No. Just people are sheep and following others.

Jayce? Same thing. Was literally in the same exact state, barely any buffs. Was really strong even before the lethality meta. Wasn't seen played as much because they stopped picking him in ProPlay.

There's "hidden" OP champs out there that are just waiting for pro players to play them for everyone to call them OP. It's really sad.

It's just sheep realising a champion is strong only after others play it, especially if someone in the LCS did. This happens with items just as much as with champions. Undeniable.

I've always thought Tabi's were a great item, slightly too strong even. People only caught on after it was "discovered" in the LCS because.. sheep.

So yeah, call us white knights for stating a fact.

DaNinad2 votes

I don't think it was intended, but you said "sole" reason. Cause boots have soles. haha

I am very depressed

ZephyrDrake7 votes

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Tabi were fine. All of a sudden Pros start building them on ADCs in LCS which trickles down into SoloQ and....... BOOM. Nerfed.

This is even coming from someone who mains MonkeyKing who gets cucked in lane if the enemy buys item 3047

no, you have zero idea why it even got picked to begin with and are now just throwing ADC hate for no reason other than "it's ADCs fault so it relates to my terrible thread!"

Tabis got picked in comp play when teams were mostly AD based so why would you pick anything else? it helped A LOT against the teamcomps and popular champions at the time. Then they realized how good it was on literally everything that isn't AP. Tabis was good against EVERY SINGLE AD CHAMPION IN THE GAME! you had to face against something whose only AP thread was a mage with little CC? why bother picking merc threads then? when someone who builds nothing but squishy to deal damage still builds an item like this over berserker greaves that gives 35% AS, one of the best scaling boots in the game (if not THE best). Sorry but you fail good sir

hhaavviikk15 votes

tabi's are more popular because riot insists on releasing lots of knock-ups galio has 2 knock-ups and the newest champions also has a knock-up, obviously mercury treads lose usefulness if they don't reduce knock-ups

Blåbæret13 votes

Absolutely love getting kited on Volibear and get shit on due to DW rendering my passive completely useless.

Jobriq4 votes

Morellonom has been doing that ever since Volibear existed

B4NX1 votes

Stop getting kited. Easy. Problem solved.

notice me Sin pi13 votes

how to not get kited: demote myself to bronze 5, where no one knows how to kite.

High elo players are really good at kiting, and there's a reason most juggernauts become less viable as tier goes up

DaNinad9 votes

New Volibear build

item 3742 item 3009 item 3285 item 3285 item 3142 item 3800

KITE ME NOW YOU ADCS

duhBg0Agmz11 votes

Here's what I don't like: How a Champions entire kit is countered by a 800G item, that's roughly 35 cs. Think about that for a second.

DJPenguu4 votes

Can someone pls tell me what the hell "GW" is??

Eedat2 votes

Grievous Wounds

Grievous Wounds is a debuff that reduces all healing received by 40%.

GW has been added to Thornmail on the PBE which is what spurred this thread

DJPenguu5 votes

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Grievous Wounds

Gotcha lol. Was thinking of an item and i was so confused.

sit kid4 votes

my vayne just healed 50% of her hp off 1 auto

she only had botrk as her lifesteal item

Evil Yasuo3 votes

I've complained all day about how bad assassins have it atm (talon's winrate is laughable) and riot just doesn't seem to care. They'll say "oh yeah! we'll be doing something for assassins here soon!" Which means slow their burst down then nerf their items into oblivion because adc's keep abusing them. They'll comeback and ask "is anyone still playing assassins? No? good! update complete" I don't even know what the point of assassins are anymore seeing as how mages do everything they do but better. -better teamfights -cc -extremely fast burst with no delay -ap so you get real pen items

Gasburger9 votes

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I've complained all day about how bad assassins have it atm (talon's winrate is laughable) and riot just doesn't seem to care. They'll say "oh yeah! we'll be doing something for assassins here soon!" Which means slow their burst down then nerf their items into oblivion because adc's keep abusing them. They'll comeback and ask "is anyone still playing assassins? No? good! update complete" I don't even know what the point of assassins are anymore seeing as how mages do everything they do but better. -better teamfights -cc -extremely fast burst with no delay -ap so you get real pen items

He has a 50% win rate...

devdev4632 votes

[{quoted}](name=Off The Heezy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jHUbToUv,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-06-29T00:21:14.579+0000)

I've complained all day about how bad assassins have it atm (talon's winrate is laughable) and riot just doesn't seem to care. They'll say "oh yeah! we'll be doing something for assassins here soon!" Which means slow their burst down then nerf their items into oblivion because adc's keep abusing them. They'll comeback and ask "is anyone still playing assassins? No? good! update complete" I don't even know what the point of assassins are anymore seeing as how mages do everything they do but better. -better teamfights -cc -extremely fast burst with no delay -ap so you get real pen items

Talons win rate right now is 51%..... What are you talking about?

Glory ln Death3 votes

There will always be people like him. There are a couple of people on the Boards who are adamant that Rammus' update completely gutted him, when his winrate in every elo rose slightly.

dunder kill2 votes

Talon is pretty much the only assassin that made out ok. Oh and Khazix

woodvsmurph3 votes

Tabi craze started with lethality being so strong. It was the cheapest item to give you decent armor without straying too far out of your normal build path on most champs and losing too much damage. That was not a fault of adc's. The rest I agree on though. Ditch grievous or leave it as only specific to some champions and not on any items. Adjust champions with high innate sustain and damage accordingly - as you said.

Envoy of Melody3 votes

Nerf base damage on all ADCs and force them to build damage if they want to be useful.

rtbf2216514123 votes

The whole point of mundo is to self-heal. He's already in a bad spot. He needs a nerf to compensate for his badness?

Wut.

karolmo2 votes

Soraka +Draven + item 3812 + item 3072 = glhf killing this dude w/o GW

sit kid4 votes

read the fucking title god damn

Eedat7 votes

I see you only made it to half the title

Hyped Riven1 votes

wait what is gw short for?

2Behold4 votes

grievous wounds

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