[repost] Why pick fiora when u can pick master yi?

The Deckowner··2 votes·726 views

Fiora has %hp true damage that can be proc once a few seconds MasterYi has true damage from autos and will do plenty by just stacking attackspeed Fiora takes quite a bit of practice to perform her kit MasterYi as long as u can press e and r then right click on the enemy you are fine, also occasionally u can press q too. Fiora has massive heal from her passive MasterYi has his w on a even lower cd and dmg reduction Fiora can build juggernaut style, pretty tanky and do plenty of dmg MasterYi can build full tank and do more damage Fiora has a one button nuke that is a skillshot which nullifies all cc and dmg MasterYi has a one button nuke that removes him from the map while still doing AUTO-TARGETED damage Fiora has a two-hit damage steroid on her e MasterYi has a duration of stronger steroid on his e Fiora is hard to kite because she has cc immunity for a second which require her to do some quick reflexes MasterYi is harder to kite because he has slow immunity for a billion seconds and he delete people rather quickly

TL;DR Fiora takes skill to do something(killing people) MasterYi takes no skill and do exact the same thing better(deleting people)

ah I really like the good old times before fiora rework where Fiora vsMasterYi was quite relevant because both had similar kits.

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MisterHealYoGirl2 votes

You're missing out on a lot of Fiora's advantages, here. Her dodge skill (Master Yi's Q, Fiora's W) isn't also her only gap closer. She can heal while continuing to do damage, and her heal isn't interrupted by CC. Master Yi has no defensive mobility, and can only use his dodge skill aggressively and while an enemy is near. Fiora's dodge skill both GUTS an autoattacker's damage (50% attack speed slow) and applies CC of her own. Fiora also provides healing for her whole team with her ultimate.

The Deckowner1 votes

master yi need no gap closers, his ult gives him plenty of movement speed. alpha strike isnt as broken as fiora's w BUT it's cooldown is very very low because it is reduced when master yi aa. with the fiora w nerf she probably gonna use it once or twice in a fight while yi can spam it at least 3+ times. and why will u use ur dodge ability when your enemy isnt even near? the bit of slow on fiora w is pretty bad tbh. and healing requires she procing all 4 vitals or kill the target, which again ties to the moral of the story: takes skill.

MisterHealYoGirl1 votes

Going point by point. If you're using movement speed as your only gap closer and DON'T get CCed to death, the enemy team deserves what's coming to them.

You would use your dodge ability to block initiation skills like Dark Binding, Rocket Grab, or Flash Frost; Yi can't do it unless he's engaging on someone.

Fiora's slow, though short-duration, is pretty strong, and it's the strongest attack speed slow in League.

I was talking about the heal she gets from vitals; her core damage mechanic is also her core combat heal. The ultimate is just a bonus.

The Deckowner1 votes

with 3k+hp and 150+resistances if the enemy team cc u to death they pretty much burned everything and ur team should clean up.

when someone is trying to land cc on you it also means they are initiating/peeling awat from your initiation, people dont just throw their long cd hard cc for pokes.

using fiora's w for slow removes her ability to nuke, and tbh if u hit that w at max range even with a q following up u might not actually get the enemy.

her heal from vitals despite sometimes is tricky to hit, does take awhile to reform, which means it's inconsistant.

MisterHealYoGirl1 votes

The build you put in the comments is as squishy as hell for the first twenty minutes. Devourer into Rageblade gives no defensive stats at all, and the components of the defensive items aren't great, either.

Have you ever played Morgana or Anivia? Q-W/E is literally their whole poke pattern. Blitzcrank is a little different, but he doesn't use his Q as an engage tool; it's for picks. If he grabs you on fewer than four items, make no mistake, you WILL die.

Are you playing AP Fiora or something? Her W is not where the nuke is, honey. And the absolute maximum range of her W is only two teemos longer than her Q, which is on a 3.2 second cooldown. She can catch you.

Vitals take half a second to reform. That's the average minimum human reaction time.

The Deckowner1 votes

except everybody pre 20 minute is squishy as hell isnt it?

(not on my computer rn dont wanna argue without statistics)

MisterHealYoGirl1 votes

Well, no; many tanks build into Sunfire/Spirit Visage first, and even some mages build RoA or Rylai's. The important thing there is that most squishies have a range advantage: sure, Caitlyn's Rapid Firecannon and Infinity Edge aren't making her tanky, but she can reliably stay behind the members of her team that are. The only people in Yi's situation are some AD and AP assassins (not even all of them; Black Cleaver/Maw of Malmortius, etc); however, they have the burst to accomplish their job very fast, while Yi is autoattack based, meaning that he has to hang out in the middle of the enemy team for a significant amount of time before getting anything done.

The Deckowner1 votes

jax xin udyr shyvana every devourer jungler cries for u stating them useless pre 20

MisterHealYoGirl1 votes

I didn't say that they were useless. I said that any melee character who builds Devourer into Rageblade is going to be very, very squishy for the first twenty minutes. Most of those champions also have strong crowd control and defensive steroids (Udyr's Turtle and Bear Stance, Jax's Counter Strike, Xin's Battle Cry and Crescent Sweep, Shyvana's passive and ultimate), which Yi just doesn't have. (The heal doesn't count because he's not doing damage during it. It's more like Zhonya's than a real steroid; it's for getting your cooldowns back.)

BluePolarizer1 votes

3000+ HP and 150+ resistances in nothing in a late game battle.

I just played a game as 6 slotted, 4K HP, 300 armor, 150 MR Mundo. I got destroyed in 4 seconds with ult on. There was also a Volibear on my team and he died just as fast. Enemy team was full damage: Zed, Riven, Rengar, Corki, Lulu, and they tanked for comparable amounts of time as full tank Mundo and Voli while outputting way more damage.

The Deckowner1 votes

and yet 200 armor 2000 hp Akali with only base mr can tank a full build Corki 's full dmg combo and still have more than half of her hp. people build tanks on assasins for a reason

BluePolarizer1 votes

Akali has much more ways to avoid being damaged due to her mobility, while Mundo has to eat all the damage the enemy team outputs. I suspect that a full tank Fizz would stay alive in a teamfight far longer than Mundo.

Twiggles2 votes

Here's the difference that matters most to me.

Fiora Is a lot of fun.

MasterYi Is literally a bag of dicks.

Hashtag:DeleteYi2016

The Deckowner1 votes

totally true, take my knee and my upvotes.

Twiggles1 votes

Thanks for the upvote, but uh...

*Holds up your severed knee and examines it briefly.

The fuck am I supposed to do with this? >_>;

The Deckowner1 votes

remove the head and eat it ~Bear Graves

Lil Lewd Witch1 votes

Fiora's ult can aid in a team fight and also her riposte is a lot different than Yi's slow immunity. Plus yi is more of a clean up, team fight dps champion while Fiora is better at 1v1ing in the side lines and causing huge pressure.

The Deckowner1 votes

tbh usually people who got ulted by fiora just keep one of the vitals against the wall and u will never proc it, or they can just hide behind their front line.

also yi is one of the traditional split pusher along side with Tryndamere

Lil Lewd Witch1 votes

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tbh usually people who got ulted by fiora just keep one of the vitals against the wall and u will never proc it, or they can just hide behind their front line.

also yi is one of the traditional split pusher along side with Tryndamere

Split pusher is different now than it use to be. A well played fiora is almost impossible to 1v1, which is why it creates a lot more pressure than simply trying to sneak a tower down while no one is there. Plus fiora can do it at any stage of the game, instead of needing time to scale like yi

The Deckowner1 votes

i believe at the same skill level a master yi should be able to outduel a fiora, as long as u can use a q while fiora try to q, her q will miss and go on a full length cd, and all she got left is aa.

also split push usually doesnt start until mid game right?

Lil Lewd Witch1 votes

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i believe at the same skill level a master yi should be able to outduel a fiora, as long as u can use a q while fiora try to q, her q will miss and go on a full length cd, and all she got left is aa.

also split push usually doesnt start until mid game right?

Fiora can riposte the Alpha Strike, plus she gets heals the entire fight while your build with yi provides none. Fiora simply beats yi. Plus, Yi is a jungler and Fiora is top. You're not even comparing relevant things. I told you why Fiora > Yi, if you dont agree you wont, ever.

The Deckowner1 votes

btw MasterYi item 3931 item 3124 item 3742 item 3065 item 3111 item 3143

FioraWillCarry1 votes

I agree with the OP. I played Yi for the 1st time a couple days ago. And with out even trying, I went on a rampage with something near 30 kills and less than 10 deaths. I have never EVER had such an easy time dominating with a champ I NEVER played before. It took absolutely no effort at all for me to dominate the game. A strong champ like that should not be so easy.

LaserDeathBlade1 votes

For when you want to do anything before 20 minutes?

The Deckowner1 votes

not like fiora is that strong early game

BluePolarizer1 votes

Fiora is incredibly strong early game. She is a harder lane bully than Renekton while scaling like Nasus.

iody1 votes

why you ask? because the best league of legends players in the world play fiora........ and yi gets shit on in lane

The Deckowner1 votes

TL;DR the pros say fiora is good so everyone follow them.

@cowsep

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