The New Essence Reaver- We Should Probably Look At This

Meep Man··36 votes·43,448 views

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This item, in it's current iteration on the PBE, is actually rather revolutionary for a fair few champions. This actually changes the game for a lot of champions, many who aren't just Marksman:


Fiora Fiora This is deceivingly good on a ton of "Melee Carry" champions that use mana and AD. Fiora is another one that benefits a ton since her cool downs are actually fairly long outside of her Q, which can still be decently long if she misses somehow. With this, Fiora can W and E far more in a fight as well as basically never worry about going OOM. When Fiora uses her R, it is already a pretty overwhelming assault if you are alone. With ER, this whole assault becomes a lot harder to deal with if you let her keep attacking you. Her Q will also the cool down reduction as well, making it reduce it's own cool down!

Irelia Irelia You thought Irelia dashed around a lot before? Oh, well, you have no idea. Of huge note is that her Q will proc the cool down reduction, even if it gets reset, meaning that Irelia's W and E cool downs become SIGNIFICANTLY reduced on top of the CDR already provided by the item. The bonus attack speed provided by the effect is also appreciated. Overall, Irelia can make tremendous use of this item and she needs to be kept an eye on.

Jax Jax Oh my god, you ever think Jax's E CDR is a little low right now? I have bad news for you. When Jax is attacking you two times a second, his E cool down is going to become so low it's going to make him almost an outright counter to basic attack champions, even more so than right now. If you can't CC this guy, he is going to become almost immune to basic attack damage and that's not an exaggeration.

MasterYi Master Yi You knew he was going to be on this list. This item doesn't help with any of Yi's main counters, but it sure does help him a ton. With a Guinsoo's and his Passive, Yi can trigger the effect of this item an incredibly high number of times in the late game to the point that he could be using as many as 2-4 more Qs in a team fight without needing resets. This item also solves the issue of Yi not having too many item synergies that provide either CDR or a way for him to restore his mana (which most of the time isn't an issue, but it can come up sometimes). Yi is probably one of the scariest users of this item, and it worries me about the fate of PUBs and lower ELO groups.

Nasus Nasus Ok, this one is a little weird and might not even show up, but it's enough that it should at least be talked about. This solves any mana issues Nasus has and lets him reduce the cool down of his Q past what 40% CDR and his ultimate CDR can provide. Furthermore, it lets him use even more Withers and Es, to the point that Nasus' target IS going to be permanently slowed as long as he can basic attack during the fight. That is a scary thought. However, at the same time, the item does not provide Nasus with any extra defenses. Time will tell if this is worth taking.

Nocturne Nocturne I'm not a Nocturne main, but it doesn't take one to see this could be of use to him. Out of all his abilities, it's pretty clear that getting more Es is probably the most important one here, although more Ws is also useful. This removes any mana issues he might have. Also, Nocturne isn't one to not appreciate extra attack speed as most of his damage is, in fact, from basic attacks. He's not as insane as some people on this list, but his rotation and play style naturally overlap with what this item wants a champion to be doing.

Olaf Olaf This is actually a pretty scary thought considering Olaf's basic attacks already reduce his E's cool down and his W and Passive already grant a ton of attack speed AND he can sometimes run OOM in very long fights. Any Olaf player should seriously consider this item since Olaf's R is the one ability in the game that would allow him to make use of this item without any possible interruptions.

Skarner Skarner More Q's and E's? No problem. Any mana issues get heavily reduced with this on Skarner and his E has it's cool down significantly reduced, meaning much more powerful stuns. His R naturally lends itself to this style of play as well, since he usually opens with it, allowing him to make use of the item for the full duration of the fight. Skarner also benefits from attack speed, making it at least a decent item on the bug. It also, strangely, increases his defenses indirectly by allowing for more Ws to be cast.

Teemo Teemo Ok, hear me out. This may seem extremely weird at first, but it's not uncommon to see a Teemo build AD items, especially one that offers CDR, Attack Speed, and extra mana. However, what actually worries me about this item on Teemo is the fact that it "breaks a threshold" so to speak. There is probably many other champions not listed here that this happens on, but I am not going to theorycraft and look into the numbers of every single champion. Anyways, Teemo's Q cool down with 40% CDR is 4.8 seconds, which is already pretty low considering the duration of his Q's blind is 2.5 seconds, leaving only 2.3 seconds of the target not being blinded (give or take a bit considering travel time). However, with Essence Reaver, if Teemo can just throw out a "Combat Shroom" and then stick to his target, this can actually lower the cool down of his Q even farther to the point to where if the target isn't actively reducing, removing, etc. the effect of his blind, the target will be almost permanently blinded... at least for the 8 seconds that Essence Flare is active. That's a pretty long time that a champion just can't basic attack almost and shouldn't be ignored.

Warwick Warwick I'm sorry. I had to bring this to light. Warwick immediately procs this effect upon using his ultimate and his Q procs on-hit effects as well. This means Warwick's E is going to be up constantly and his Q will reduce it's own cool down (as well as his W's and E's, but the W isn't important here). Warwick is already a very difficult champion to deal with, and this only further enhances his combat prowess. As stated many times before, this solves any mana issues he might have and all the stats given are appreciated. This item is definitely worth looking into when playing Warwick.

XinZhao Xin Zhao Xin Zhao's Q already reduces the cool downs of his abilities and his rotation naturally lends itself to this item. This item is going to make Xin Zhao an absolute menace and, I would say, is going to be a must buy on him. Out of all the champions on this list, I might even argue this fits into his play style the most just naturally. He appreciates all that it offers and already has an effect similar to it in his own kit. This item, in my opinion, WILL be purchased on Xin Zhao almost every game and should be considered in the future whenever balancing him.


Of course, there are also many Marksman that this item makes pretty scary, but I wanted to point out the non-Marksman that can make pretty vicious use of this item. Some of these interactions actually allow for shenanigans that were previously unheard of in League, such as Jax and Teemo, which I really can't ignore. Riot, please consider these champions as you move forward with balancing this item on the PBE. Note that I am not saying this item can't be shipped onto live. I actually think it's an item that pretty crucially needed to be in the game for Skirmishers and select Marksman. However, I really would like for Riot to think about what this item may do to some champions that might not be obvious at first.


UPDATE

After some testing on the PBE, these are my results so far:

Fiora Fiora Rating: 4/5 It's a considerable purchase depending on the match up. As long as you don't NEED Black Cleaver, such as when you are facing a Malphite, Rammus, Maokai, etc., or another item she builds, this can easily replace one of the offensive items Fiora usually takes. It lets you stick to people a lot better with her Q and has allowed me to use an extra, crucial W in several team fights.

Irelia Irelia Rating: 4/5 Very similar to Fiora. She can stick a ton better and can cast another W in the average fight, but most importantly is the additional E or two that it lets you throw out. This seriously boosts the number of dashes that Irelia can use during a fight.

Jax Jax Rating: 3/5 Not bad, but not exceptional either. There is better items to build, but you won't exactly lose much power by building Essence Reaver. Against a basic attack reliant enemy team, I would say it becomes a lot more powerful. However, Jax's current build is pretty strict in what it wants and needs, so Essence Reaver is likely just a niche purchase.

MasterYi Master Yi Rating: 5/5 Sorry, this is just insane and I can't hold back. Yi's basic attacks already reduce the cool down of his Q and this pushes it WAY over the edge. On top of giving Yi the CDR on his ultimate that he has wanted from a synergistic item for a long time, Essence Reaver easily allows for MULTIPLE additional Qs to be cast during a team fight, with Yi essentially being untargetable for a good 50% of the time or more. It also allows for a near permanent E buff while Essence Flare lasts, meaning Yi won't be cooling down at all during a team fight if he can keep attacking. Insane item. Heavily recommended purchase.

Nasus Nasus Rating: 1/5 This might have been a good purchase if it reduces cool downs by a flat number, but it doesn't. Simply put, Nasus' Q cool down is so low after he casts his ultimate that reducing it by 20% of the remaining cool down is almost never going to be noticeable. It DOES allow for many more Withers, but that's not worth an entire item slot just for that in my eyes. It seemed tempting, but it's actually pretty bad. Better to just get extra defenses and stick to the current offensive items.

Olaf Olaf Rating: 2/5 This item is weird on Olaf. It let's you E an atrocious number of times and is really good against champions that have a lot of damage reduction, but it doesn't solve any of his issues. It is a big win more item or a niche pick. Would only recommend purchasing it against a stupidly tanky enemy team.

Teemo Teemo Rating: 4/5 This was actually surprisingly good. It was available every single fight and it's innate stats given allow Teemo to have a fun little hybrid damage build. However, it does EXACTLY what I imagined it would do, plus some. If allowed, a Teemo with Essence Reaver WILL permanently blind his target and if they can't kill him with spells, they will lose! This item gives Teemo a strong niche, and should be kept in the back of your mind when playing him against basic attack reliant teams (or just if the enemy Marksman gets fed).

Warwick Warwick Rating: 1.5/5 Simply put, there is better items. Warwick has a pretty specific style of play, and Essence Reaver doesn't benefit it enough to warrant over Titanic Hydra or any other offensive item he will be building. The interaction it has with his ultimate actually feels like a detriment more than a bonus as you can proc it faster out of ultimate than in it. It's not as bad as Nasus with it, but it's not good.

XinZhao Xin Zhao Rating: 4.5/5 Ok, this one is weird. If the enemy team has a fed burst character, DO NOT BUILD THIS. You will need the bonus defenses and this doesn't help that. However, if the enemy team has anything else, I would highly recommend Essence Reaver on Xin Zhao. His cool downs can get pretty insanely low with this along with his Q effect. It can allow for some pretty intense shenanigans.

Nocturne and Skarner remain untested so far.

"Does It Work on This Champion?

I'm making a list of questions that seem to come up often of whether it works on them or not. So far:

Jayce Jayce - Yes

Udyr Udyr - No

Elise Elise - Yes

Nidalee Nidalee - Yes (it is safe to assume it works on all transform champions)

Corki Corki - Yes

171 Comments

ankoanko196 votes

It's a 3.2k dmg only item. Champions like Xin and Irelia only have 2 slots left after their 3 main dmg items, they wont be able to fit more dmg especially something so expensive. The only time this might be viable is if Riot removes the synergy between trinity & Steraks. Out of your examples only full AD noc, Fio and Yi since they build full dmg anyway and survive with it. Otherwise the rest can't simply because they need resistances.

Moon Mom6 votes

Just imagine if an ap version existed for diana..

D357R0Y3R5 votes

it's not good on jax due to the stats it gives and due to sterak+triforce+titanic being too good

Chibi Bronzlife2 votes

I disagree, the analysis is fairly solid here.

Meep Man3 votes

Jax doesn't like AD, Mana, CDR, and Attack Speed? As well as pseudo mana regen? I mean, I guess if that's what you believe, but I think it needs to be considered considering the interaction with his E as well as the extra stick with his Q. Plus synergy with W simply due to more autos leading to more CDR leading to more Ws, which is an auto reset which equals more autos.

Wild Geese4 votes

One thing to keep in mind is that the Essense Reaver passive activates when the Ultimate ends. - But I haven't seen all the interactions tested yet. Now I'm not sure what constitutes the ultimate ending, like in the case of Fiora does it end when she casts it, or when the marks are consumed? Does Warwick's ultimate end when it hits, or when the supression is finished? I do know for sure that, for instance for Lucian's ult, the effect does not begin until he stops firing his ultimate, it's made this way specifically because they were thinking of Lucian and Miss Fortune, who would have to snapcast to get the effect otherwise.

Pokemonred20014 votes

it's supposed to trigger with the first basic attack you hit after you ult, so that champions like Lucian can use it to its full effect. Fiora or Jax pressing their ultimates and hitting someone will proc it even while active, for example.

Wild Geese1 votes

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it's supposed to trigger with the first basic attack you hit after you ult, so that champions like Lucian can use it to its full effect. Fiora or Jax pressing their ultimates and hitting someone will proc it even while active, for example.

Ah, that makes a lot of sense. So how would it interact with something like Warwick ult which uses basic attacks for instance, would they be considered attacks or not?

Meep Man2 votes

I think the activation is an on-hit effect as well, so it should trigger from his R and then proc two times.

KZ Engel1 votes

it triggers when the ultimate's cooldown starts. TwistedFate second cast

etc

GhostOfTsushima3 votes

why would that benefit Master Yi if the crit was remove? LOL

why would that even benefit Teemo either when hes ap

why would that benefit WW, just no

why would that benefit skarner, because you saw that mana crystal and literally jump to conclusion lol

why would that benefit any of those Champion? Like yeah sure it cud be good on them but still other item are still going to be better and have better benefit to them

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KZ Engel18 votes

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why would that benefit Master Yi if the crit was remove? LOL

a crit yi is a bad yi yi builds on-hit he also happens to be the only champion on which i can ever see it being worth buying

other than that yea i agree

ValiantKiller1 votes

[{quoted}](name=KZ Engel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=iJEOYtMW,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2018-05-06T22:02:54.972+0000)

a crit yi is a bad yi yi builds on-hit he also happens to be the only champion on which i can ever see it being worth buying

other than that yea i agree

Ymmmm ? i don't know if that guy serious or not. item 3006 item 3124 item 1416 item 3508 +2 defensive items =tank and shred tankers, lol

Rathar Dashing1 votes

Is it worth replacing the item 3153 ? Even just for the lifesteal it gives.

Meep Man2 votes

You can always build item 2140 if you need sustain. Or forsake a defensive item.

KZ Engel1 votes

bork isn't necessary because ravenous hunter heals you off of these effects:

e conq item 3124 item 3091 item 1419 item 3748 item 3115

and with conq, bork will heal 20% less because lifesteal doesn't apply to true dmg conversion.

Rathar Dashing1 votes

But conq also gives bonus AD, so it's not quite 20% lost. Also BORK is useful for more than just the 12% lifesteal it gives, that extra 8-16% current health damage is very powerful on him with all his on-hit appliers.

KZ Engel1 votes

the %current isn't all that important when he's got %max being converted to true dmg and double proccing. the %current isn't even needed. at that point, durability >

Rathar Dashing1 votes

Exactly. So back to what I was saying, why would you buy essence reaver?

KZ Engel1 votes

same reason i sometimes buy pd. 0% chance of losing, might as well buy something fun :^)

Attticus Finch5 votes

[{quoted}](name=KZ Engel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=iJEOYtMW,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2018-05-06T22:02:54.972+0000)

he also happens to be the only champion on which i can ever see it being worth buying

Sivir is going to buy it every game.

Azadethe3 votes

The biggest users are going to hands down be champions who get under 30 sec on their ults with Presence of Mind.

This is especially dangerous with MasterYi Yasuo Udyr Aatrox Corki Darius Tryndamere Kayle LeeSin Vayne

These are the real potential problems. What they have in common:

Their Ultimates get down to less or close to 30 Seconds. They all use their Ultimates as aggressive moves from a short auto attack range (meaning they won't waste its duration) They all are proficient at getting the high assists/kill participation to abuse Presence of Mind. They all become massively harder to kill when their cooldowns are low. Most have 2 item 40% CDR builds (item 3508 item 3071 or item 3508 item 3078 ). Most explode with attack speed.

(I know Yasuo Tryndamere AatroxLeeSin are not Mana, but it's the rest of the item which becomes OP on them, specifically because they don't have long cooldowns at all.)

Try killing a Tryndamere who can spin once per 2 seconds. Or Aatrox Who can get 3.0 attack speed , and reset his Dark Flight every 2 seconds.

LeeSin who can Q in to a ward, Dragon Strike someone out of safety, pummel them down, and have Q and E back up by the time he's done, to set up a second or third kill.

Wouldn't help Yasuo as much since he already has insanely low cooldowns, but it would mean frequent wind walls...... which would exponentially make him even more anti Projectile.

Vayne could turn 8 seconds into a Massacre with an ulted Q spam resetting her Auto attacks at 1 sec cooldowns while the passive is active... because each Tumble would Camouflage her, and the following attack hits 1700+.....

MasterYi ofc I agree is stupidly going to be OP. He can already put himself in perma Ult, which means as long as he can Alpha strike incoming CC, he's unstoppable, and maximizing the use of the item, both resetting Q on Basics + on Essence charges, meaning even more often Unstoppable status.

Terozu1 votes

Wow. Kat's gonna have some fun with this...

Meep Man1 votes

Like, Katarina? Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehh...

Terozu1 votes

Imagine a Kat who can e to you. Auto auto then E again. And since i already build nashors...

Snowman Arc4 votes

Look dude, no offense, but being silver 5 with a 52% win rate over almost 200 games doesn't give you much credibility. Nashor's Tooth Kat? Yeah, no.

Terozu1 votes

Nashors tooth Kat allows her to not only better fight, but win lanes in which she would typically be countered and unable to fight back.

TheCodeisCupCake9 votes

Nashors tooth Kata.... rightttttt, good luck with life dude

Bârd12 votes

She's manaless, doesn't have much attack speed, can't attack during her ult, and doesn't need any more resets.

Terozu1 votes

Kat can Q shunpo w shunpo shunpo auto q shunpo w shunpo shunpo auto q shunpo w shunpo shunpo now.

Whereas before she could q shunpo w shunpo shunpo.

And she doesnt need to auto during her ult idk why you think she does.

Snowman Arc5 votes

I don't think you understand how the item works.

Terozu1 votes

After ulting, your next auto within 10 seconds activates Essence Flare.

Essence Flare gives you +30% attack speed. And your autos refresh your Q W and E ability cool downs by 20%.

Its not complicated.

Snowman Arc4 votes

And now, tell me how this helps Katarina.

Terozu1 votes

Being a Kat main with over 2000 games played on her over 5 years of gameplay,

She can Q and W more while staying in range with her E. Letting her double or triple her damage output via her passive. Particularly on AD builds this item will be pretty strong.

And the fact that you bring up rank at all is laughable. Rank doesnt account for poor execution and poor computers.

Pretty hard to climb with a $200 computer with a footprint in the screen that runs the game at 10fps.

Furthermore disregarding someone based solely on rank shows arrogance and contempt.

If you are so knowledgable explain how it wont be good on her.

Daunt5 votes

If you indeed are a Kat main then you should also know that after early game she no longer has time to add AA's in her combos unless she wants to explode before she kills her targets. The item isn't good since it only procs the CD if you AA enemies which drastically slows down Katarina.

Terozu1 votes

As a Kat main i know the delay on her daggers gives her plenty of time to auto which you should always take advantage of.

Daunt1 votes

Yes, pre 6. Afterwards you just fill the gap with her R most of the time.

Terozu1 votes

Yes. Thats how you actuvate ER.

Then you q shunpo and auto to lower Q cooldown.

Daunt1 votes

The thing is, it's just not efficient enough. The question you should be asking yourself is : Is this build better than what she normally gets? Rather than : Can this work?

Terozu1 votes

For AD Kat the answer is yes.

And I prefer "can this work?" Its more fun.

I started out and still do though less so, playing kat as a botlane carry.

She's able to deal with healing comps really well due to her short cooldowns and grievous wounds.

Off meta is fun.

haha idiot3 votes

Dude you're either trolling or are talking a lot for someone who doesn't understand how this item works. Katarina is possibly one of the WORST champions you would buy this on.

You don't need your abilities to have slightly shorter cds, you just need resets to make those cds ZERO. Why you think Katarina never rushes 40% cdr like other assassins?

haha idiot3 votes

On top of that, your argument that Katarina can run around auto attacking people to lower her cooldowns is absolutely laughable. Watch some Katlife, KatEvolved, hell even Dopa or Bjerg's Katarinas and see how many times they autoattack in teamfights.

Darude Kätstorm1 votes

Champ* and you do NOT have a higher winrate hun. Your solo/duo winrate in bronze is 47% with 19 games played. (OOF!) Mine, in platinum with 300+ played this season alone is 57% ^.^ So tell me again how you have a higher winrate? Wanna prove it??

Lots of love ~ <3 [katarina-love]

Snowman Arc1 votes

Season 5. 2 Kata games, 1 won, 1 lost. Season 6. 1 Kata game, lost. Season 7. 24 Kata games, 12 won, 12 lost. Season 8. 19 Kata games, 9 won, 10 lost.

You have played 46 games over 4 season, winning 22 and losing 24.... in silver 5! You claim how your build is so good and how you are a Kata main, yet you have played just 46 games with a 48% winrate over 4 years now, and you are still stuck in silver 5. I also had a bad PC, but I managed to get to plat 5.

Terozu1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Snowman Arc,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=iJEOYtMW,comment-id=000a0001000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2018-05-08T12:51:19.848+0000)

Season 5. 2 Kata games, 1 won, 1 lost. Season 6. 1 Kata game, lost. Season 7. 24 Kata games, 12 won, 12 lost. Season 8. 19 Kata games, 9 won, 10 lost.

You have played 46 games over 4 season, winning 22 and losing 24.... in silver 5! You claim how your build is so good and how you are a Kata main, yet you have played just 46 games with a 48% winrate over 4 years now, and you are still stuck in silver 5. I also had a bad PC, but I managed to get to plat 5.

I never claimed my build was good. And i doubt your pc was as bad as mine. Also i never particularly cared about rank so meh.

Snowman Arc1 votes

Well, my laptop shuts down every 30 minutes I play league because it's overheating. I play on 30 FPS, I have 85 ping at best etc. I still managed to get to gold 3, even though I dced in quite a lot of games and came back to win.

I bought a new PC 3 months ago, and I already climbed to plat 3.

By the way, as a friendly advice, if you want to point out how a build is good, make sure you have something to back it up. I can call full AD Alistar broken, but if I have only played 5 games with him in 3 years and I'm bronze 4, everyone is gonna call bullshit on this.

Terozu1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Snowman Arc,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=iJEOYtMW,comment-id=000a000100000000000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2018-05-08T17:16:11.654+0000)

Well, my laptop shuts down every 30 minutes I play league because it's overheating. I play on 30 FPS, I have 85 ping at best etc. I still managed to get to gold 3, even though I dced in quite a lot of games and came back to win.

I bought a new PC 3 months ago, and I already climbed to plat 3.

By the way, as a friendly advice, if you want to point out how a build is good, make sure you have something to back it up. I can call full AD Alistar broken, but if I have only played 5 games with him in 3 years and I'm bronze 4, everyone is gonna call bullshit on this.

My average fps is 10.

Occasionally dropping to 1 and even 0.

And i never said a build was good.

I said Essence Reaver could work on Kat. And explained why.

Which you promptly ignored and gave no counterpoints and called rank.

That, is using it offensively to dismiss an argument.

Snowman Arc1 votes

Ok, since you want counterpoints. The mana and the mana regen are useless. Wasted gold there. The AD is not really good on her, her AP ratios are much better, so, waste of gold. CDR isn't needed because she's a reset champion. Good stat, but not needed. She rarely ever basic attack to make use of extra CDR on her spells, which again, she doesn't need it, since she's a reset champion.

Everything the item has, doesn't benefit Kat almost at all.

Terozu1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Snowman Arc,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=iJEOYtMW,comment-id=000a00010000000000000000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-08T17:26:10.141+0000)

Ok, since you want counterpoints. The mana and the mana regen are useless. Wasted gold there. The AD is not really good on her, her AP ratios are much better, so, waste of gold.

Katarina's stickiness lets her be an effective on hit champion, and Kat has built mana based items in the past. This same argument could be used vs Ludens.

CDR isn't needed because she's a reset champion. Good stat, but not needed.

She rarely ever basic attack to make use of extra CDR on her spells, which again, she doesn't need it, since she's a reset champion.

Katarina Autos on every shunpo, amd CDR is still a boon on the champ since resets are not gaurenteed.

Everything the item has, doesn't benefit Kat almost at all.

Kat has a wide variety of playstyles and ways to be effective in combat. Depending on one's playstyle this item could be a great addition to her. Simply because it wouldn't be good on a typical Kat build, let alone a burst based or anti Tank build, doesn't mean the item doesn't have its uses to other playstyles which you would fail to account for.

For instance, a Katarina with Lich Bane and Nashor's Tooth could use this item to stick to a target that could otherwise escape due to other factors.

Snowman Arc1 votes

I mean, I can play full AP Alistar, doesn't mean it's good though. We are talking about how a certain item makes a champion better, or if it's on par with what's already out there. The build and play style you are trying to pass on are just BAD. Nobody plays them, because they are BAD. BAD.

You can go ahead and try them all you want, dude, more power to you. But, if you are in a ranked game and try this repeatedly, lose, drop ranks and then wonder why and blame your team, remember this thread.

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