with kayn walking through any walls , how can you be safe? even warding ... what can you do? ;p he just dives through the wall when you are low hp , he kills you and goes away like a boss :p his shadow walk should have talon's E affect (can't go through the same wall for X period of time)
zxinferxz35 votesTOWERS 2k17 LUL
DunkinNoobs8 votesElise has been in the game for years and I doubt the new champ will be worse than her.
SweedishGunner7 votesIt's been this way for a while now. Kayn would only exacerbate the problem.
Kloqdq7 votesHe doesn't have a true escape though. He has large cooldowns so what ends up happening is he goes in, gets a kill maybe and then dies. Zed can hope back to his shadow, talons will normally save their wall hope, kha has resets, others have a jump etc. Kayn will go in and maybe kill you and If he is lucky he gets out.
ZyniX2 votesWhich will make ranked after he's released even more hilarious.
Kloqdq3 votesHis going to get so boned in the long run. People calling him the next Camille? Nah fam. This dude is Master Yi.
Jet Sett2 votesHe's OP in the right hands? Is that what this analogy means?
aLawfulFalafel1 votesi think he either means he can press Q to penta OR that kayn can die in alpha
1011001110001 votesKayn can die in his ulti in certain scenarios :^)
aLawfulFalafel1 voteslol
kayn dies in ulti : I WAS IN ALPHA!!!! tm copyright (this means you ummm.....oh god why am i so bad with names.... this mean YOU popular jokey person YOU yeah YOU!)
Kloqdq1 votesBasically what Lawful said XD
He'll either go in and get a penta or he'll die in an instance. His kit doesn't offer much of the assassin playstyle (get in, get out) and more of the fighter style (go in, punch things). That's why I believe Darkin form will be better like 70% of the time because it enhanced his kit a lot better than Shadow Assassin.
Critmaster Garen6 voteshe can not just walk through walls on the map. he can actually leave the map boundaries, since he can walk through the wall that surrounds the rift. thats kinda crazy.
Vedius2 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=40spsBEp,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2017-06-28T13:59:30.450+0000)
he can not just walk through walls on the map. he can actually leave the map boundaries, since he can walk through the wall that surrounds the rift. thats kinda crazy.
i tried it out yesterday and it was so funny leaving the map
lilycu1 votesCan you try it out on aram? Or twisted treeline?
It Hertz When IP3 votes*walks through wall"
*plummets eight miles down into the abyss"
zxinferxz1 voteswalks through map boundary wall stabs you in the back while you're inside your tower Heh... nothin' personnel kiddo walks away and pops mastery 7 icon
aLawfulFalafel1 voteshow to get back inside tower??
zxinferxz1 votesstabs you too You ask too many questions kiddo walks away and pops mastery 7 icon
lilycu1 votesFigured guess that's one way to kill him down now to find more...
Phyuq Yiu4 votes! team of 5 isnt safe under tower from a Fiora with Tiamat.
SirTeemoMushroom1 votes[deleted]
LunarStrike2 votesQ.
KitSun93 votesLets see... Talon, Zac, Zed, LB, etc..etc.
korg0234 votesI am simple man, i see "towers are garbage" post on front page i UPVOTE!
aLawfulFalafel1 votesI am simple man, i see "towers are garbage" post on front page i UPVOTE!
i? simple? upvote? k
Proxy3453 votesLol towers have been completely irrelevant for the last few seasons now.
FilDaFunk3 votesDoesn't his e have like a 20s cd?
RacoonHunter3 voteshmm 
tower 
diving 
you
say? 
aLawfulFalafel2 votes
im trying im trying just...one....more....Q DIIIIIIIIVE
Emerald Fang1 votesdies and enemy lives with 10 HP blames jungler
aLawfulFalafel1 votesbut...but.... all 5 of my junglers just said they were diving... (all chat)elise zac kha yi and noct just baited me into my death, report them for feeding plz
sobi9992 votesLast time i saw, a ZED killed me under my tower and disappeared without a sign.
ZapMyHeart1 votesLast time i saw, a ZED killed me under my tower and disappeared without a sign.
I saw Yasuo killed me under my tower and then dashed away. My tower shed a tear.
AninLegions7772 votesBard can do this but it a bit restricted. Just wait for it to be live before complaining
Void Kaiju2 votesIf you're sitting under tower at low enough HP for an enemy to safely dive you and you're not just baiting so you can stun and get a cheesy kill, you made a mistake, it's not the champion fighting you that's the problem.
ZephyrDrake2 voteswait? you mean we were safe under our turrets to begin with?
Karn Bishop2 votesI agree, i mean how unreasonable would it be for a champion to completely ignore wards, leap over walls kill you under tower and then leap out, Kayn is the first champion to ever do this, i mean what will they do next release new champions like these? 
I mean could you imagine how terrible the game would be if any of those champions existed? so we should stop this anti warding and even wall flashing behavior before it gets out of hand and they release 10-12 champs that can do that.
DJMason881 votesSure do love that leap and invisibility on Kayle
Karn Bishop1 voteswooow, do you just take everything in your life literally? not taking damage with ult effectively does the same thing in terms of a tower dive, whats with all these people on the forums lately that argue on the smallest of technicalities?
its like i am in an episode of Gordon Ramsays kitchen knightmares, look its done like this guys, you keep cooked and raw foods separate in the fridge and goddam it you keep your food storage area free of dead 5 month old dead mice! guy: its only been there 2 months. Gordon Ramsay: going to go get a kitchen knife now, best if your not here when i get back.
DJMason881 votesKayle's ult isn't even too much of a problem. There are shields that provide more utility in a towerdive. And most of the champions you listed can't leap out of the tower. No, invulnerability does not do the same thing as mobility and invisibility/ camo, which are actually revealed by towers, so my Kayle point still stands. And adding on to that, Kayn doesn't ignore wards last i checked.
aLawfulFalafel1 votesits actually really weak tho, anybody kayle invis jumps on will just go invincible right away....pooor kayle
aLawfulFalafel1 votes[{quoted}](name=Karn Bishop,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=40spsBEp,comment-id=0018,timestamp=2017-06-29T00:40:48.342+0000)
I agree, i mean how unreasonable would it be for a champion to completely ignore wards, leap over walls kill you under tower and then leap out, Kayn is the first champion to ever do this, i mean what will they do next release new champions like these?
I mean could you imagine how terrible the game would be if any of those champions existed? so we should stop this anti warding and even wall flashing behavior before it gets out of hand and they release 10-12 champs that can do that.
i think the real problem here is the walls! might as well just remove them, minions make better walls anyways did you know you can flash INTO a group of minions and they can surround n minion block u to death, walls cant do this js wallcists unite
Emerald Fang1 votesCalling fiddlesticks and Evelyn broken now aren't we?
Karn Bishop1 voteswhat? no of course not, hell i main eve, my point was why rage over a new champions single ability when other champions can often do the same thing and in some cases do it much much better then he will be able to, i never used the word broken you just threw it in there to fit your narrative.
Anonymous Alias1 votesDon't forget his ultimate.
AwesomeGuyDj1 votesIf he uses his E to surpise secks you under tower from a wall, he cant use it to escape. So yeah. Also you werent safe under tower before when lee sin could come from tri bush q q r to you and then ward hop to his teammate (who you just kicked them to) to start dpsing them with his ally.
Emerald Fang1 votesTowers? Never heard of them. Ohh, you mean the rubble in the lane that I start seeing after 6 minutes? Yeah; you shouldn't be hiding under that. It doesn't offer protection.
