Make up your mind riot. Pyke is either a tank or an assassin

PopcornBunni·Feb 2, 2019·11 votes·5,165 views

Having absurd base damage on stealthed hooks, massive hitboxes on his stun, and a true damage execute that invalidates tanks and squishies alike would be bad enough.

But this son of a bitch gets more base health and base resistances than any other champion, A-tier base health regen, and a passive which offers even more health regen without counterplay.

If at the very least keeping him in vision would whittle off the grey health he's built up there would be some modicum of counterplay if you play a front-line support and can keep pressure on him; but no, he just gets to stand around passively getting a free red potion every 90 seconds from his busted base health regen,then dip into bush to get back to full if he makes a mistake. Because why have windows of punishment when you can make big assassin auto fill support plays

13 Comments

hhaavviikkFeb 2, 20195 votes

I like how you didn't include support as that's clearly what he isn't, still hate he even exist, riot just had to create an assassin that needs 0 gold to work so that he could be played bot...

xDelightifyxFeb 2, 20193 votes

And who eaxctly asked for this? This was again only for the personal satisfaction of a riot rember. Noone having a decent game knowledge would have implemented pyke, like he is atm. Especially adc and suppprt mains hate assasines in general, so why would we want one needing 0 money on botlane? Espeically in a meta, where you have no counterplay for the hillarious ammounts of dmg. (lulu can shield 300 of a 1500 burst every 8 seconds, wheras rengar for example can just jump out of a bush every 0.2 s dealing 1000 dmg +. And Rengar is a pretty balanced compared to other Assasines.

hhaavviikkFeb 2, 20191 votes

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And who eaxctly asked for this? This was again only for the personal satisfaction of a riot rember. Noone having a decent game knowledge would have implemented pyke, like he is atm. Especially adc and suppprt mains hate assasines in general, so why would we want one needing 0 money on botlane? Espeically in a meta, where you have no counterplay for the hillarious ammounts of dmg. (lulu can shield 300 of a 1500 burst every 8 seconds, wheras rengar for example can just jump out of a bush every 0.2 s dealing 1000 dmg +. And Rengar is a pretty balanced compared to other Assasines.

presumably riot implemented him so that people who get autofilled support can just play an assassin botlane instead so that people aren't as upset when they get autofilled, they did mention time and time again that support is the least liked role so an easy way to fix that is to just add mages and assassins to the ''support'' role

xDelightifyxFeb 3, 20191 votes

why would you focus on autofilled players, if you could make support a overall more attraktiv role instead? What you mentions just ruins this game even more as the anti favourism towards supports (and support mains) that riot has. Once more riots biasedness is shown perfectly. Seriously atm, or better since a year there is nothing good about league if you are playing as support. main (except u are a brand abuser). The only reason im still playing is that i hope all this dmg favorism changes will get reverted, because riot will understand that dmg (especially ture dmg) solves nothing. This game went from kind of fair with little balance issues to insanely favourism towards assasines and apcs and extreme dislike towards tanks and supports. Tbh i sometimes i feel like the entire support role was degraded (7.23) just to be feed for assasines now. Who wonders why LoL is losing insane amounts of players on all not korean (or asian in general) servers.

ParoeFeb 2, 20192 votes

I think youre... focusing on the wrong things here. Pykes base stats are tuned from a "this champion would normally buy black cleaver" stand point, which is why he has such high base HP.

His W healing mechanic is indeed very strong for no reason and should probably just be flat removed at this point.

PopcornBunniFeb 2, 20193 votes

I don't think the healing needs outright removed if it just had counterplay by ticking down if you keep him in range. It would force him to back off more and leave more windows of opportunity against him without removing one of his unique strengths entirely.

ParoeFeb 3, 20191 votes

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I don't think the healing needs outright removed if it just had counterplay by ticking down if you keep him in range. It would force him to back off more and leave more windows of opportunity against him without removing one of his unique strengths entirely.

Thing is Pyke doesnt need the heal in the first place. Its there to give him lane superiority through staying power. Personally, what i would like to see is the flat heal converted into lethality scaling HP/5.

You have 25 lethality? You have 25HP/5 while out of enemy vision.

IllabetheFeb 2, 20192 votes

For one thing:

Pyke can't hook while stealthed. That's just an outright lie.

Second, his AD scaling/Base damage on his abilities is the lowest in the game for the kit called "Assassins" and barely beats out adcs in Base AD. You have to play something pretty squishy to be killed solo by a Pyke.

There are three champions with more base HP, and again..... he can't gain BONUS HP, so it's merited. And before you say "He gets AD for it," Once again: He has one of the lowest Base AD in the game At level 18, 93. That's 36 less than Darius. It takes almost his entire game's HP conversion to make up that difference.

He has lower HP at any point of the game than any champion but an adc. and that's simply because they build full AD and roll the dice. Mages get 1300-1500 Bonus HP in items, and Tanks are self explanatory. Even other assassins carry up to 2600 HP, because of Black Cleaver.

Third: His bar is NOT Grey health. His bar is "Potential Grey Health." If you do not lose vision on him, he can't use it, (unlike Tahm) And if you're warding well, it's easy to keep vision.

Fourth: He can be slowed going into his W, which dramatically destroys any escape he had planned. Many champs can even outrun him or skill to him faster than he can get away.

He's a 48% Champ. Cry all you want. You could learn to play against him, or you can just rage.

TargonFeb 2, 20192 votes

The nerf that I would like to see Pyke get is on his W. Pyke should have to choose between the high pick potential and lane pressure of his Q OR the safety that his W provides, but that's not the case. His W has a 12 second cooldown at rank 1 and levelling it up reduces the cooldown by 0.5 seconds. The starting cool down should be much higher for such a strong ability. It would make punishing him in lane easier.

boricCentaur1Feb 2, 20191 votes

Is this a troll post or do you not know that pyke can't build hp and he is played as support meaning he is down gold so he needs higher base stats since assassins items are not as cheap or gold efficient as tank and support items. His stun is perfectly fine it is one of the most fair abilities in the game like maybe try moving and not standing still since the hitbox is basically the same as the trail. Also there is counter play every ability can be dodged, most front line supports beat him since you kill him by all in not poke maybe actually think before you say something has no counter play.

MoonscourgeFeb 2, 20191 votes

He is an assassin support, learn to deal with it. He isn't tanky, he just shrugs off poke.

Zed geniusFeb 2, 20191 votes

no one plays him assassin seriously, afterschock and tank does the job much better

LemonfaaceFeb 2, 20191 votes

The only things that makes him tanky is Aftershock and his cc. He hooks, which slows hard, then with Aftershock he tanks damage for himself/an ally, then he escapes with a stun and heals everything off. Really it’s just Aftershock doing all the work with its ridiculous base stats.