How to ask for ganks

FortisDominus·Apr 11, 2016·81 votes·4,426 views

Since people on league dont know how to nicely ask for things i will show you

**RIGHT WAY: **

can you please gank mid he has no flash, you can kill him ez

**WRONG WAY: **

Yo i just died where the fuck are you, he has no flash you dumb bitch. Shit jungler

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^this is not going to warm me up to help you. If you want some help be nice about it instead of tilting me with your bm

Not only is it not going to get me to gank for you, im probably going to shit talk you as well because mama didnt raise no bitch

121 Comments

ADepressedLeonaApr 11, 201660 votes

Me: Pushed constantly to turret, waits patiently for ganks

Me: Still waits, trying to CS under tower

Me: Gets dove by enemy jungler and their laners, I die

Me: "Can I get a gank sometime soon please?"

My jungler: "OMG STFU YOU FUCKING FEEDER"

Me: ...

Don't act like all junglers are innocent

ImmortalBloodCYApr 11, 20161 votes

Exactly.

Most of the times that I play mid/top i actually play defensive to let them push so that my jungler can safely gank my lane.

The answer almost aways when i ask for a gank is the same as the guy above me "OMG STFU YOU FUCKING FEEDER" and no i am not joking. I deliberately let my enemy push their lane so that my jungler can safely gank but nope... and even when i ask... nope... Its like they dont pay attention to the mini-map.

Honestly the only ones who actually pay attention to the mini-map and to their surroundings the most are the Supports, which is why I hope more people play support role because they might learn a thing or two about MAP AWARENESS.

BestTristMyHausApr 11, 20161 votes

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The answer almost aways when i ask for a gank is the same as the guy above me "OMG STFU YOU FUCKING FEEDER" and no i am not joking. I deliberately let my enemy push their lane so that my jungler can safely gank but nope... and even when i ask... nope... Its like they dont pay attention to the mini-map.

Could be worse, I've had bot lane well in hand and JG explicitly says "let them push, I'll come gank", so we let them push. JG keeps screwing around in jungle or camping top and WE get ganked by enemy JG on tower dive, sometimes with 4 man gank. Or JG comes to lane and sits in bush, we see him and let the enemy push and jg does nothing. Enemy dives me and I unload everything I have to get enemy adc to minimum, I get deleted and THEN jg runs in for "ez kill, LOL".

ImmortalBloodCYApr 11, 20162 votes

Yeah.... which is why when I play Amumu as a jungler I try to gank top/mid 1st as fast as i can and I tell my team this:

I can gank safely and grant you a kill with better chance if they push their lane, so let them push if you want a gank because its hard to gank if they are close to their turret.

http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h380/thejhoijhoi/safety.png <- this is the safe zone map for jungler ganks. People need to learn of this because most dont even know of it.

Green= no ganks Orange= 50/50 Red=100% Gank resulting to 95% kill.

Troll for TrumpApr 11, 201623 votes

It's ALWAYS the devourer junglers..

ChoaruApr 11, 20162 votes

Well I mean it IS a devoured junglers...they are going to be focusing on getting stacks and worrying about getting counter junglered and getting skittles and getting dragon .-. Most Devourer junglers don't have really good early presence, except maybe Udyr, so don't expect much from them in the early game.

Jungle Lux GodApr 11, 20163 votes

You wouldn't expect much, but you should at least expect something.

A devourer jungler that does nothing but farm his jungle until he gets sated isn't doing enough to help his team. The least those guys can do is show up into the lane as to say "bitch, stop that" just to show a little bit of pressure in the lane, which helps immensely for any laner.

foinhasApr 11, 20162 votes

Unless you're Xin Zhao. If you don't gank in early game, even if going devourer, you're just wasting the champion

Darkslayer85Apr 11, 20162 votes

I find that with his insane clear speed I can clear one side of jungle and then gank a lane, then grabbing the coresponding rift scuttler and herald/drag. This gets me fed on the enemy laner, creates insane pressure on the side of the map, and then from there I can shift mid, gank and clear the other half, doing the same as before.

Edit: Read that so fucking wrong. I thought you were saying "Get sated and don't fuckin do nothin. [zombie-brand-facepalm]

KillerKellApr 12, 20161 votes

I gank asap with Xin and Yi.

I mean, getting my Team ahead is equally important to getting my Stacks, and if Bot, Mid and Top are Ahead I can pretty much Free Farm and they not even miss me.

This is something many Sated Jungles forget... if you get a Lane ahead, you'll be able to then ignore that lane much more often to Farm.

So if I Gank Top and get him ahead, Mid now has to worry about a Top Roam and Bot has to worry about a Top TP. Neither can Over-Extend now, so neither will be in Good Gank Position anyways. Enemy Jungle now has to get another Lane ahead to equal the pressure, or rush Top before he starts to Feed... meaning I'm no longer going to see a Counter Jungle (or leave Top to die, in which case we start to Snow Ball even if I never finish my item).

So many Sated Jungles will ignore ganks, not realizing the huge benefit to their farm if they just make one successful gank in that 3-5 Range.

AMYS GRAVEApr 11, 20162 votes

kills grant devour stacks.

ChoaruApr 11, 20161 votes

Say you go top and help your laners but you don't get a kill, you just wasted aprox 30 sec - 1 min to try to get one kill/stack, while you could have been in your jungle and killed Wreaths and Skuttle which = 3 stacks.

But hey, Gratz you just got a kill for your bot lane which = 1 stack and global goal.

So it really depends on where you are at the early stages of the game tbh.

AMYS GRAVEApr 11, 20162 votes

Getting 2 extra stacks is worthless if every lane is irreparably behind.

KillerKellApr 12, 20163 votes

Also, hard to Free Farm those Stacks if every lane is behind. A smart Sated realizes that getting his lanes ahead allows him to Free Farm until he's a God.

1 minute of time invested early, delaying your Sated by 1 minute to ensure at least One Lane becomes a Pressure Point, will take a ton of pressure off the Jungle (like Counter Jungling, since the Enemy Jungle now has to try to slow the Pressure Lane or get another lane ahead in response... no time to stall you now).

Pierce The VealApr 11, 20162 votes

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Well I mean it IS a devoured junglers...they are going to be focusing on getting stacks and worrying about getting counter junglered and getting skittles and getting dragon .-. Most Devourer junglers don't have really good early presence, except maybe Udyr, so don't expect much from them in the early game.

Xin Zhao, Shyvanna, Yi, Nocturne. They totally have 0 presence. Xin can lock people up and do tons of damage, the latter two will provide bucketloads of damage. And Nocturne is somewhere in between Xin and Yi. With wards being so hard to get, there's no excuse to not drop by for a kill, especially considering 450 gold to the team+ 2 (I believe) devourer stacks.

The jungler doesn't need to outright stop doing their camp and come gank, they can clear, extend their path to their next camp just a little to gank.

Troll for TrumpApr 11, 20161 votes

Nocturne can gank pre 6, but he's probably only good with his Ult. Same case as WW. Noc does have some form of CC in his E, but still. WW should basically gank whenever he has ult. Aatrox can gank well early and builds devos Volibear (in the rare case you build devos) can do that too Same with Kindred Jax

Pierce The VealApr 11, 20161 votes

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Nocturne can gank pre 6, but he's probably only good with his Ult.

As someone who's mained Nocturne since mid season 2, and whose first owned and played champion was nocturne, I can assure you that's not the case. You're highly underestimating his power.

Especially considering the sheer amount of damage he brings to the table.

ChoaruApr 11, 20161 votes

I played Solo lane Noc, and he is able to out trade many people ,3, Plus he has sustain his dmg is pretty good early :D

Pierce The VealApr 11, 20161 votes

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I played Solo lane Noc, and he is able to out trade many people ,3, Plus he has sustain his dmg is pretty good early :D

Laneturne is awesome :D

Withthe onset of the juggeenauts, I'm having a harder time justifying picking him these days, which makes me sad :(

ChoaruApr 11, 20161 votes

I beat a Poppy and Irelia Early game so hard. But too bad their team got fed af. Noc can split push all game and he can take towers as if they were paper...oh wait they are.

You can out trade a naut lvl 1-3 but after that he shits on you.

Pierce The VealApr 11, 20161 votes

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I beat a Poppy and Irelia Early game so hard. But too bad their team got fed af. Noc can split push all game and he can take towers as if they were paper...oh wait they are.

You can out trade a naut lvl 1-3 but after that he shits on you.

Not sure a naut is shitting on you. Are you buying lifesteal? And crit? You need at least a little to be viable I find.

ChoaruApr 12, 20161 votes

ya know that wouldn't ahve been a bad idea actually i went like hexdrinker into guinsoo or something like that i don't even remener

Pierce The VealApr 12, 20161 votes

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ya know that wouldn't ahve been a bad idea actually i went like hexdrinker into guinsoo or something like that i don't even remener

Hexrdrinker is good.

My suggestion is to never buy guinsoo's on nocturne unless you have devourer. He has no real use for the AP, and the on hit just isn't strong enough to justify buying it over ravenous hydra. The attack speed is nice, but not THAT nice.

Infinity edge/essence reaver both synergize with his 55 ad from trail, passive, and passive attack speed, and the latter lets him get max cdr easily allowing his ult to be up constantly, and his abilities to be spammable.

Also remember phantom dancer is a great dueling item with its 12% reduced damage and huge movespeed bonus.

Nocturne derives the most benefit from adc item, but remember you need defensive items, at least one or two. My tactic is to look at the enemy team, say they have 4 ad one ap, focus the ap, build armor. That lets you squeeze in more offensive items.

RalanrApr 11, 20163 votes

No role is innocent.

ClapDatAsheApr 12, 20161 votes

I'm both guilty and not guilty.

I usually play Sated Devour junglers (because I'm a scumbag). MasterYi

I try to make a goal to clear ASAP, but I'm always peeking at lanes.

Whereas, I sort of agree with OP on his/her stance.

I agree with you as well. Sometimes, I honestly forget to gank a lane, or will back off if you're pushed up. I'm not selfish, I try my best. I've gone roughly 8-4-5 while trying to get sated, but still lose due to their team being overall better (or cheese). Stuff happens, regardless of ganks. Trying to assist your laners, rather than farming all game helps your team. Now, if every, or at least more junglers would get this mentality, games would be nicer.

[slayer-jinx-catface]

Emperor TimeApr 12, 20161 votes

This situation really depends on who the hell you're laning against. Like if it's LB then fuck that i'm gunna go spend my time camping other lanes. Zed is also a pain in the ass to gank. Also depends on what champion your playing. If you're playing like GP mid then like there ain't much I can do for your ass cause GP is the worst on gank assist.

QuephaApr 11, 201613 votes

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How to ask for ganks

Don't.

Merely inform your team on the state of your lane if you deem it relevant, let the jungler decide how to deal with that information, be it attempting to camp your lane and relieve pressure, or apply pressure somewhere else to try and force your opponent to leave you alone.

WimbledofyApr 11, 20169 votes

no, sometimes you have to ask. You don't need to spam, but it can help your jungler if you remind him.

QuephaApr 11, 20165 votes

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no, sometimes you have to ask. You don't need to spam, but it can help your jungler if you remind him.

"We're getting pressured a lot in bot lane" will earn you a gank at least as often as "Gank please" except it doesn't imply that your jungler doesn't know how to do their job, nor does it pressure a pre-6 Warwick into trying to gank when that is 100% going to be a waste of everyone's time.

Great OzymandiusApr 12, 20161 votes

This. The jungler has 5 things to worry about: farming his own jungle, counterjungling the enemy jungler, top lane, midlane, bot lane. A huge number of factor influence what he prioritizes.

The other game I was a shaco, we had a top lane malphite versus a top lane gnar. Our mid was gangplank versus leblanc (so no pressure and very little gankability). Our bot lane was ali + vayne versus ashe + leona.

The vayne had good mechanics and could get kills. The enemy leona/ashe were constantly engaging. Yi was camping bot. Leblanc was frequently roaming bot and gangplank did not. I needed to camp bot myself to keep vayne ahead and to deal with leblanc/yi roams.

Malphite kept asking for ganks, saying "I haven't gotten a gank yet". Well, malphite, given the situation, that's what you've got to expect. You should be able to handle some rough laning because you are malphite. Right now, bot lane is far more important.

RagarenApr 11, 20169 votes

As a jungler main I get annoyed when people spam pings or blame me for them making stupid mistakes like tower diving. However when I lane I understand how frustrating it is when you ask for a gank and your jungler is too busy farming item 3930 to give a crap about your teams need.

Supreme Senpai69Apr 11, 20168 votes

"bot lane has no flashes and no heal and i just used red trinket so i know this bush isnt warded and they've been pushed up to our turret so please can we have a gank?"

-our jungler is taking enemy's red buff then dies to enemy jungler-

I have so much respect for good junglers, because most junglers aren't good.

MunchCrunchLunchApr 11, 20166 votes

funniest part when they dont talk. but spam pings when they die.

BladeSteelApr 11, 20162 votes

Probably b/c they're chat restricted ;)

EndlessSorcererApr 11, 20165 votes

I enjoy jungling, but I'm definitely more of a farm-heavy and objective-oriented player than a ganker or early skirmisher.

However, if the player has proven themselves to be competent and helpful, then I will generally prioritize them for ganks (since they are more likely to help carry).

Very good indications of such a player would be:

They are generally positive in chat
They don't blame other in a non-constructive manner
They call out Summoner Spell cooldowns (which can help me know when to gank)
They let me know where (and when) the enemy wards so I can work around it
They let me know when their lane opponent is missing (and if possible, where they expect them to be)
They don't mind if I help them push after a kill or if I cover their lanes when they are dead, returning to lane or roaming
(Optional) Ping their laner or politely ask for assistance and (if I decide to help them) respond appropriately when I come.

If I find my allies behaving in a manner as you described above, I'm liable to just label them as negative players who aren't dependable (unless they are playing extremely well). While I won't completely write them off or ignore them, I am less likely to trust their decisions and only assist them when I believe it will be beneficial to myself or my team.

ChaddyFantomeApr 11, 20165 votes

The Jungler doesn't owe any individual lane a gank. Jungle ganks are gifts. It is ultimately the jugnlers job and authority to decide when and where the ganks should be made, not the laners.

When my jungler doesn't give me a gank and I lose lane, I don't blame him. I fucked up. It is my fault for losing. Even a losing match up isn't a real excuse most of the time since you can still roam.

The only thing I will call the jungler out on is if they didn't have any pressure at all. That isn't based on me getting ganks, but me criticizing the junglers play as a whole.

To the point tho, if I see an easy kill, i read out hw to get it myself, not cry for the jungler. If the jungler decided to gank me the jungler decided to gank me.

This is of course speaking as a mid laner.

I hate my ADCApr 11, 20165 votes

It's nor the laner, nor the jungler decision which lane should be ganked. It's the game that decide it.

A jungler job is to read the game and be where he is needed, when he is needed as much as he can. He doesn't get to choose where and when the opportunities happens.

As a laner, you may be losing your lane because you fucked up or the enemy was taking advantage of a poor matchup for you or maybe even both of those, but the reason why ultimately doesn't matter, what matters is that if you are losing your lane, it's now both the laner job and the jungler job to make sure a gank happens. The laner(s) needs to be healthy, ready and try as best he/she/they can to setup a gank... set up an opportunity, the jungler need to be conscious of what is happening and be there when that opportunity arise.

You can't win every lane. Everyone fuck up once in a while and if the enemy use that fuck up, you end up in a losing position and sometimes the only way out is from a gank by your jungler or another lane. Because once the snowball started, it's a vicious circle that can only be broken by a teammate or if the enemy doesn't do anything with that snowball.

If you don't want to read a story, skip the rest of my post. For example, in my last game, the other team did the complete opposite of what they had to do and made everything worse for them. The enemy jungler (Lee Sin) who had the first blood and only kill at 4 minutes in the game came bot to help his bot lane (Kalista + Braum) because they were being bullied by me (Nami) and my ADC (Lucian). Nami completely counter Braum and I abused it by making them pay for each CS they were trying to secure. My Lucian was really good and was following up on my trades. What happened? The Jungler came when the enemy bot lane was half health and we were full with a ward covering the river. The result? Triple kill + double buff for Lucian because their bot lane didn't set up the gank properly (Being half health and Braum jumping to a minion, leaving Kalista too far to engage, and placing himself in a 1v2 until Kalista could catch up), didn't create any opportunity (By baiting us, clearing our ward or engaging as the jungler walk thru our ward instead of engaging too soon) and the jungler came even though he didn't have an opportunity to capitalize on (We were well covered, in a position of vast superiority against his bot lane and it was a very dangerous match up to commit against). To make matter worse he tried to salvage after his bot lane got murdered instead of disengaging, making a snowball lane into a snowball game. 20 minutes later we killed their Nexus at a score of 28 to 7 with a 10-1-5 Lucian and 1-0-17 Nami. Lucian and I didn't waste our snowball. At 13 minutes, we killed the T1 bot tower and brought our snowball to every other lanes and at that point, the window of opportunities was gone for the enemy team. They could only hope for a throw that never came.

ChaddyFantomeApr 11, 20161 votes

It's nor the laner, nor the jungler decision which lane should be ganked. It's the game that decide it.

A jungler job is to read the game and be where he is needed, when he is needed as much as he can. He doesn't get to choose where and when the opportunities happens.

Well yea, that's the point I was making. It isn't my responsibility to tell the jungler how to do his job.

Great OzymandiusApr 12, 20162 votes

I agree that it is the jungler's prerogative to prioritize ganks. However, I cannot stand when I am a nasus top, they enemy laner is pushed the entire laning phase, the enemy jungler camps top, my jungler never ganks, I lose lane, and then the jungler complains that the enemy top laner is ahead of me.

If you prioritize other lanes, that's fine, but please understand that that has consequences for your teammates.

CitadelOfIceApr 11, 20165 votes

Even if you offer the JG a flashless wardless 25% HP target 50% of the time they'll keep on farming. No freaking clue why but thats the trend I've been seeing of late. They will not gank unless they make the call.

McKeifusApr 12, 20161 votes

Lots of new junglers trying to figure out how Sated Yi is so OP.

Kar98kApr 11, 20164 votes

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/13010728_573563262815270_7896684731772609413_n.jpg?oh=bb28266bc66829475932c766dbd5f9cd&oe=57B6768C Yo i just died where the fuck are you, he has no flash you dumb bitch. Shit jungler

CoolKnightSTApr 11, 20163 votes

Why so long, just do this:

Yasuo : "Mid no flash"

Yasuo : "Mid no flash 12:36"

This is enouge information to let the jungle judge he is capable on ganking your lane. As an jungler you like to have option so it's harder to get counter ganked by the enemy jungler. The more information you feed him the better the jungler will perform.

BisaknospApr 11, 20163 votes

yea poor junglers :(

its not always like that i had so many games in which the jungler was just a god damn asshole

when a lane asked for help he just ignores it and sometimes it happens that he just comes by (without even trying to gank properly xD) and takes farm for no reason

i had sooo many games where i asked politely if i can get a gank (enemy pushing, got no f and so on) and its really rare that he even reacts to anything

i mean sure there are also laners that can be very rude and stuff but its not always the jungler who suffers from stupid teammates

dr lichdeathApr 11, 20163 votes

too much words not helping by the time im done typing im dead again since towerdiving happens constantly hell even supports towerdive to poke

i ping and wait i get ganked by the enemy jungler rinse and repeat for about 4 times and get flamed by my team while i still dont get ganks from my jungler

GottedApr 11, 20162 votes

Even though I can win through ganks I'm starting to gank less and less. "Took my kill" is bullshit. Bro I'm 11/0 you are 0/2 obviously the gold is better on me. Shut up and let me carry. Takes longer, but can still farm up 6 items pretty quick without kills.

WimbledofyApr 11, 201613 votes

if you're 11/0, you getting more fed won't really help you anymore since you should already be 1 shotting them. If you die, now your team has no gold and is missing their only damage.

GottedApr 11, 20161 votes

Not the case man.

Troll for TrumpApr 11, 20163 votes

No, a team with one carry and 4 feeders is worse than a team with 5 people who have kills equally distributed.

If you don't give him the kill, he probably will still be behind, and might lose lane, especially if the enemy jungler comes back again, or it's a hard counterlane. The kill, and maybe even shutdown gold, and maybe even a turret couldbe what the need to recover. Assist gold isn't much.

PartholonianApr 11, 20167 votes

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if you're 11/0, you getting more fed won't really help you anymore since you should already be 1 shotting them. If you die, now your team has no gold and is missing their only damage.

Or even get stunned -- and you can bet you're going to eat every CC the other team has, because they're going to think "If we take out that guy we win the fight easy from there". And they'll be right, too.

Really though if you're 11/0 you should be forcing them off objectives and taking them to get the whole team ahead. Who gets the kill doesn't matter nearly as much as what you do after the kill with the temporary man advantage -- and that's true regardless of what your KDA is.