Hey support players:

Dasdi96··3 votes·445 views

No, warding trinket is not enough vision. You need to get a sightstone so you can do your job in warding. Now you might be thinking "everyone has trinkets that should be enough vision." However, most mid laners and junglers switch to sweeper to try to deny vision, meaning they can't provide vision. Stop trying to make excuses to not build sightstone just because you want to go full ap brand and "carry" your team.

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B00B004 votes

its not just the supports job to provide vision though, sir. hasn't been that way since midS5, you can bet your ass if my ADC is garbage im going full carry mode., they can rot in hell i'll support mid or top or jung, whoever looks to be the actual carry (i will still protect you but wont be a priority)

Grymmstrike2 votes

If you have an issue, go main support instead of bitching.

OurLestrade2 votes

I can't cover the entire map with three wards and a control ward

Zelorxon1 votes

Oh, and also they have to use it, since it can place 50 wards in 30 mins and i never saw a single supp except me, challenger and competitive place more than 20 wards, averaging 16. i place 20 wards with the yellow trinket. Warding too heavy man, i deserve challenjour.

Moooose31 votes

Because 4 wards can definitely cover the entirety of the map. Vision is a team oriented aspect of the game. You need teammates to deep ward with, need all lanes to ward so that you can have full vision and the more people warding you have the more efficient it is, since you can put your wards at the entrances to the enemy jungle and not worry about them coming from a different one that isn't warded, forcing you to place a safer ward that is closer to your lane giving you less time to react.

A lot of the time, people go full damage carry once they put their trinkets down, the enemy jungler walks right over them, and a garbage adc such as yourself runs into the enemy bot lane and feeds a free kill. Once you realize no matter how good your vision is it won't matter because you have a team full of LeeSin you go damage instead :)

ps. 75 gold would go a long way to keeping your lane safe. Maybe try investing in a pink.

Ark Sorcerer1 votes

Maybe try investing in a pink.

Control* A lot of the things you say is true. The biggest issue I have when trying to have vision control is in the late game where I (I am mid) with full build. How can I have much vision control with a full build? Late game warding is harder, is it not?

The Fuzzy 0ne1 votes

Late game you don't need to ward too much, blue will do... I mean chances are that if you can't see them on the map then they're prepping baron/elder anyways

Ark Sorcerer1 votes

Vision is a early and mid game but not a heavy late game thing? Doesn't that make Support essential THE warding player throughout the whole game? Maybe I should say warding is a support thing in the late game while vision denial is everyone else's job?

The Fuzzy 0ne1 votes

I actually think it's more the opposite... denial is more of the support's job, warding itself is a job for everyone since everyone has a limit to how many wards they can place other than those with blue. Anyone who blue ward efficiently has the next best thing to a control ward.

Supports have sweepers=vision denial and a good jungler will likely have one of those as well or a roaming mid laner.

My initial point was just that in the late game is easier to tell where the enemy is because they will be at one of the 2 epics, trying to get into your base or backing from a failed fight.

Ark Sorcerer1 votes

Fair enough. A lot of what you stated makes quite a bit of sense. I am aware that vision is a team effort but I only know of the support and jungler doing it.

Funkin Dunkin1 votes

If they aren't buying sightstone, they are true support players.

Çhåryzård1 votes

No, warding trinket is not enough vision. You need to get a sightstone so you can do your job in warding. Now you might be thinking "everyone has trinkets that should be enough vision." However, most mid laners and junglers switch to sweeper to try to deny vision, meaning they can't provide vision. Stop trying to make excuses to not build sightstone just because you want to go full ap brand and "carry" your team.

Hey buddy,

my sightstone only carries 3-4 charges, I can only have 3 wards on the map at a time and then 1 red ward.

But guess what?

If you use that handy dandy item 3340 you get at the beginning of the game FOR FREE you can add more than 3 wards to the map!

You do not need to get item 3364, usually the jungler AND the support do. There is no reason to have more than 2 red trinkets in the game unless maybe there's champions with lots of traps on their team. What you and the adc SHOULD be getting is item 3363 because it let's you ward bushes without having to facecheck them. There is no reason for you to deny vision, that's the support and the jungler's job.

Stop making excuses for you to not use the free wards you get, it is impossible for the support to ward the entire map for you so maybe you could pitch in a little bit.

I have to PAY for my wards, you get them FOR FREE.

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