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I didnt sign up for fucking ranked 5v5's

FortisDominus··134 votes·5,172 views

i really want soloq again. I hate it when im forced onto 4 man teams as the one solo player (usually the top laner). what i hate about it is the flaming from the 4 man team, never getting any helped when i get camped by the enemy 4 man team, the 4 man dives, the LCS strats like lane swaps, the jungler comming to my lane to deny me a big creep wave. Just why do i have to deal with this crap? People dont normally do this in soloq ranked games so please dont act like this is all normal <.<

"if it aint broke, dont fix it", i would rather have the old ranked back

84 Comments

Urgonnalearn2day22 votes

Should have a simple check box on if you mind getting grouped with 4 and 5 mans. If you doh then you wait longer.

Silverthane2 votes

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Should have a simple check box on if you mind getting grouped with 4 and 5 mans. If you doh then you wait longer.

Fantastic idea imo.

Pink Chocolade 2 votes

Yeah and they laugh when you die even u 0/1 and they 0/3

KillerKell17 votes

Seems strange to me, I've had nothing but good experiences with this.

Blitzedlegend6 votes

same with me

FortisDominus4 votes

I have had games where there are 4 people with the same "clan" name

KillerKell10 votes

Well sure, same here. Both for and against. Anywhere from 2 to 4, and in one case played against 5 with the same 'clan name'.

Just saying, not 4 people treating like a leper or refusing to include me.

Leeerzeichen4 votes

I played a few of my funniest games with 4 random premates. My only negative experience with 4 man premates is that sometimes the enemy's premate team is just better

Chickendoodles3 votes

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Seems strange to me, I've had nothing but good experiences with this.

Same, I have yet to run into a clearly duo/trio+ enemy team. I may have here and there. Even when they are on my team, which is a little more common, I tend to have no issues and do well WITH them. I feel like OP is just a bit angry about a bad experience but it most definitely does not encompass the majority.

To OP: Not sure if you are talking about the enemy jung or not, but if its your jung coming to "deny a creep wave," there isnt much context. Did he come gank and is just doing lane tax? Or is he purposely stealing farm? Also, I will note that top, whether a 3+ premade team or not, is generally the most neglected lane due to bot lane being an important early game lane to snowball for dragon, and grabbing mid/bot towers. I feel like pre-mades are not that much of an issue so long as you don't be an ass and piss them off, which goes for any group of people.

EpikFeeder9 votes

Hit that mute button and turn your tank nasus into 100% crit nasus.

Only Play Darius2 votes

If you're going to lose, might as well lose in style.

AjabikiFTW7 votes

In games like this, where it feels like the pre-made doesn't want me to play with them (by doing things like flaming me or the jungler taking a huge minion wave) I start doing whatever. I will take jungle camps and rationalize it as the jungler doesn't need the gold if he came top and took a 400 gold wave from me or just roam the enemy jungle and look for picks (playing mortal combat and not league of legends). I don't want to be a part of a team who makes me feel like shit because I'm not part of their premade and sadly I usually can't tell this until I'm in the game.

Tobias Brackner6 votes

If the flaming is the problem then report the assholes and move on. This sounds like a cry for a better Tribunal system then a new queue.

xelaker3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Tobias Brackner,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ixcTEj91,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-03-03T20:32:29.887+0000)

If the flaming is the problem then report the assholes and move on. This sounds like a cry for a better Tribunal system then a new queue.

so loosing lp is ok tho just report people, that'll get my lp back. dumb answer man. think about his scenario before you give dumb answers

Tobias Brackner7 votes

lp isn't gone forever. You know that shit comes back if you play good at the game, right? How about you use your head at how the game works. Just because people are as a group doesn't mean they are going to be shitbags to the odd one out. Hell, from my experience, 80% of the people I play with aren't toxic shitbags.

I'm thinking practically. Creating a whole new queue and using up resources for it just because a few people are assholes doesn't make any sense. In fact, it makes more sense to have a stronger Tribunal system to shut down the shitbags.

IreliaCarrlesU1 votes

if u want to discuss the tribunal, (3 years ago we did this) you can start your own thread, or even better go to reddit.

but for now because 1 report on 4 people, is an awful way to do it, and wouldn't of worked with the old ban system anyway, we wont entertain you.

That aside, they are making a true solo que at some point that will probably be hilariously fun, and should solve this problem, instantly. much faster than the time consuming, NOT-lp giving, NOT-full proof idea of an updated tribunal.

like, how Reporting a rapist, doesn't stop the rape that has happened, and they could get away, but making a rape proof room solves the problem entirely. (theoretical example)

Secret Baller3 votes

Hahaha! Rape-proof room... >_< I also like the comment, "will probably be hilariously fun, and should solve the problem, instantly." When it drops, if it ever does, you will still have all the exact same problems dynamic queue causes. People will still randomly be trash talking each other in game, people will still neglect your lane, people will still afk, people will still spam false reports. The only difference will be you won't ever have the advantage of having a group of people communicating well with each other on your team.

IreliaCarrlesU1 votes

neglect your lane?

what? your lane is your lane, ward, don't feed. Ain't nobody gonna baby sit u in ranked.(unless your adc)

Now i get most of what you're saying, and most of it, is just stuff low elo players have been saying from day one. The reason dynamic queue, is worse for competitive players, is that it doesn't accurately show player skill AT ALL. ranking with your friends, isn't ranked, it's Ranked Teams. if the Silver 5 mmr adc of a 4 man, is playing his first match after promos with his 3 other silver1- gold 3 mmr friends, win or lose, it's not an accurate description of his skill lv.

I hate that idea, and on the downside, for the 1 random, if that random messes up, maybe gives leblanc that first blood, and that 4 man reports him ( 87% of reports by members of premades are made with the rest of the premade) in the old system he's already being judged by the tribunal. in our system, as long as he doesn't flame back hes pretty safe, but no player should ever have to feel like the majority of his team is a group of foreigners speaking a language, and making connections that only he is left out of.

Dynamic queue is fine, its fun to play with your friends, Ranked Teams are cool. But your rank with your team, wont mean as much as your rank in solo queue( when its out). Because playing with your friends, is easy. Playing with 4 other random, possibly toxic sucky people and still making it work, along with your mechanics, game knowledge, a good attitude to win is skill. UNCONDITIONAL SKILL, SKILL THAT ISNT LESSENED DEPENDING ON WHO IS OR ISNT ONLINE, SKILL THAT BELONGS TO YOU AND YOU ALONE, AND ISNT AFFECTED AT ALL BY WHO U PLAY WITH. that is what ranked was, that's what it will be, and that's what it should always be. dynamic queue can be ranked teams, i don't care, but solo que is sacred ground, and like Mecca, or the Vatican, or a Buddhist Shrine , you don't play with your friends on it.

Tobias Brackner2 votes

Ok, to start off what kind of asshole response is "If you want to say Tribunal is the solution, go somewhere else"? Seriously, think about that shit for a second. I provide my opinion and instead of starting off by addressing it, you say that my solution should have been posted in another thread?

You are making a false connection between the severity of the two incidents.

If a person has their entire day and League experience ruined because 4 guys were assholes to them, I think they have other problems in their life or with the game.

That shit can happen w/o the 4 guys being in the same party, so your solution ain't exactly fool proof either. Unless there is some kind of pandemic of 4 man teams constantly showing up and roaming around, shit talking the poor solo dude I would be surprised if creating a solo queue would be an actual solution. Assuming you aren't pulling this talk of them making a "true solo queue" out of your ass I'd imagine that the motivation would be the teamwork advantage that the 4 people get.

An updated Tribunal would be an awesome solution because you literally stop the four people from playing, and only the douchebaggy horrible assholes would continue to be douchebaggy horrible assholes after getting restrictions and such. From there (ideally) an updated Tribunal would be able to do shit like banning or extremely long term chat restrictions in these extremely rare cases.

IreliaCarrlesU1 votes

The old ranked system was dumb, and had many easily exploited loopholes, like not talking, making up situations in chat, and being nice in chat. This made it so, that a good troll could get away all the time with his bullshit, never accumulating a perma ban. (2 weeks is the most, without clear undisputable evidence of toxicity)

and it wouldn't work, with dynamic queues problems because, most players are too lazy to report, its usually not every player in a team wanting to report, and in any case of a group of 3+ playing together, thier reports outnumber yours.

if we had the old system, a 4 man could report u, get to tribunal, and all gang up on you and get u punished for thier bullshit. IS THE CURRENT TRIBUNAL BAD? yeah. IS IT AS BAD AS BEFORE? objectively no, since u cant lose a case anymore.

WAS IT STRETCHING IT TO BRING TRIBUNAL INTO A POST THAT HAD NO MENTION OF IT ANYWHERE? yes.

ARE THERE BETTER MORE WILLING PEOPLE TO TALK TO THIS ABOUT? yes, all of reddit, any actual Rioter, and THE ENTIRE " PLAYER BEHAVIOR AND MODERATION" AREA OF THE BOARDS.

Tobias Brackner1 votes

Holy shit dude you have your head up your ass.

My argument is this: People complain about 4 man teams being assholes. The problem isn't 4 man teams, the problem with assholes. SO WE SHOULDN'T GET RID OF 4 MAN TEAMS WE SHOULD STRENGTHEN THE TRIBUNAL.

I have no fucking idea why the hell you think I'm going to want to talk about the fucking Tribunal aside from saying "this is the solution to the problem".

IreliaCarrlesU1 votes

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and it wouldn't work, with dynamic queues problems because, most players are too lazy to report, its usually not every player in a team wanting to report, and in any case of a group of 3+ playing together, thier reports outnumber yours.

a 4 man could report u, get to tribunal, and all gang up on you and get u punished for thier bullshit.

Bringing back the Tribunal isn't the answer. the tribunal put too much power in player's hands. player's that are too childish, and biased to accurately judge thier peers, and it will not come back.

I didnt say get rid of multi-man groups, i said to wait for the solo queue that is already in the works.

Tobias Brackner1 votes

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/player-behavior/upgrading-tribunal

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/player-behavior/new-player-reform-system-heads-testing

Yes bringing back the Tribunal is the answer. If you want a way to help cut back on the amount of assholes in League then yes the Tribunal is the answer. All that solo queue is going to do is making harder for assholes to travel in packs.

IreliaCarrlesU1 votes

that first link is 2 years old, before dynamic que was even thought of, and would have to change to accommodate it, or the other likely outcome, it just ain't happening.

that second link is the current system, the one you think needs to be changed soo badly. funny thing about the current system, remember when i said it's too easy to exploit? here the step that gets exploited : "Teammates or opponents of the offending player send reports and the system validates them to make sure they aren’t false"

system validates them

What can the system use for validation? the system only has player written reports, and the chat log to look at, so if they do any of the shit i said they could, the system, has nothing but the usually incoherent words of salty players to go off of, and they wont ban someone with such non-existent evidence.

We don't even have the right answer for how to fix, the tribunal, or the punishment system, so you know it's not the answer to this.

Tobias Brackner1 votes

"that first link is 2 years old" Are you implying that if Riot doesn't complete something in 2 years or talk about it then it doesn't exist anymore?

Ok so I've noticed a paradox. " the one you think needs to be changed soo badly." I feel that this implies that the system doesn't need to be changed. However then you say " remember when i said it's too easy to exploit." I feel that things that are easy to exploit should be changed to be harder to exploit if not unexploitable.

"We don't even have the right answer for how to fix, the tribunal, or the punishment system, so you know it's not the answer to this." Wait hold the fuck up. So because there isn't an answer to the tribunal RIGHT NOW then it is some how not the solution? How do you connect the two? Is there some kind of window of time that solutions need to exist in to count as solutions?

Rozark6 votes

IIRC they're working on a pure solo queue where not even duos are allowed. I haven't bothered with placements yet because I'm waiting to see if Riot follows through with it. Just wait for that to be a thing, perhaps it'll solve all your problems.

WadeWilson133713 votes

They announced it would be out in "a few weeks" 2 months ago, and theres nothing of it on the pbe and riot has stayed silent on it. Dont hold your breath on Riot keeping their word on their bullshit bandaid quickfix.

Rozark1 votes

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They announced it would be out in "a few weeks" 2 months ago, and theres nothing of it on the pbe and riot has stayed silent on it. Dont hold your breath on Riot keeping their word on their bullshit bandaid quickfix.

Casual Reminder that they promised Hextech Crafting and that's only now arriving next patch-ish. While I wasn't entirely expecting it to be out in "just a few weeks", it likely IS going to be finished.

Flawless Fetus1 votes

You might care about this, you might not, but they said that Solo Queue and Dynamic will be ranked separately. Similar to how old Solo/Duo and Ranked Teams were. They also said most of the end of season rewards will be based on Dynamic rank. I'm eager for Solo as well, but your Dynamic placements do not have anything to do with your Solo placements, once it comes out.

Rozark1 votes

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You might care about this, you might not, but they said that Solo Queue and Dynamic will be ranked separately. Similar to how old Solo/Duo and Ranked Teams were. They also said most of the end of season rewards will be based on Dynamic rank. I'm eager for Solo as well, but your Dynamic placements do not have anything to do with your Solo placements, once it comes out.

I'm well aware of this yes.

Great Ozymandius6 votes

I actually like seeing more sophisticated strategies in ranked.

Only Play Darius2 votes

Yea it's fun when you have the better premade and/or they work together to help you out. When they have no interest in you the game is literally 1v9

arcinex1 votes

Agreed. Although your word choice is bad. Better premade implies that your team is generally better than your enemy team. Your second sentence could not be any more accurate though.

FIFY (fixed it for you) "Yea it's fun when you have a good premade and/or they work together to help you out."

l PopstarAhri l6 votes

I want solo queue too; duos were bad enough, quadruples are fuking unbearbleAhri

Only Play Darius2 votes

How do you manage midlane nowadays? I can't play mid anymore. 4/5 games the mid/jg are duo and if I get the slightest lead in lane I get permacamped and I don't have enough wards to do anything about it.

It's like personal skill hardly matters anymore if you're premade

Crownsy

[{quoted}](name=Jelly Mac,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ixcTEj91,comment-id=000c0000,timestamp=2016-03-04T18:09:31.054+0000)

How do you manage midlane nowadays? I can't play mid anymore. 4/5 games the mid/jg are duo and if I get the slightest lead in lane I get permacamped and I don't have enough wards to do anything about it.

It's like personal skill hardly matters anymore if you're premade

what an asinine statement, of course it does.

What people don't like who refuse to talk to their teammates and figure out what they are doing as a team is that you can't just play solo que dethmatch, and actually have to rotate, ward, use strats, ect in lower elo now. It isn't that hard to say "hey, I'm solo, you guys grouped?" in the lobby and figure it out man.

arcinex1 votes

I think Jelly Mac might be referring to the infamous coordinated premade mid lane tower dive ~5 minutes into the game consisting of the enemy top laner, jungler, mid laner, and the global adc ultimate. Players can no longer buy green wards to keep their vision up at all times, instead we are now gated by 1 pink ward and long ward trinket cooldowns.

This is not the kind of thing that ever happens in a genuine solo q game.

The gameplay style varies greatly between a genuine team, or premade, and solo queue players.

In solo q, as a mid laner the most you are expecting is an enemy jungle gank.

In premade, anything can happen because coordination.

arcinex1 votes

It's so bad playing mid lane. Being stuck with a 4-man premade and the jungler solely ganks for top and bot only to lose both of those lanes.

Slevin Kelevera5 votes

I feel that the new ranked is better, simply because you get to choose your land and don't have to worry about pick order. That was a huge dispute in the earlier seasons and was too much of a hassle. Solo que is a risk you have to take and be able to adapt to the people you are playing with. In their eyes you are that random guy who causes them to loose games because you are unable to use a simple strategy called team work. There is a story to both sides not just your own. Adapt and over come that is how you become a better player.

I am one of those people who group up and solo que in ranked games and I have been on both sides of the spectrum and I have lost more games due to the one random than learning how to play with four people who are together.

IreliaCarrlesU3 votes

we aren't asking to go back to old que, we want solo que with the same, game registry and pick and ban phases.

2 entirely different things, that don't require any effort or extra strain on riot, they already said they were gonna do it

Slevin Kelevera1 votes

I could see it fixing a bunch of harassing issues with pre mades and their "random" counterparts. Overall do you think it will increase the win rate of the average solo que struggle?

IreliaCarrlesU1 votes

cant say anything about overall win rate, but now players who are good, WILL rise almost guaranteed. Now u can pick your role and most of the time your best champ every game, players who are good will definitely be rewarded.

RyzeRework4 votes

Ive carried plenty of 4 man premades just take whatever role they ask for u to take be nice and i had this exact situation where I was getting ganks by 3 ppl top constantly so I built full tank and my corki was getting fed from bottom lane I played at my turret and won because I played safe and warded. If u ward you should never die to a gank

Only Play Darius1 votes

Try warding midlane this season. There's a reason Lux and Zed are the most played midlaners right now.

RyzeRework1 votes

pink 1 side ward the other lol bam warding is done not pushing without wards is the best way to play i mean thats just common sense

IreliaCarrlesU1 votes

Dyrus died even with wards

RyzeRework1 votes

That's because dyrus stayed after seeing the enemy jungler coming he was very greedy

Leftover Takeout3 votes

Phrasing!

Secret Baller3 votes

Sounds to me like you're complaining about shit that happens in every ranked game anyway.

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