"assasins burst now"

SirTeemoMushroom·Aug 1, 2017·61 votes·2,715 views

they are assasins .. what did you expected to do, dance?

73 Comments

AimléssAug 1, 201710 votes

I like the burst changes for assassins the problem is some champions like Chogath , Veigar , and believe it or not MonkeyKing haven't adopted that though. And that's where we have a problem. You can't give some champions (especially the ones that justify it the most) delayed burst, and not do it to the rest.

Magical ZoeAug 2, 20173 votes

Ok well Veigar was SUPPOSED to keep his niche as a counter to ap mages along with Kassadin but he got very oppressive. Now he's just a problem when he gets fed and is allowed room in the backline to burst. Cho'gath i will agree with, just because he can build full tank and still instantly delete adcs.

Starcraft243verAug 2, 20171 votes

Veigar has no mobility, is squishy, has an unreliable cc that makes him COUNTERED by every assassin with a blink/gap closer.

Magical ZoeAug 2, 20171 votes

A good Veigar wouldn't have to worry about that because he shouldn't be hardcore shoving the lane when champions like Khazix Warwick XinZhao might be in his game. Plus, thats why he has that huge aoe stun.

Starcraft243verAug 2, 20171 votes

I tough he meant veigar was a good assassin. When It's a rather ok zone-control mage.

TyrekGoldenspearAug 1, 201710 votes

I'd like them to dance tbh.

I need an Assassin that uses dance moves to slay me.

Chembaron YamadaAug 1, 201726 votes

Full AP Rakan it is for you, then.

DatalessAug 2, 20171 votes

Rakan "I dance so fine I kill."

TyrekGoldenspearAug 2, 20171 votes

Let's Dance!

Velzard of KozAug 2, 20171 votes

It could actually be Tango-clothes female dancer that uses disguise, deception and seduction to get to targets as killer-for-hire, with ultimate being some kind of spotlight making the battle for cerrtain time "dance-fight".

Onkel MalteAug 2, 20171 votes

I think if Camille ever tries to dance, you will die

TyrekGoldenspearAug 2, 20171 votes

Hmm. Never thought about her.

Giggling GrannyAug 1, 20179 votes

Yeah because kha be able to prock item 3147 without counterplay is so much balanced

Tarquin96Aug 1, 20179 votes

counter play is he needs you to be isolated to kill you,so if you group up he wont burst you,unless he is fed and nunu can burst if he is fed so that isnt an argument ( also, you arent supposed to 1v1 him)

Giggling GrannyAug 1, 20175 votes

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GULAG 4 UAug 1, 20178 votes

You suck at math big time. Get off the fucking computer and do some textbook exercises.

Giggling GrannyAug 2, 20171 votes

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Tarquin96Aug 2, 20174 votes

The moment you mention somebodies rank you have no valid arguments

GULAG 4 UAug 17, 20171 votes

Idk what did he say, but at least I don't score 56 in math.

tea tìmeAug 2, 20171 votes

Hard maths. I can 2+2=5.

Look ma, no hands

BigBellBruteAug 1, 201711 votes

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Yeah because kha be able to prock without counterplay is so much balanced

If you're an ADC and you wander alone into the jungle, why shouldn't you get erased by a kha? You already disregarded your counter play by doing it.

Giggling GrannyAug 1, 20171 votes

i am not adc...so get your fact right before you make a post or dont make one at all...

Second no matter what you play a champion should never abuse an item that much and you silver players call it "balanced"

Lawd DawgAug 2, 20174 votes

Boi idc who you are, unless you're rammus or malphite, wondering alone in a kha jg is just asking to die

WalkingInACircleAug 2, 20171 votes

Because that'd be horribly one sided and oppressive gameplay? ADCs are supposed to have a chance against assassins.

Over InnsmouthAug 2, 20175 votes

a chance

Your chance is sticking by your team and not wandering alone when there's a mobile, single-target nuker stalking the jungle.

Zero Skill TankAug 2, 20176 votes

Yeah, lone adc geting erased - that's fine. Toplane Rengar taking half of enemy fighter's HP in 0.5 second trade because they dared to rush fighter item instead of three chain vests is not.

Abusing marksmen hate to pretend like lethality buffs were fine is just low, you know.

SEKAIAug 1, 20179 votes

they are assasins .. what did you expected to do, dance?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMNWOBBFKFk

The DeckownerAug 2, 20179 votes

I just don't see the reason to play an Assassin unless specific chamoions are broken. Champions like Syndra assassinate squishies more easily and reliably. It's fucking bullshit how late game adc/mage are basically ranged assassins.

Tarquin96Aug 2, 20172 votes

assassins have mobility , snydra is a burst mage basicly the same but not

The DeckownerAug 2, 20172 votes

you don't need mobility when the enemy carries are dead.

Tarquin96Aug 2, 20172 votes

And what stops the enemy caries from killing you?

The DeckownerAug 2, 20172 votes

Death.

They can't kill you if you kill them faster.

ShablagooAug 3, 20171 votes

why is that an argument assassins have mobility, so what? There are a lot of champions with mobility doesnt make them any better, and an assassin doesnt have the burst to kill someone they just have mobility. Before the DB change assassins were literally useless, and now that DB is out everyone is like WOW MAN ASSASSINS ARE OP. They had the mobility before so whats different? The DB one item made them viable again. Stop acting like mobility is the most op thing in this game, lucian mobility really helps him when he gets oneshot from syndra dropping one q and ulting him to death.

Tarquin96Aug 3, 20171 votes

Did you ever play syndra?caus that doesent happen ever,she needs to hit you with most of her kit to kill you or have 6 dmg itema when you dont want to buy mrboots or qss

ShablagooAug 3, 20171 votes

I do and have played a lot of syndra, and I can assure you thats how it works, I can literally search it on youtube and find a video of syndra oneshotting someone not even with her r but with qw. Regardless of what ppl say the argument of oneshotting ppl without any reaction applies to both assassins and every other class that does it. If someone has mobility it does give them a one up on someone that can do it from range, their is still the fact that the lvl of reaction is not possible with the amount of burst that class has.

The same thing can be said with assassins of old times when ppl were getting oneshot they were hit with everything by the enemy assassin and most adcs wouldnt even buy armor same with mages, or they wouldnt have enough with the way armor pen worked back then. That still doesnt change the fact that it didnt allow for ppl to react in time. The same thing is said about syndra, annie or almost any burst mage, some parts of their kit especially syndra do not allow for reaction. It goes both ways.

Velzard of KozAug 2, 20173 votes

First of all, Mages and you list one? Well then how exactly is Syndra killing more easily and reliably than Talon? Yes, it's terrible how reliable Syndra is when Q doesn't show you the area it will explode in before-hand, when she doesn't drag big thing around during delay before throwing it at you, I hate how her stunning ability stuns you at any circumstance, without it being gated by obvious spheres, and how her least reliable and most skilled ability, her ultimate, doesn't require any prerequisities.

I love, however, all the counterplay Talon provides. I love how his Q isn't reliable because it isn't point-click gapcloser and how his W and R are so slow it gives you enough time to avoid it. Or how he doesn't need point-click for his Passive to trigger. All the telegraphed skillshots he provides that makes playing against him more fair - it's beautiful.

Heavy sarcasm off:

I just don't see the reason to play an Assassin unless specific chamoions are broken. Champions like Syndra assassinate squishies more easily and reliably.

If you really don't see the reason then play Mages. When Mages don't have slow, delayed and telegraphed skillshots, I bet you will do fine with all the reliablity. I as Vel'Koz player am freeloing him because of how his kit doesn't provide any counter. It's so easy to land all his reliable point-clicks.

Also it's funny how most people I see complaining about Mages only mentoin Syndra. Even in her case with her having only one truly unfair ability which is her ultimate. KEEEEK.

The DeckownerAug 2, 20171 votes

Syndra spam Q that hits nothing then press R and gameplay happens, such counterplay, such telegraphed abilities, such slow and delay. Talon gets shit on early game, has a mediocre mid game spike, falls off in late game like air resistance doesn't exist. you want other reliable oneshot mages? Orianna Viktor Annie TwistedFate got you covered.

Assassin is pretty much a joke right now lol.

Big LincolnAug 1, 20177 votes

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Cyber HeroXLAug 1, 20179 votes

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people who REEEEEEEEEEEEE over assassins being able to do there jobs.

ArakadiaAug 1, 201717 votes

I mean old Talon was pretty fucking unfair for example.

Ariel the CruelAug 2, 20176 votes

A lot of old assassins were "pretty fucking unfair."

From the perspective of a support main, I never had issues with assassins' burst. I had issue when they could appear from nowhere and insta-gib ~~children~~ allies before my my ping even acknowledged them. Supports are supposed to counter dives. If the the entire assassination happens faster than we can reasonably react (0 ping LCS gods excluded), there's a problem.

Assassins weren't necessarily exclusive for this; but they were the poster-child for it.

ShablagooAug 1, 20176 votes

They want even more delayed burst, even though adcs, mages, even some tanks have no delay on their dmg. Kinda makes no sense considering that that a dmg class doing dmg fast wow, that suprising, adc's do the same thing but its ok cuz it takes a while except for draven which it only takes like one item, or twitching not jsut doing it to one person but your whole team, even though vayne was toned down a bit she still gets to a point where she is able to two shot squishies. But you know assassins have mobility, so they cant have burst, most assassins have like one mobility spell yet for some reason we have infinite mobility, the only assassin with alot of mobility is kat and she only a little more then ahri, not an assasin but a burst mage.

Sun Wu RyuumokuAug 1, 20174 votes

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

General Esdeath Aug 2, 20174 votes

Sona hits R

SirTeemoMushroomAug 2, 20171 votes

Veigar hits R

Starcraft243verAug 2, 20171 votes

Hope the ennemy lacks some hp then else it deals no damages :'(

koshkyraAug 1, 20172 votes

I get that assassins are supposed to kill you as fast as possible, but theyre killing in literally 1-2 hits at this point in like 0.05 seconds and it needs to be toned down.

ArmadillloAug 2, 20175 votes

feeds assassins

cries about being two shot

Here are some tips: don't try to 1v1 a fed assassin and tell ur damn support to peel, don't try to 1v1 an assassin even when u're even, stop 1v1ing that fucking kha'zix you have 0 defensive items and expect not to get oneshot by someone with 3 lethality items.

koshkyraAug 2, 20172 votes

-I dont try to 1v1 fed assassins, and im usually the support so idk how i can bitch to one about peel -I dont try to 1v1 assassins in any way -I never said i tried to 1v1 "that fucking khazix" -I will often have at least one armor item and nobody builds 3 lethality items anymore, its always Duskblade+one of the others

You're making exaggerations about me that you dont have knowledge of and arent correct.

SirTeemoMushroomAug 2, 20171 votes

i think because people prefer damage items instead of defensive items .. so they are squshy .