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How do you keep dying you shitter?
Thats because 
and 
are diving me when im at full hp...
Just buy a ward then and stop dying... wtf?
I hate when people say 'buy a ward' as if wards physically stop the enemy laner and jungler from diving me over and over. There are multiple paths the enemy jungler can take to escape my wards or make it so even if i ward (and i see him) i will not be able to get away anyway...
Trashlord Kayden34 votescan i upvote this 1000x why does noone understand warding doesn't stop them diving?
Foxstep16 votes[{quoted}](name=Princess Kayden,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GH6jEY2h,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-03-28T23:06:16.509+0000)
can i upvote this 1000x why does noone understand warding doesn't stop them diving?
But if you see the jungler coming up to you you should leave the turret instead of staying and getting killed.
Supreme Senpai6917 votesBut then they take the tower and it's your fault. It's kind of a lose-lose situation if your jungler doesn't come to help.
ChaoticPinecone8 votesyou have the choice of dying under turret and losing the tower versus just losing tower. Might be lose-lose, but one is worse.
I can understand a situation where you think you can take the 2v1 and go 1 for 1 with the tower, but if you think you cant take the fight then just leave.
FortisDominus3 votesyou have the choice of dying under turret and losing the tower versus just losing tower. Might be lose-lose, but one is worse.
I can understand a situation where you think you can take the 2v1 and go 1 for 1 with the tower, but if you think you cant take the fight then just leave.
sometimes i get trapped next to my turret. If i try to run the jungler will kill me. if i try to back before the laner finishes pushing the wave to the turret, the jungle can try to provoke me to move to stop my back, or just use an ability to stop my back. Sometimes you are just fucked. But yea, if i know their jungler is comming to dive me i will leave before he gets in position to trap me next to my turret.
Foxstep4 votes[{quoted}](name=Revan Senpai,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GH6jEY2h,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2016-03-29T03:44:27.621+0000)
But then they take the tower and it's your fault. It's kind of a lose-lose situation if your jungler doesn't come to help.
Don't look for excuses. Every time you die there is something you could have done better to prevent dying. A huge part of winning lane is getting not pushed in too heavily. If the enemy laner pushes for years your turrets will be low and it's easy to dive you cause he will have closed to full mana while you used a lot on last hitting under the turret. This is setting ups ganks and when you die, getting pushed in permanently and aren't even trading you will lose the lane and the turret.
Supreme Senpai691 votesIt's a team game and saying that is sort of true, but also sort of arrogant. If there's 5 bot and they all flash/ult you or something, there's nothing you could have done. Sometimes it just can't be helped. Though, I wasn't making excuses lol. Just pointing the fact that either way you can be blamed for it.
Foxstep1 votes[{quoted}](name=Revan Senpai,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GH6jEY2h,comment-id=00000000000000030000,timestamp=2016-03-30T03:28:39.366+0000)
It's a team game and saying that is sort of true, but also sort of arrogant. If there's 5 bot and they all flash/ult you or something, there's nothing you could have done. Sometimes it just can't be helped. Though, I wasn't making excuses lol. Just pointing the fact that either way you can be blamed for it.
With vision in the river and those weak turrets you could have known that they are about to dive you and you can have left before. Also you could have pinged for assistance. But be honest, when was the last time 5 on bot flash ulted you? In my whole league carrier this has not happened to me.
magic pole1 votesonly if your jungler is bad. If they dive/continually dive your jungler should show up to countergank.
OR, take the other towers /dive yourself since you know exactly where their jungler is
Sentinos1 votesAnd uh, you die faster because you left the turret.
Unstoppable Monk12 votesWell, it would be kind of cool to feed a ward to the tower to upgrade its damage temporarily. {{summoner:17}}
Jungle Lux God3 votesWell, it would be kind of cool to feed a ward to the tower make it not completely useless temporarily. {{summoner:17}}
There we go.
DrBiju10 votesThe ward is not to stop dying when they dive you but so you can see them and run away before they reach you :0
(its better in general to just run away and do nothing then getting killed)
FortisDominus5 votesThe ward is not to stop dying when they dive you but so you can see them and run away before they reach you :0
(its better in general to just run away and do nothing then getting killed)
Thats why i said " There are multiple paths the enemy jungler can take to escape my wards or make it so even if i ward (and i see him) i will not be able to get away anyway..."
DrBiju4 votesunless they have a wall jumping jungler, One ward in tribush and another at red buff (or the entrance near mid) is all you need
missinggrave1 votesWall jumping, coming around your lane, coming through the lane, waiting for wards to expire, red trinket, stealth, using a different route, and/or just flat out being able to hard CC or outrun you. Wards do a lot, but they ain't gonna stop a 
or 
or 
from making your day hell.
DrBiju2 votesIf they are using that much resources all on you it mean all the other lane are getting a free pass unless, they are just better than you. In that case you cant get more help than that. Vision is a team game, you see the jungler is passing most of his time in your side have your jungler and mid ward that side.
ownedFaker1 votesObviously, you haven't had a game when the enemy support roams all day long and your bot lane dies 2v1
Krigjer7 votesThats why i said " There are multiple paths the enemy jungler can take to escape my wards or make it so even if i ward (and i see him) i will not be able to get away anyway..."
That moment when 
just glided through the wall, past both my river and tri bush ward and straight to my turret.
bill8410 votesLol bronze split pushing. People say this all the time, but even if you do you get five man ganked. The team then proceeds to not capitalize on all five people being in top lane.
Only Play Darius6 votesOr when it's 4 top but your team is too scared to dive the Jinx holding down mid turret
Bouncemaster Zac9 votes"Buy a ward." Except... wards don't exist in Season 6. You get one pink ward which is impossible to defend if you're on the back foot, and your worthless, 3-min cd, 1-min duration yellow trinket which you should throw away as soon as possible. Unless you sacrifice a slot for Sightstone... you don't get to ward, and it's actually a bad idea to buy a pink ward that will get cleared the instant you place it.
GrReaper968 votesJust buy ward
What is this s5?
SIayton5 votesBuy a ward so you can see them kill you more clearly.
SpecterVonBaren5 votesStealth Ward
V5.22
Removed from the game.
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I would love it if they brought Green Wards back. I understand their reasoning for getting rid of them but I think they could have just made them more expensive and it would have solved the problem all the same while allowing people the option to get them if they really need them.
DexterousGecko4 votesthe problem i have is when someone dies to the same EXACT thing 3 - 5 times in a row, I just have to ask them "have you thought about doing something different than what you're doing?"
Like I get if you're getting tower dove by 3 people, but even then, if they do it repeatedly, ward up, and back off to the next turret then! you're not helping anything by dying over and over again. Roam, ward the jungle, farm a little jungle if your jungler is okay with it, something anything other than just walking to your turret and dying again.
Supreme Senpai692 votesWhen the 0/7 Azir jumps onto the enemy Ahri and dies. It didn't work the first seven times, why would it work now?
chipndip14 votesCorrection: You should have been warding before they killed you enough times to be able to 2-man dive you without taking some sort of penalty in return.
Surr20plz2 votesClearly you didn't buy enough wards shitter!
RookPusher2 votesthe "wtf" added in there is so infuriating. I kinda feel like saying "I don't have time to explain to you why your plan isn't the least bit informed, and small children can figure out why it doesn't work. Lay off the intoxicants."
La Barbotte2 votes''stay under turret'', meanwhile garen tanks it and kill it by himself.....
ImmortalBloodCY2 votesWarding can save you from being dived.
If i am on red side i buy a pink and put it in the tri-bush and when i can i put a ward in the river bush at top.
Also Warding=Map Vision=Map Awareness=Map Control=less chances of being ganked and more chances on killing people.
56552559_DEL2 votesI really dont like the whole "classic bronze wanting to ward" excuse when it comes to warding. That just sounds to me like teammates that would rather blame others for dying so much rather than wanting to help.
It doesnt matter if you are Bronze or Challenger, you need wards. No it doesnt prevent you from dying but it DOES gives you the forethought to know whether or not you should stay in lane and continue to protect your tower or if you should back off. If there are multiple people missing on the map and you have an aggressive laner, chances are that their team is coming to help them push in the tower. If that is the case, you need to back off but only if you have the vision to back up that thought. Because either the missing mid could be going for blue buff with their jg, or the jg and 1 other player could be roaming to your lane to push tower in.
But you would only know that if you had vision around you far enough out to make that kind of decision.
TheVishual2 votes
I hate when people say 'buy a ward' as if wards physically stop the enemy laner and jungler from diving me over and over. There are multiple paths the enemy jungler can take to escape my wards or make it so even if i ward (and i see him) i will not be able to get away anyway...
don't get so behind to the point where the enemy team can dive you under turret so easily
ownedFaker2 votesAre you trolling or did you seriously not see the picture of kindred and malphite?
Incomitatus2 votesI'm one of those people who constantly ward, and call for others to ward more. I'm a support main, typically have 10 - 20 more wards then the enemy team, even if they're completely destroying us...it's just too essential to NOT do. Two things in my eyes are key components towards having the best possible chance of winning, 1.) Vision control for map awareness and understanding the enemy team's movements and priorities, and 2.) Team communication. Yes it sucks if you're being neglected in ANY lane, it's possible, even for bot to be continuously dove by 3, 4, 5 people, only to lose turret and dragon control, then when they rotate to top and mid the infamous "wow bot what are you doing, your laners are pushing mid and top, you know..the only two objectives left!' remarks.
Fact of the matter is, Riot failed miserably with the warding and vision control changes. If you're behind, even if ONE teammate refuses to help with vision, it puts you at an almost insurmountable disadvantage. They failed, but that doesn't excuse you of not trying. Even if you're so far behind you're essentially cannon fodder, you can still at least be useful in this regard, communication and vision.
When I top in ranked, keep in mind I'm absolute trash at anything but support, and have been working hard to try and become a useful laner, I go with the sole goal of not feeding...nothing more. I buy a pink, put it somewhere useful....tribush if it's available, or the bush next to tower and gromp if I'm on blue side or near baron bush. Then as soon as I'm level 9, I discard that worthless yellow trinket that only serves to bait most people into over extending into fog, and getting picked off. I get that blue trinket, and ANY time it's off CD I pop a ward down...somewhere it'd be useful...Along the 3 bushes in top lane, to prevent bush ganks, around our jungle, behind baron, etc. Before we as a team realize, I have 3 - 6 blue trinket wards down, and a pink, and that's how it goes every game. It's not impossible....and yes it's BEYOND helpful when the jungler helps, or other teammates...that's where communication comes in. It's a sad fact that teamwork won't always be possible, so it's best for you to depend on yourself...make it your goal to stay alive, and that's where warding comes in.
Hope your luck in games improve and you get more cooperative teammates, and find yourself enjoying the games more, until then...KEEP WARDING!
Dealth2 votesYou must have fed really hard to get to that point. Probably because you are playing Hecarim top.
No ward will save you from your 10th death but they might save you from your first or second death.
DeynaTaggerung2 votesYou say that but really there's not that many ways for the enemy jungler to come at you. Provided your jungler isn't get stomped all over your own jungle is safe, and if you take into consideration how the enemy jungler usually paths to a gank (you need to ward further out for a shaco/nocturne, expect vi, kha, etc to try a wall hop) and keep track of where the jungler shows up so you know when he's been missing long enough to make it to top lane. If you think about that then knowing when and where to ward becomes rather simple, it might not be 100% but you should spot most ganks and be able to run away. It's also worth mentioning that your opposing laner will often give away a gank by acting aggressive for seemingly no reason...run.
I mostly play mid lane where there's about a million paths to get ganked from but usually having 1 ward and cheating to that side of the lane is enough to escape 80% of ganks(provided I'm not overaggressing like an idiot).
Arakadia2 votesOne of my ADC's got mad at me cuz the enemy Rammus ganked us. I don't remember if we lived or not but, I remember him saying "Why didn't you ward?".
A: I did ward, it was on cooldown and before my first back for a pinky.
B: He can ward 2.
C: Wards don't magically stop the jungler from ganking, they give you a headsup.
Only Play Darius1 votesMalphite has enough armor to tank the turret and Kindred can just ult while she walks out of turret range. Sadly there is literally nothing you can do but beg your jungler for help.
kaltenashes1 votesOr if see her coming, you can let them take your turret and walk away, or ping help and hopefully mid and/or jungler will come help, but in low mmr only the enemy mid laner knows how to roam
TallyZrg1 votesBuy a pink and place it under tower when they towerdive you. Maybe you'll get lucky and they'll misclick the ward. xD
Or they'll be distracted by the irresistible urge to hit the shiny pink thing.
The Queen Viper1 votesI hate when people say 'buy a ward' as if wards physically stop the enemy laner and jungler from diving me over and over.
Well it does if you put a Pink into your tribush for example... gives you enough time to GTFO.
Just let the tower go.
And please for the love of god, you are Hecarim... you can even use your ult to get away.
Now try to play Cassiopeia top and realize how easy life you are having.
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kaltenashes1 votesIf you are pushine lane you can pink ward the river and you can see the enemy coming and will have enough time to GTFO
If you're being pushed to turret keep a pink in tribush or the bush near gromp and you can see the enemy coming and will have enough time to GTFO
Its better to lose a turret than losing your life and the turret
Steven Mcburn1 votesIn most cases when a top/jungler sees they can just dive you and keep you from getting levels they won't kill the tower. There's a very distinct advantage to having your solo laner 4+ levels higher than the other solo laner, so if you can keep hard pushing and just farm while they can't and while they die over and over when they get to lane it's best to do that.
Yeah, in an ideal world if you're behind you let them take the tower then freeze it and hope your team doesn't absolutely fall apart 4v5 while you catch up. But people take full advantage of how snowbally top is and will take you out of the game completely well before taking your tower.
for the edit: Probably should've warded way before then and avoided feeding the kills in the first place. But after you've already fed, it gets to a point that you'll be massively underleveled and your team just loses because you won't catch back up. You can't stand near the exp by the tower, if they just let minions push it down they deny you for a really long time.
Hell, sometimes you don't even feed a kill and are equal in CS and they just dive you anyway. Especially with something like malphite and kindred who are both ridiculously good at diving top lane. Once you miss a minion wave or two while dead (or even if you just go b and live through the gank) you're pretty much screwed for the rest of the game.
Twiggles1 votesUpvoted because Scrubs
Masterkerfuffle1 votesI agree, but the OP is playing Hecarim wrong if they ever die from a gank.
Nunya Bezwacks1 votesNo...but if you got a ward and used it you wouldn't have lost so bad that they could dive you without risk of dying themselves kindreds ult helps yeah but its like a old western stand off the moment that ult drops the heal everyone rushes to kill each other. If they drop it and run off its a free tryndamere ult for you, and a free heal, if they don't drop it then again not being beaten to the point they can dive you for free is a good way to prevent dying in a tower dive,and if they choose to drop it and fight then stay in it burn them down and blast the furry into oblivion the moment it comes down. As hecarim you have 2 good ways of getting out which means if they dive you its because you tried to fight the malphite and kindred did her job and interfered in the fight so yes a ward would stop you from dying.
I don't understand how its so hard for people to understand that all you do is play safe and this shit never goes down that way unless the enemy is like annie who's only counter play is simply not being near her past 6 its not hard to stay under tower and farm. People can complain "towers don't do anything waaah waah but if you people didn't die 9 fucking times in lane you would be able to hurt them and the tower wouldn't be useless. if a 1/0 malphite tower dives you with a kindred,neither will have the burst hec does when that aoe comes down. Unless you some how got caught so bad malphite didn't need his ult and they just walked with you back to your tower.
Moll1 votesIt happens, main reason why you never want to counter pick yourself. So you have some advantage.
Warding is still good to let your team know shit is about to go down and come help. I love Warding as a jungle, when I see a gank coming I race to the lane and usually can turn it around.
I would like to say i have 4 champions and I usually can tower dive and come out untouched at level 6. I say this because it's going to happen and people will yell at you and there's nothing you can do. Just ignore them and don't instigate the conversation so you won't be in trouble with the tribunal.
I've gotten so many people to rage quit or rage at each other just by destroying the later through tower dives.
Lord Galvatron1 votesNot saying that your response is unjustified, but you would not believe how many times people die to ganks that could of easily prevented buy just warding the river/brush.
In that scenario……. yea, unless you ward deep river (which is not your problem/priority in top lane) you are going to die to that gank almost every time. It also doesn't help that Hecarim was "olafed", and is currently unplayable/unviable at the moment. This is coming from a person who bought the Elderwood Hecarim skin, and played a ton of Hecarim the patch before they dumpstered him. (52 -> 47%) win rate