Instead of Nerfing Sejuani

Tentakill Myself·Mar 20, 2015·2 votes·838 views

Why don't you attempt the forbidden and buff some of the other tank junglers so she doesn't seem so OP.

15 Comments

The5lackerMar 20, 20152 votes

Sejuani needs nerfs, there's no doubt about it at this point. A 57.5% Win Rate and a 15% Pick rate for nearly a week is excessive.

The problem is that when Sej is obviously a problem it gets solved in less than a week, but when J4, Vi, Lee Sin, Nidalee, Zed, etc. are all dominant and popular for months or even years, Riot just kinda sits on their hands and hopes the whole issue sorts itself out.

blacktornado21Mar 20, 20151 votes

Remember when rito nerfed lee sin, and the gd flipped shit so much that they reverted the nerfs.

MrPerson10Mar 20, 20151 votes

Remember when Zed and Lee Sin are two of the hardest champions to use effectively?

Yeah, that's still a thing. There's a reason for their "imbalance" as everyone seems to think it is.

J4 was nerfed. Vi doesn't fit into as many games with tank junglers taking over, Nidalee could use a numbers nerf but is still not the easiest champ to use.

The5lackerMar 20, 20151 votes

Remember when Riot had a fully fledged Lee Sin rework that didn't actually cost him any of his power but limited his effectiveness towards either being an assassin or a bruiser, not both at the same time?

MrPerson10Mar 20, 20151 votes

they just received a blanket buff with cinderhulk for true tank jungles.

They're nerfing her slightly because her winrates specifically shot through the roof world-wide, ranging between 55-60%.

Tentakill MyselfMar 20, 20151 votes

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they just received a blanket buff with cinderhulk for true tank jungles.

They're nerfing her slightly because her winrates specifically shot through the roof world-wide, ranging between 55-60%.

I dont understand how her winrate is so high when Zac is clearly 420x better than her.

Zac Zac Zac MASTER RACE Zac Zac Zac

MrPerson10Mar 20, 20151 votes

Sejuani provides a lot more utility for a team than Zac does, requiring far less skill to use effectively.

VoidgolemMar 20, 20151 votes

the other tank junglers are already pretty OK though.

It's just Sej (and amumu) also have the super-broken aoe CC parts that have literally always been gamewinners. Mite unfair to nerf them as opposed to, idk, putting in more anti-CC shit. But putting in anti-CC shit would indirectly nerf most mids, so we can't have that.

Her winrate's always been pretty high.

The5lackerMar 20, 20152 votes

Putting in more anti-CC would hurt TANKS, not mids. You know, those tank junglers that also were the intended target of Cinderhulk?

VoidgolemMar 20, 20151 votes

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Putting in more anti-CC would hurt TANKS, not mids. You know, those tank junglers that also were the intended target of Cinderhulk?

Tanks are much less prevalent than orianna/morg/annie/Generic Mid With Gigantic AoE Nuke/stun/popup all at once ult #44

The5lackerMar 20, 20151 votes

And of course Tenacity would solve all of those problems.

Sure is nice that the cheapest Tenacity item in the game also grants MR. What was your complaint again?

VoidgolemMar 20, 20151 votes

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And of course Tenacity would solve all of those problems.

Sure is nice that the cheapest Tenacity item in the game also grants MR. What was your complaint again?

sure is nice that you're still stunned for 2s even with tenacity, unless you happen to be irelia, Mundo, or Olaf.

also nice that MR has been almost literally a joke stat since S3 unless you're significantly ahead.

The5lackerMar 20, 20151 votes

So you'd like a game without CC then?

I knew it was you, Yi. MasterYi

VoidgolemMar 20, 20151 votes

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So you'd like a game without CC then?

I knew it was you, Yi.

Nah. Just used to having more things I can do about CC besides "Don't show up to teamfights if the enemy is packing more than two CC ults" and "You got tagged by the bus-sized hitbox? Suck it up and die".

Old pre-S1 Cleanse was excellent. DotA's BKB is excellent (though I wouldn't go so far as to have an item that makes you immune to spells in League, just...functional MR would be enough).