Why on Earth can Mundo frontline 2x longer than traditional tanks while still dealing bruiser level damage and have a ranged perma slow? Why don't all the other tanks have this kind of sustain to enable them to frontline equally as effectively?
MrFawknSunshine9 votesbut he cant do their job better then tanks, he cant cc, peel, engage ,etc that is what tanks do with cc/utility
he is a juggernaut he is tanky slow and immobile and if he gets to you he is gonna do damage
Paroe3 votesbut he cant do their job better then tanks, he cant cc, peel, engage ,etc that is what tanks do with cc/utility
he is a juggernaut he is tanky slow and immobile and if he gets to you he is gonna do damage
Actually, Mundo is pretty capable of all those things.
Bruisers ALL do a tanks job better than a tank because they have more hard CC, more damage, and are generally more mobile with better base stats. Juggernauts are just immobile bruisers.
But... the problem comes from riot not having clear distinctions between tanks and the rest of the fighter category, as most tanks are just fighters with little mobility, little damage, little scaling, and average base stats with itemization that ANYONE can utilize to the same or greater effectiveness.
Edge of Daybreak2 votesWhat bruiser is out cc'ing a tank though? Sure they have more damage in some cases because it's their purpose but they don't have the same level of CC to match tanks. At best I can think of Vi since she has 2 hard CC's her Q and ult but neither is as effective as what most tanks do.
Paroe2 votesWhat bruiser is out cc'ing a tank though? Sure they have more damage in some cases because it's their purpose but they don't have the same level of CC to match tanks. At best I can think of Vi since she has 2 hard CC's her Q and ult but neither is as effective as what most tanks do.
They ALL do a tanks job with MUCH more damage, MUCH more scaling, MUCH more mobility, and about as much CC.
But, again, the problem is mostly that riot has very little distinction between tanks and the rest of the fighter category. Why have a concrete wall when you can have a brick wall covered in spikes?
Theres outliers like 
and 
who have more utility than CC, but theyre not common and fall more under the bruiser family than the tank family.
Edge of Daybreak1 votesAatrox can peel but he cant start a teamfight as well as most tanks or even most of the list here he has no way in other than walking or flash.
Camille can engage however she lacks that massive aoe cc of most tanks. Her ult can cc multiple champions but it's not as hard hitting as most tanks have. Galio is actually a tank so yeah he does a tanks job.
Gragas can definitely do a tanks job. Hecarim can engage with ult but that's kind of it. it's also not as big a cc as most tanks have. Kayn's W isnt even close. Neither is renekton. He literally can only cc on person. Udyr would have to physically run at you and stuin each of you which would take time and it's definitely not aoe.
Riven's AOE is small and short timed cc. I already said vi is a somewhat contender but her CC is usually single target and delayed due to charging.
TL:DR While they can do a similar thing to some tanks it's not nearly as powerful and that's what I am saying.
ZephyrDrake5 votesActually, Mundo is pretty capable of all those things.
Bruisers ALL do a tanks job better than a tank because they have more hard CC, more damage, and are generally more mobile with better base stats. Juggernauts are just immobile bruisers.
But... the problem comes from riot not having clear distinctions between tanks and the rest of the fighter category, as most tanks are just fighters with little mobility, little damage, little scaling, and average base stats with itemization that ANYONE can utilize to the same or greater effectiveness.
Bruisers do not have more hard CC than tanks and they also cannot engage or disangage/peel as effectively as tanks. Sorry to burst your bubble
Ahpe1 votesExcept for these sexy hunks of meat
ENGAGGGGGGGG
Ralanr4 votesOne hard CC ability is more than two?
Delta Shizu2 votesHold your horses, Yorick literally doesnt even have Hard CC, Darius has one, Urgot more or less has one cause his ult doesnt really count, they are pretty much already dead (Unless you are counting the fear part) ,and then Warwick and Hecarim have 2 hard CC. Also, Urgot is sort of not great at disengage if you ask me, hes by no means bad at it but hes no hidden gem in the rough(As much as I may love my good ol’ Urgoth) these guys all do have ALOT of cc overall though. Yorick has his wall and his slow, Warwick has his fear and supress, Urgot has his slow, flip, supress and fear, Hecarim has his stun?(Its a stun right?) and his fear. Lastly is Darius with his like, half a second grab, and his slow, and I guess his fear but if I recall correctly that is only minions. If you want a real CC champion you go to everyones favorite angry drowned guy, Nautilus (You though I was gonna say Pyke didnt you?) l. We have a Root, and engage mobility hook, I.E like a stun, a slow, and an AOE knockup with a short stun. He is very good for engage disengage and cc, but sadly he lacks the higher damage of a bruiser. (Give my baby some damage rito)
Ahpe1 votesor
ZephyrDrake1 votesExcept for these sexy hunks of meat
ENGAGGGGGGGG
what tank has less CC than them? and Yorick? really? the dude who has literally only a slow as a CC?
Ahpe1 votesHis W though.
Baval3 voteshe survives twice as long because no ones attacking him because he cant make them
because hes not a tank.
Edge of Daybreak2 votesAll mundo can do is soak that's why he is basically built to do so. Until Mundo can drop an aoe hard cc to start a fight he will never be able to do the job of a tank better than any of them. Mundo is just good at being a meathead with damage.
Ahpe1 votesHave you ever seen 
go full "My wife divorced me yesterday" on his chicken with 
? That's an AOE Hard CC if I've ever seen one.
Edge of Daybreak1 votesLiterally not how hard cc works. Slowing someone does not stop them from attacking or casting spells nor does it interrupt movement. Also no I can 100% say I havent seen a mundo build iceborn If I did I would ask him if he needs professional help.
Ahpe2 votesIdk man this one time I saw walk into a public washroom all angry and he was holding . All I hear is
#BOOM #BOOM #BOOM #BOOM #BOOM #BOOM #BOOM #BOOM #BOOM #BOOM #BOOM
For a solid 20 seconds. He came back out walking all funny like his left thigh was numb but he had a smile on his face. That's some pretty Hard AOE CC.
JoeAnarchy2 voteswell right now mundo is an exceptional tank, because h has one of the highest base HP stats, and a built in heal. in this meta of OHMYGODSOMUCHTRUEDAMAGE "armor" and "magic resist" tanks aren't cutting it, you need HIGH HP to be a "tank" plus he builds armor and MR, but mostly cares about his HP. so he's just one of the best options atm for that role. if they nerf some of the damage and take true damage off of every item and kit, then maybe traditional tanks will come back into prominence.
Oleandervine2 voteswell right now mundo is an exceptional tank, because h has one of the highest base HP stats, and a built in heal. in this meta of OHMYGODSOMUCHTRUEDAMAGE "armor" and "magic resist" tanks aren't cutting it, you need HIGH HP to be a "tank" plus he builds armor and MR, but mostly cares about his HP. so he's just one of the best options atm for that role. if they nerf some of the damage and take true damage off of every item and kit, then maybe traditional tanks will come back into prominence.
You don't understand what a tank is. Tanks don't just soak damage. Tanks have to engage and use CC to control a fight and protect the back lines. Bruisers can also soak damage, because they're intended to be sturdy damage dealers, which is exactly what Mundo is. Mundo is not an exceptional tank because he cannot control the fight and protect his backline. Sure, he can zone because enemies don't want to be near him, but if enemies choose to ignore him and target his backline, he can do nothing to stop them other than hope he can kill them. He's an awful tank for that very reason.
VoraciousX2 votesRegen tanks are the most toxic tanks in League(There's nothing worse than a champion built to completely negate the damage they just took. I even hate Olaf for this and he's not even a tank), and yes, he's a tank, as he's quite literally built to be unkillable, which is what tanks are. I might also add that the classes people are mentioning with hard CC are specific classes of tanks(For example catchers), not just tanks in general, though most tanks do have hard CC, that's not what they're defined for. Also Juggernauts are meant to be kiteable, and very slow. Mundo has a very high movement speed buff, and a slow bigger than Nasus' that work in tandem with each other. Mundo is nowhere near slow. He's literally made to run circles around everyone.
Blu 12 votesBecause there's so much true damage in the game right now.
You know what counters true damage? Health. You know what Mundo is designed around? Health
More traditional tanks, whether stat tanks (
) or shielding tanks (
), are screwed over harder by true damage than health tanks ( 
)
SwiftKitten881 votes.... being a tank donest mean u deal hard cc.. it meant you're a tanky front line. saying the tankiest champion in the game isn't a "tank" "because he cant hard cc you", is a fundamental misunderstanding of the definition of "tank". being an tank is solely based on your HP and your ability to absorb damage without dying.. it has no reference to your CC, damage or anything else.
it is solely determined by the ability to withstand damage and survive.
if riot wants to make up thier own terms like "juggernaut" or "vanguard" and "bruiser" than sure they can define them anyway they want..
but a TANK is a TANK
ZephyrDrake3 votes.... being a tank donest mean u deal hard cc.. it meant you're a tanky front line. saying the tankiest champion in the game isn't a "tank" "because he cant hard cc you", is a fundamental misunderstanding of the definition of "tank". being an tank is solely based on your HP and your ability to absorb damage without dying.. it has no reference to your CC, damage or anything else.
it is solely determined by the ability to withstand damage and survive.
no, that is not what a tank is in a MOBA. Using that logic then there isn't a tank role at all in the game since anyone can just build tanky. Being a tank and being tanky are two completely different things in a MOBA game
