It's Begun. Shaco sitting at a 54% wr and a high playrate?

Can confirm this was the reason Rengar mains posted

Rengar mains brigaded and whined for like a week straight and blew up the boards with revert Rengar threads that just read like a bunch of salt that they couldn’t oneshot in the same way as before. They manipulated the upvote system in order to make it look like a lot of people agreed with them when in fact it was just r/rengarmains brigading the entire gameplay board.

If that’s not shameful, I don’t know what is.

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To be fair both those champions have received massive reworks and then consistently nerfed afterwards.. repeatedly... so I can at least sympathize with their plight.

It is because like Shaco, their reworks missed the mark completely, failing to solve the main problem with their kits

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And if the game continues the way it is currently there wont be 60 million players

The same sort of elitist mentallity plagued world of warcraft pvp and look what happened to that

Actually WoW PVP was never very good and certainly not well balanced because they always had to factor in the impact on PvE (which more people played) whenever they wanted to balance PVP. Then Ghostcrawler got ahold of the game in WOTLK and decided in his infinite wisdom to make arena games last 2 minutes instead of 20. That was the beginning of the end of serious WoW pvp.

Anyhow, you balance around professional players because that's the only objective way of balancing. You can't balance the game around the other 60 million because that 60 million doesn't even know what balance looks like. They're too bad to understand it. Why do you think Ryze and Azir have awful winrates yet they're played often in competitive?

The best way to make both parties happy is to get rid of cheesy stuff like one-shots while also adding depth to a champion's kit. This makes it harder to counter (thus more attractive to pros) while making it less annoying to play against (thus less annoying for pubs).

Sorry, but that kind of mentality is what kept Azir and Ryze broken for a very, very long time because their kits were categorically unbalanceable between high and low elos. Like it or not, but a very large key stakeholder for Riot is their ESports and that's here to stay as long as they have an audience, and therefore balance changes will always (and shoul) take pro play into account.

Furthermore, you don't have to be that high in elo to notice balance offenders. There are definitely champion mains who can abuse overtuned or broken kits even if they're difficult to pilot even in Plat. Chess isn't balanced around beginners who can't use Pawns effectively, and League shouldn't catter to Bronzies who should try to get better at the game instead of complaining that Warwick is unfair.

They come from the 60 million pool once they are good enough and then they know balance. Granted, sure. In that entire 60 million, some non professional players have grounds to talk balance because technically there are other barriers to pro play besides skill. But the vast, super majority still shouldn’t be balanced around. And it’s the vast super majority that cry for the stupidest nerfs like master yi and Morgana Q.

Plus, the loudest voices come from low Elo. Notice how it’s the champions abused in challenger and that high elo streamers talk about/pro players talk about that get nerfed. Most of boards is garbage, including me. Most of Reddit is garbage. Most of everyone is garbage. Including me. (I say this so you don’t feel the need to point out my rank as if I’m above it all.)

However, if you’d like to discredit posts with insults, ill step down to your level. Isn’t it moronic that you shit out that sad excuse of a post without so much as thinking of the implications of balance and how most complaints work? I’d prefer not to play a game that is balanced around low elo garbage like me. 90% of players are below gold 5. 90%. You want the game balanced around gold? You’re delusional and should feel ashamed you even made this forum post in the first place.

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patch 8.6

we're playing in 8.7

wp

OP.gg does aggregate for new patches, so that's 8.6 plus the start of 8.7. Despite the "nerfs" his WR has slightly ticked up and his play rate more the double in 8.6