is it me or kassadin is disgustingly strong..

SirTeemoMushroom·Jan 7, 2017·2 votes·2,039 views

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Ad Vitam AeternaJan 7, 20174 votes

Full build late game? That can be said for almost any champ.

SirTeemoMushroomJan 7, 20171 votes

no,this is the usual build of kassadin players..

J EevoJan 7, 20172 votes

he means that most games end before you even get your fourth item

Nameless VoiceJan 7, 20173 votes

The problem with Kassadin isn't really that he's disgustingly strong as such, but that his kit doesn't really have much counterplay when he is strong.

That means that if a Kassadin can manage to get through his weak early game and actually get those strong items, he's not much fun to deal with because there doesn't feel like much that you can do against him. He teleports on top of you and unloads his full damage as burst. If that burst is enough to kill you, there's little you can do.

It's the same problem that a lot of assassins had, and many still do. Old Katarina for example - if she was fed enough, she could kill her enemies with just QEW, practically instantly, and with no chance for counterplay.

They tried to rework the various assassins to stop them from being able to do that, to varying success, but Kassadin was not one of the ones changed.

Magi MayvinJan 7, 20171 votes

all the assassins are still like that,nothing changed they just gave them buffs or changes that didn't solve anything(saying this as an assassin player,mainly kha'zix)

Deity ExcaliburJan 7, 20171 votes

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all the assassins are still like that,nothing changed they just gave them buffs or changes that didn't solve anything(saying this as an assassin player,mainly kha'zix)

Actually, they made the window in which you don't die much bigger compared to old assassins but you will still die if you are alone. Their intended purpose for the rework was to give teammates a chance of saving their carries if an assassin bursted in onto them, it wasn't to give the carries tools to actually deal with them, because that«s the thing. Assassins are meant to outscale and outdamage carries in 1v1s, they get destroyed in skirmishes and teamfights if the enemy team is somewhat competitive.

Magi MayvinJan 7, 20171 votes

Exaplin how does the fizz rengar and talon rework give them a bigger time to react to their attacks.Even Kha feels the same, they might've nerfed the q dmg a bit but they buffed his passive so it's the same thing.The only reworks where they kinda did do what they wanted to get out of this rework is the leblanc and kata ones but at the same time they made those 2 pretty broken and harder to deal with

Deity ExcaliburJan 7, 20171 votes

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Exaplin how does the fizz rengar and talon rework give them a bigger time to react to their attacks.Even Kha feels the same, they might've nerfed the q dmg a bit but they buffed his passive so it's the same thing.

Talon ? You need to hit the target with all the abilities and THEN proc the passive to kill (you need a basic hit), in exchange, your mobility is limited and much more easier to predict. (His Q range is very low, his E is situational.) Rengar ? It gives you time to see whose target he is far more closer to thanks to his new ult mechanic and they made sure his damage stays relevant to an ability and not from crits, meaning there's a higher gap where you can interrupt him. But his W ignoring CC is kinda busted, that's not the assassins' fault, it's riot.´ Fizz? You need your ult to do anything at all and it is telegraphed as fuck, any tank will eat it if you just throw it blatantly, you need to be smart. Kha zix wasn't changed.

Magi MayvinJan 7, 20171 votes

kha'zix's changes were almost as big as rengar's also Rengar is no way near what you said, he can kill an adc with his first basic from the ult and a Q.I don't see how is hitting 3 abilities with talon so hard since all you need to do is ult q w basic and they're done and fizz's dmg just got buffed,the only thing they nerfed on fizz is the fact that ur ult does pretty much nothing if you hit it in close range and that they nerfed the ad tank builds on him.

Denims Wrath666Jan 7, 20171 votes

its mostly the scaling burst items. echo, proto,lich ratios are still kinda high. they nerfed shaco into the ground because of this build, basically.

Miror BJan 7, 20171 votes

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its mostly the scaling burst items. echo, proto,lich ratios are still kinda high. they nerfed shaco into the ground because of this build, basically.

Kinda, they actually nerfed shaco because he had zero counterplay at all stages of the game with that build (wheras kass is ridiculously weak in the early game, to the point in which he sorta suffers from the "ryze factor" in that he needs all those items to be at all relevant).

SirTeemoMushroomJan 7, 20171 votes

after he gets level 6 + first time , the enemy team is the one who suffers tho..

Miror BJan 7, 20171 votes

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after he gets level 6 + first time , the enemy team is the one who suffers tho..

Not really. Look at his overall base damages/mana costs, and he's easily one of the most item-needy characters in the game (I'd put him tied with ryze/anivia/karthus in that aspect). The less mana/AP he has the less damage he does, and even then proper warding eliminates almost the entirety of his kit (as unless he's massively fed then he kinda needs flanks to do work).

Ad Vitam AeternaJan 7, 20171 votes

That so? https://www.champion.gg/champion/Kassadin/Middle

He loses most of his games with a 49 percent win rate, your whole theory of him being broken goes out the window.

SirTeemoMushroomJan 7, 20171 votes

Win Rate 49.53% Play Rate 2.73%

there are barely people playing kassadin... so the win rate doesn't matter ^__^

Ad Vitam AeternaJan 7, 20171 votes

You aren't smart enough to understand what that means I guess, I'll explain it to you slowly.

Champs with low play rates typically have higher win rates because it's only the mains of that champion who are playing him/her, and people who main a certain champion do well. Kayles a good example, she has even fewer people playing her, yet she has a whopping 55 percent win rate. Kayle is in a much better spot than Kassadin is, therefore Kayle mains, the people who use her to her best, have such great success. Kassadin mains are having trouble averaging over a 50 percent win rate according to the stats.

Titanium70Jan 7, 20171 votes

Wel... with that number of artificial scalings.... even AP Yasuo would be strong. xD That is... if you give him free-farm for 40 minutes. =P

But no, Kassadin is not that good right now - not necessarily because he's weak, but because he is a lategame champ. When his power ignites, most games are already decided.

khorneyJan 7, 20171 votes

Let me explain ....Kass w is the strongest spell in the game hands down....why well ill tell you it will proc lich bane, ludens, static shiv and rapid fire all at once tell me isn't that bs.... sure building like this may not seem strong but take in the fact your relying on your w and the flat magic damage of static and rapid fire makestrel it disgustingly strong .