[{quoted}](name=Don Pavoni,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=izf99725,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2015-07-11T14:41:07.449+0000)
the main problem with his crit scaleing is that there are little crit items that are usefrull for bruisers since Atma's is gone...
It's mostly yomuu's that he can use...getting an IE would be massive luxury...
yes. ghostblade and i.e. are pretty much the only crit items available to him. having the critical strike damage apply as a separate damage isntance would be one possibility to make the stat a bit more rewarding, even if you dont have a lot of it.
at least in combination with a cleaver. i think the fact that it only partially applies to his spin kindof hurts him in that area.
honestly, it would actually be nice if they flattened out the crit scaling on his spells, similar to how they did it with ashe. right now you kindof have to pray to rngesus that his decisive strike crits. it makes his damage rather unrealibale.
but then that second suggestion wouldnt work, as he would basically crit on every tick on his spin with a small crit chance already.
imo flattening out the crit damage on his spells and fully applying it instead half of it would work. especially since its a lategame stat for him. investing more gold into it past ghostblade is usually not possible.
for me, infinity edge is kindof a 6th item. and only, if the enemy team doesnt have too much armor and i need a last whisper instead.
[{quoted}](name=Ser Garland,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=izf99725,comment-id=00030000000000000000,timestamp=2015-07-11T14:01:23.068+0000)
You have three damage items on Garen? No. Two is your maximum.
if you want to be a useless hunk of hp, then youre free to ignore damage on him. garen needs to build damage to deal damage. and as far as i see the champion, the defensive steroids he has are there so he can get more tanky than most other champs by building only 2 or 3 defensive items and go all out on offense with the rest.
the problem is, if you dont you basically have no impact at all on a fight. full tank garen only works if his team is already carrying. because he deals no damage on his own and only has his ult. if you want to see what happens when garen builds too tanky, check out the chinese pro game, where that one guy picked garen. he had literally 0 impact, because every time he cought out the enemy kog maw, he dealt no damage and just got wrecked in a 1v1 much like i described in the op.
building tank garen can actually just make a situation worse, as youre just giving the enemy adc more ammunition against you, if he has a bork and a last whisper in his inventory. more hp means he lifesteals more off you.