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Nidalee strong QQ, Shaco strong Nothing.

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Why is it that when Nidalee is strong everybody and their mother is QQing about it, meanwhile Shaco is allowed to be FoTM, in possession of one of the strongest early games and highest win rate of any jungler ever since his 'rework', yet there's barely anyone on Boards mentioning him. Oh, and to make shit worse, his win rate actually INCREASES with game length thanks to his retarded synergy with certain lategame builds. Then to top it all off, Shaco isn't just strong in Platinum and above, but is consistently sporting an above average win rate in every damned elo, including Bronze, with two current top 10 challenger players being Shaco spammers.

Yet for some reason, I browse Boards like every now and again expecting to see some sane thread documenting Shaco's absurd state upvoted to infinity and beyond, yet see no such thing.

Meanwhile, when Nidalee was strong, every and their mother, including Bronzies, were crying about her, when really her strength was only affecting high Plat and above games, which is less than 1% of the player base, and the odd game here or there where you ran into a legit low ranking godalee

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Unreformed Shaco2 votes

Are you kidding? Shaco nothing?

He has been nerfed 5 separate times in the last 6 patches. In his entire lifetime, he has had 2 buffs. The vast majority of his changes are nerfs and bugfixes.

He is constantly bitched about being OP, but most people realize that he is a very high priority for nerfs, so crying wont do much more.

Strong early game?

Please enlighten me where his early game strength is, given his CC, Duration and damage all scale with rank/level.

His E has 5 base damage early and 3% missing hp, compared to Lee Sins 50 + 8%.

His Q is getting ALL damage removed from it, so now it is just a regular attack.

His Passive is getting nerfed late game.

People who cry about him should honestly just quit the game, because they are obviously too lazy to learn counterplay. Just get out.

Shadòw2 votes

no you get out for maining that cancer champ

ExternalLink2 votes

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Are you kidding? Shaco nothing?

He has been nerfed 5 separate times in the last 6 patches. In his entire lifetime, he has had 2 buffs. The vast majority of his changes are nerfs and bugfixes.

He is constantly bitched about being OP, but most people realize that he is a very high priority for nerfs, so crying wont do much more.

Strong early game?

Please enlighten me where his early game strength is, given his CC, Duration and damage all scale with rank/level.

His E has 5 base damage early and 3% missing hp, compared to Lee Sins 50 + 8%.

His Q is getting ALL damage removed from it, so now it is just a regular attack.

His Passive is getting nerfed late game.

People who cry about him should honestly just quit the game, because they are obviously too lazy to learn counterplay. Just get out.

Nidalee's been nerfed constantly since her rework, I think 11 patches in a row was her longest nerf streak? Get out. LOL, just checked, outside of them hot fixing the retarded AP Shaco trend, and a few bug fixes, Shaco wasn't touched until patch 7.7, this patch.

Difference between Shaco and Nidalee fanbases - Shaco is touched and they cry their damned eyes out, as if they're so hard done by. Nidalee is nerfed and R/Nidaleemains will still be insisting that Nidalee is still strong, you just gotta play her right.

ScissorsNstuff1 votes

nidalee is more toxic and impactful

fuffychan1 votes

What are you talking about? I see people QQing about Shaco all over, AND hes gotten huge nerfs in like every patch. And people are still nonstop complaining.

And its all completely stupid because there are other assassins who are far more powerful AND take far less skill Rengar Khazix Talon Zed etc but people nonstop whine about Shaco.

ExternalLink2 votes

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What are you talking about? I see people QQing about Shaco all over, AND hes gotten huge nerfs in like every patch. And people are still nonstop complaining.

And its all completely stupid because there are other assassins who are far more powerful AND take far less skill Rengar Khazix Talon Zed etc but people nonstop whine about Shaco.

Winrate alone says they're all weaker. Patch history says that Rengar has been nerfed several times more than Shaco since the assassin class update. Bronze Shaco having a higher win rate than every champion you've listed in every tier says otherwise. Ultimately, everything you've said is either misinformed or a blatant lie, delete yourself.

fuffychan1 votes

Winrates dont mean anything. All those champs I listed have a lot of noobs playing them because they are easy to play. The only people who play Shaco are people who main Shaco, obviously their win rate is going to be higher. Shaco has consistently gotten massive nerfs, reducing his base damages by over 50% or even removing them completely. Dont give me this garbage about Rengar losing 5 AD from his stupid necklace.

ExternalLink2 votes

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Winrates dont mean anything. All those champs I listed have a lot of noobs playing them because they are easy to play. The only people who play Shaco are people who main Shaco, obviously their win rate is going to be higher. Shaco has consistently gotten massive nerfs, reducing his base damages by over 50% or even removing them completely. Dont give me this garbage about Rengar losing 5 AD from his stupid necklace.

Except that Shaco's current play rate is over 10%, higher than Rengar's, higher than Zed's, over twice that of Talon's and only beaten out by Kha'Zix's by 3%. Now you're starting to come off as ignorant. Rengar has been nerfed significantly harder than Shaco has since the assassin rework. AD Shaco has been touched with an actual, intended nerf Twice. Meanwhile Rengar has had his Q base damage reduced twice, his Q scaling reduced, his E base damaged reduced, his Q dash ranged reduced, his base Armour reduced, his CC Immunity REMOVED, his ult duration reduced, and his AD scaling on Bonetooth was reduced from 30% down to 20%. Kindly fuck off with your bullshit, okay?

And you're crying because Shaco had 20 / 35 / 50 / 65 / 80 base damage removed, 100, 150, 200 damage shaved off his ult (WHICH WAS DISGUSTINGLY OVERTURNED UPON REWORK) and an AD ratio lowered from 85% to 75%? FYS

Requiemsfire1 votes

Because Nidalee in her prime dumpsters nearly every jungler without even interacting with them. She isn't simply in the jungle meta at this point, she is the jungle meta.

ExternalLink2 votes

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Because Nidalee in her prime dumpsters nearly every jungler without even interacting with them. She isn't simply in the jungle meta at this point, she is the jungle meta.

You're acting like Shaco is oh-so-interactive. He either appears behind you and kills you, or he doesn't. That's it. Everything is on him. He gets to juke for days. He gets to utilise psychological warfare. He gets to run ignite in the jungle, and he gets to ignore enemy vision.

dominusx1 votes

If Nidalee is half strong she can end games by the 10min mark. Shaco can do that in silver but we dont give a fuck about silver. Shaco is more of an end of early game mid game champ atm with the Q stealth changes. Nidalee used to get the buffs and a camp and kill eevrysingle lane take every single enemy camp and back with a full jungle item at 5mins. How do ik? i played her. Shaco is much slower than Nidalee pre nerfs. And Nidalee was complained in high elo never in low elo. Shaco is complained in both cause he is a noob stomper aka soloQue beast.

ExternalLink1 votes

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If Nidalee is half strong she can end games by the 10min mark. Shaco can do that in silver but we dont give a fuck about silver. Shaco is more of an end of early game mid game champ atm with the Q stealth changes. Nidalee used to get the buffs and a camp and kill eevrysingle lane take every single enemy camp and back with a full jungle item at 5mins. How do ik? i played her. Shaco is much slower than Nidalee pre nerfs. And Nidalee was complained in high elo never in low elo. Shaco is complained in both cause he is a noob stomper aka soloQue beast.

Which is why PantsareDragon can carry games on Shaco despite having never played him before. Which is why two Shaco spammers are currently top 10 challenger. Which is why Shaco's highest win rate is experienced in games that end pre-20 minutes.

If there's ever been a win games by 10 min mark, it was Shaco, stop talking out your ass just because you don't want your new freelo to be nerfed. Shaco's kit is literally designed to fuck shit up early, to gank lanes, exert uncanny amounts of psychological pressure, and make people RQ. Shaco, Eve, and perhaps the newly reworked Warwick are the only champions in the game that can force you to alter your play style into a hyper-passive 'please don't gank me one', where you can't trade, or extend at all without fear of getting buttfucked.

dominusx1 votes

i havent played shaco in ranked in the last 3 years and ive played around 1k ranked games in these 3 years LUL and most of them in mid diamond elo.

Dont use the argument of tarzaned to prove a point make your own.

As i said he is a noobstomper just because someone is in high tiers doesnt mean he will always play to his max potential and have his eyes peeled out of their sockets to watch for the orange puff.

Also no. new shaco pre 3-4 point into Q ganks are pretty average at most he gets to fuck you up once he has points in Q so he can possition perfectly behind you. The reason he is strong is because of how fucked up the game dmg is and the synergy with items he gets. Aka the Ezreal syndrome he isnt broken never was outside the runeglaive patch years ago but he abuses items 24/7 1/1 365/365 and always finds a way to become extremenly annoying. This is the cse with the new Shaco aswell. For all i care make him unplayable i always dodge when i have shaco on my team cause most shaco players are useless cheesers.

ExternalLink1 votes

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i havent played shaco in ranked in the last 3 years and ive played around 1k ranked games in these 3 years LUL and most of them in mid diamond elo.

Dont use the argument of tarzaned to prove a point make your own.

As i said he is a noobstomper just because someone is in high tiers doesnt mean he will always play to his max potential and have his eyes peeled out of their sockets to watch for the orange puff.

Also no. new shaco pre 3-4 point into Q ganks are pretty average at most he gets to fuck you up once he has points in Q so he can possition perfectly behind you. The reason he is strong is because of how fucked up the game dmg is and the synergy with items he gets. Aka the Ezreal syndrome he isnt broken never was outside the runeglaive patch years ago but he abuses items 24/7 1/1 365/365 and always finds a way to become extremenly annoying. This is the cse with the new Shaco aswell. For all i care make him unplayable i always dodge when i have shaco on my team cause most shaco players are useless cheesers.

All false conjecture. Go away.

Maximum Morde1 votes

Probably because when Nidalee is even close to strong she's in every damn match. Shaco pick rate rises, but not like Nidalee's. That makes her annoying as fuck.

llIllIllIllIll1 votes

Shaco is a lot rarer than nidalee, when Nidalee is meta you see her everygame

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