Please revert the Darius rework

Jefftiffy··2 votes·869 views

I don't like it at all. And I have Dunk Master Darius. I could get his max stacks off in about 1.5s before rework. Now its just so bad. I can barely get them off in 4s assuming the enemy is dumb enough to walk into the blade then walk back into me for some weird reason. If they don't then it takes upwards of 5s to ramp up to even old Darius state but now you don't have mobility to stick and your pull isn't reliable.

We traded mobility for a gimmicky as hell passive that no longer does magic damage to make up for our damage build. It does less damage throughout the game (yay armor being the dominant build). The pull is so utterly unreliable now (pull bug was only thing keeping his old kit together). The delay on his Q feels like much longer than .75s. Not to mention that our passive won't even heal if they are hit by your handle. Meaning that Darius the person supposed to go in loses damage and sustain for going in? The handle doesn't apply bleed anymore. On top of this you took away AS meaning we now take longer to get hemorrage stacks in trades. We lost damage on our ult unless we get 5 stacks off (near impossible now between the handle removal and AS reduction). We lost our scaling damage and built in CDR on W and now so it literally doesn't scale at all.

The only good thing is he basically has near infinite mana, because you know that's going to somehow win you lane when Nasus can just ignore you now. His kit is just so all over the place that it's pathetic.

This doesn't feel like the dunk master anymore. It feels like the bulky guy who walks around and gets kited unless the enemy team is absolutely terrible.

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Jamaree1 votes

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I could get his max stacks off in about 1.5s before rework.

...How....literally how? Did you have max AS?

Jefftiffy1 votes

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...How....literally how? Did you have max AS?

aa - Q (aa animation cancel similar to how Riven cancels her abilities with other ones) - aa - W (aa reset) - E - aa. 5 stacks all very fast. Also hydra can act as an AA animation cancel to allow you to get it with less up. After hydra it's usually E - aa - W - hydra - aa - Q - aa.

I loved Darius because he was the lane bully I synergized well with and it helps shut a lot of late game powerhouses like Nasus and Gnar down and on top of that I have always loved his look and feel until his rework. I waited until after the server change to make any impressions to see how improved ping would help. It hasn't.

Jamaree1 votes

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aa - Q (aa animation cancel similar to how Riven cancels her abilities with other ones) - aa - W (aa reset) - E - aa. 5 stacks all very fast. Also hydra can act as an AA animation cancel to allow you to get it with less up. After hydra it's usually E - aa - W - hydra - aa - Q - aa.

Unless you have about 2.0 AS that would take longer then 1.5 seconds right?

I loved Darius because he was the lane bully I synergized well with and it helps shut a lot of late game powerhouses like Nasus and Gnar down and on top of that I have always loved his look and feel until his rework. I waited until after the server change to make any impressions to see how improved ping would help. It hasn't.

More then fair you don't like how he plays now, but he might be better then he was before, though I don't fully know, haven't been able to get him since he has been permabanned.

Jefftiffy1 votes

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Unless you have about 2.0 AS that would take longer then 1.5 seconds right?

More then fair you don't like how he plays now, but he might be better then he was before, though I don't fully know, haven't been able to get him since he has been permabanned.

It's entirely possible AA animation cancels and AA resets allow you to surpass the maximum AS. Same way that Jax is able to quickly proc his ult hit on a person with on 1 ability and 2 AAs with the help of even just a little AS. AA animation canceling is hard to pull off, but it is actually better than an AA reset because the AA continues during an ability but it also removes the back swing animation on melee champs. It's a timing thing that is very precise and not very many champs have move than 1 AA reset/animation cancel in their kits.

Calabok1 votes

A revert ain't gonna happen.

Jefftiffy1 votes

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A revert ain't gonna happen.

glares at Fizz Yea I'm pretty sure it can. The only thing they haven't done is take the damage amp off his ult.

1Eldunari1 votes

i never have a problem getting 5 stacks and also i like that his passive does AD because now it stacks with item 3071 dunno how youre playing bro but all my darius games end up with the enemy cowering under the tower waiting for their jungle to come and save them

Jefftiffy1 votes

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i never have a problem getting 5 stacks and also i like that his passive does AD because now it stacks with item 3071 dunno how youre playing bro but all my darius games end up with the enemy cowering under the tower waiting for their jungle to come and save them

The problem is Darius gained strength in his late game and lost his early game. There is no one left to bully sustain top laners that doesn't AoE nuke the farm. Old Darius used to do this but it didn't matter because he just had to bait out a long CD then go in on them and could dance around the minions and trade without hitting them. And the problem with gaining strength in late game as Darius is not only is that his weakest point, but they also gutted his mobility and his one way to start fights. Now he just kind of walks up and hopes no one is smart enough to either stay out of his range and kite him or doesn't have an escape.

He got about equal in terms of damage and a potentially scary late game in exchange for a huge loss in utility. I wouldn't really call that a buff, if anything its a gut (utility > potential damage in most cases).

Paero1 votes

And I'm not happy with the Sion and Soraka reworks, yet I got over it and I still play sion

Jefftiffy1 votes

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And I'm not happy with the Sion and Soraka reworks, yet I got over it and I still play sion

Um... Sion's was amazing. His old kit was so bad just a bunch of weird stuff thrown together that worked on release but was weird for the current game. Soraka's was... unneeded. I feel like she had just as good of an identity either way, but I liked having the mana battery more because it helped push people like Vayne out of lane by allowing early game bullies to do their job.

As for Darius, I think this patch made him literally trash tier for pro play. There is 0 reason to pick him now. Just way too much counter play in his kit that can be easily abused. (something people forget is that the passive heal only procs on the blade not the handle)

Paero1 votes

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Um... Sion's was amazing. His old kit was so bad just a bunch of weird stuff thrown together that worked on release but was weird for the current game. Soraka's was... unneeded. I feel like she had just as good of an identity either way, but I liked having the mana battery more because it helped push people like Vayne out of lane by allowing early game bullies to do their job.

As for Darius, I think this patch made him literally trash tier for pro play. There is 0 reason to pick him now. Just way too much counter play in his kit that can be easily abused. (something people forget is that the passive heal only procs on the blade not the handle)

The old Sion was amazing at pushing and if you built him as a lifesteal tank (AP he was terrible) you could do a lot of damage while standing in the enemy team outhealing their dps

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