So can someone explain this to me?

Zetto··1 votes·341 views

Ok. So. Malzahar. I'd make an aids joke if it wasn't so overused. I posed the question of cleanse vs malz ult a little while ago to some of my friends. After a test run, we came to the conclusion that cleanse does a grand total of jack squat. After asking around the general conclusion regarding cleanse working similarly to QSS, which only removes the suppression and doesn't stop the mass damage, is that it would be too unfair against malzahar. First of all, I straight-up disagree with this, for a couple of reasons. First of all, as I stated before, It simply removes the suppression while leaving the damage intact, which says very little as the DOT thanks to his ult, space aids, item 3151 , and deathfire touch, with ignite on top of that, you are still most likely going to die, unless you're a tank. You could argue that cleanse would be unfair for warwick, whose only CC is his ult, but I think that stands to say that warwick simply needs a rework.

On top of that, this difference in possibility of use here is either unfair to the player or simply sloppy work on Riot's part. If it's purposeful, riot is actively lying to players, which tbh, can be deciding factors in games if a player takes cleanse against someone like malz, only to find out they basically wasted a summoner spell on a laner that its nearly entirely unaffective against. If it's sloppy, well, riot's simply being sloppy and not keeping their technical mechanics together. Cleanse and malz have both existed for quite some time, so I imagine this has come up before. Is a tooltip change really all that much to ask?

I won't lie. I'm a little salty cause I had this very experience not too long ago, but I feel like my complaints are at least semi-justified. Feel free to reply with comments on the issue. I welcome them, as I'd like to see some other people's opinions.

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Erockandroll2 votes

I have never completely understood why they have not tried to create uniformity between QSS and Cleanse. Though I would still argue that no effect should break the tether. Short of CCing malz during it's channel or moving out of range.

It may be (suffice it to say) that a point and click tether does lack counterplay. It's not exactly unblanaceable. Cause all that power is focused on a single target. And arguably he can be a Duelist mage. Making his weakness being the gangup.

Alakalzam1 votes

Wait, why would any QSS or cleanse stop his ult from dealing damage? The damage is dealt by the tether, not by the suppression effect. Get out of range of the tether or silence, stun, or knock him up and his channel will be interrupted.

In short, use your QSS so you're not suppressed, then CC his ass to stop his channel. Or get out of the range of the tether (range 700).

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

I posed the question of cleanse vs malz ult a little while ago to some of my friends. After a test run, we came to the conclusion that cleanse does a grand total of jack squat.

The main reason behind this is that Suppression prevents you from using Summoner Spells so that you cannot activate Cleanse. QSS overrides this functionality.

See here: http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Suppress#Suppress

Vesarixx1 votes

The way any of the suppression abilities in the game work at the moment is a bit unhealthy, I made a clip a while ago where I predicted a Warwick utl and timed Charm to hit him when the animation started to knock him out of it but the ult just went through anyway(invincibility frames?) so you can't really even prevent a lot of these when you predict them, never mind that they have no animation. Malzahar Ult can even catch you mid flash somehow, so if he ults you right as you flash you end up wasting it and the damage still goes off, the ult animation is just longer(happened to me multiple times).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eBB_0_X1Tc

Troll Armada1 votes

try that thingy that's round looking you build it from the magic resist cape and then if you want can make it into a sword.

Get Quicksilver Sash

item 3140

... anyway that always screws me over when players get that, as malz

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