Why do Shen/Kench/Karma have to be gutted because of pro play only?

Clementine·8/17/2018, 1:10:33 AM·34 votes·13,105 views

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There has to be another way besides making these champs unplayable in solo queue than just nerfing their numbers over and over again. They're all unplayable unless you want to play to lose pretty much

69 Comments

Infernape8/17/2018, 1:21:31 AM19 votes

Because Riot cannot balance the game between casual and pro play. That's pretty much evident, looking at champs like Shen, Sejuani, Ornn, Zac, Kalista, Azir and Ryze.

It is pretty sad to have a champ you like and play gutted (while having a low win rate already) and kept in the gutter because 0.01% of League's overall playerbase can use them to the fullest extent of their abilities.

And the worst part is, you'd probably get radio silence if you tried to ask for any sort of buff or power redistribution (to take away their competitive strength and put that strength into the rest of their kit) on any of them.

Takahashi938/17/2018, 1:25:40 AM11 votes

I have been complaining about Shen being useless for awhile now

Blåbæret8/17/2018, 7:18:59 AM5 votes

Because Riot doesn't realize where they get all their revenue from. Stop supporting Riot and don't buy skins!

KÎŢŢΥKÂŢKÂŢÂRÎÑÂ8/17/2018, 11:11:44 AM5 votes

Why do pros not ban the broken pro play champs? [sg-lux-2]

Krully8/17/2018, 2:19:49 PM3 votes

A solution to this would be telling pro play to get fisted and just use a ban on them

Illabethe8/17/2018, 2:14:28 AM3 votes

Karma win rate has been that for awhile now, even though she actually dominates. Too many people are inflexible and playing her wrong.

Chimp Joker8/17/2018, 8:17:29 AM3 votes

Bruh. League of Legends aside....what is with that username!?.....

l MrD l8/17/2018, 4:23:44 PM2 votes

my guess is that its purely for LCS ... if you notice them 3 have one thing in common... theyre very good at saving lifes (tahm W, shen R and karma RE) i think rito want the LCS to be a slaughter just lots of kills hence why yasuo although very high ban in solo Q can never be weak if he is (crit changes) then hes fixed immeditely as well as Zoe broken and a mistake of a champion but the E Q combo is never touched why ? because they easily kill :S

just my theory but basically if ahcmapion is common in LCS and saves lives then theyre nerfed

An Enemy Sutando8/17/2018, 12:46:24 PM2 votes

Because these champs are too strong when played in a highly coordinated environment, which is exactly what pro play is. Riot still refuses to balance separately for the competitive scene, for whatever reason.

Naymliss8/17/2018, 1:23:28 PM2 votes

Shen, kench, and karma? Ryze Azir regularly get nerfed down to below 40% winrates (and their winrates when mastered aren't much higher) because of the lcs.

rayzo8/18/2018, 7:15:03 PM1 votes

you forgot aboutAzir Galio Ryze Kalista Zac Gragas Sejuani Taliyah

Sire Hippington8/17/2018, 11:10:58 AM1 votes

First off, this patch on a low pickrate champ has a poor samplesize for proper stats, it's only 2 days in. Also, by the looks of it those are stats for the support role. Kench support got hit really hard, but toplane he does fine and he might even work in the jungle since the lower CDs are a nice boost to his clear. Shen support is something that most people probably play because they saw it in pro without haveing any idea how it actually works, playing it wrong and/or picking it into the wrong setup. Shen top has a close to 50%win, which really isn't 'gutted' Karma is just a generic mess and really deserves another vgu that hopefully picks ups some stuff from her OLD kit.

Want to know what gutted is? Wukong dropping to a 44% winrate this patch...

Sirsir8/17/2018, 11:28:51 PM1 votes

I thought kench was gutted because he was consistently too strong overall.

The Highest Noon8/17/2018, 1:12:13 AM1 votes

All three have been a problem for a while now. That's why they get gutted, not because of "pro play." I question the Shen though, but then again nobody plays him in normals against me so it's whatever.