Azir needs to be nerfed

Blåbæret·Oct 10, 2017·43 votes·2,091 views

Come on. Why even bother changing this champ? He's the most oppressive piece of shit ever, and now he's easy to play as well? Lmao.

This balance team.

44 Comments

KloqdqOct 10, 201715 votes

I didn't give a actual point; nerf Azir

Azir is arguably in a lot better spot than before but you are right, he is a little too strong at the moment I'd say. Riot thinks he is in a good spot from what they put on the patch notes but I think he'll probably get a love tap in the near future. However, before we go there, here is some reasons why we shouldn't nerf him right this instant.

Rune Updates - Riot doesn't want to make any more major changes to champions until Runes come around since this will have a MASSIVE effect on the game. Playing him a little on the PBE I can safely say he feels a lot better to play and is pretty strong, but he isn't as overbearing. The runes will come with some of his power being ton down overall. It's actually pretty likely he was slightly overtuned prior to the runes going through so they wouldn't have to do some minor changes like everyone else is getting. Evelynn is going to be in roughly the same spot as well until preseason.
People forgot the matchup - This point is rather simple. People forgot how to fight Azir. Seriously. The dude had a pretty shitty play rate and then suddenly jumped by 5% of a playrate. That means a lot more people are playing him and he was pretty rare for the most part. No one will likely remember how to play this match-up and there is now a lot of minor differences you need to learn. Azir is still strong yes, but he has a lot more weaknesses overall to allow opponents to fight him. Wall is less powerful, overall range is lower which effects him a lot along with some noticeable hits to his general poke and dps via Attack speed and his soldiers damage. This means he is a lot more fair overall to play against and you have more options facing him. All this leads me to believe, people just don't remember how to fight him from before and people haven't learned the new counters to him.
In the case his is too powerful - I will say though, Azir may likely be a little too powerful at the moment. After all the above points have been played out and we have the data to say for sure, Azir needs nerfs. Hit either his CDs or his Mana Costs. I am on the side of his Mana costs being nerfed since he is pretty spammy at the moment. Hitting this will put some small rewards back into the smarter Azir and hurt the worse ones while also keeping him slightly in check. His damage and range feel overall fine to me.

DCYOUNG888Oct 10, 20172 votes

Well right now, on the PBE, Azir is getting a -20 base damage to his q at rank 5 but due note that this is subject to change.

http://www.surrenderat20.net/2017/10/1010-pbe-update.html

KloqdqOct 11, 20171 votes

That would seem pretty fair to me. It's a little damage off the top and will be decent at effecting his DPS at least a bit since he can spam that at level 9.

DCYOUNG888Oct 11, 20171 votes

Agreed, though I wish they didn't have to nerf his q ap ratio by 20% then again his q cd is lowered by 1 second by rank 5 but doesn't compensate by much.

KloqdqOct 11, 20171 votes

Yeah that's true. I hope they hold strong on Azir for at least a little while he finally breaks the 50% winrate and people are finally seeing him again and just going straight to calling him OP instead of figuring out his counters again. Champs like Ahri, Talon, etc all have a stronger match-up into him now as well so it's the learning curve for his enemies as well.

DCYOUNG888Oct 11, 20171 votes

True. In addition, Azir has more vulnerability against those who have long range such as Xerath, Vel'koz, Lux, etc. Even without Artillery Mages, Azir is still very fragile especially with that low base armor and most of the ranged champions in the mid lane in general will have a better chance against him as long as Azir doesn't get close to them.

KloqdqOct 11, 20173 votes

People are really overestimating his overall safety. His sand soldiers can only attack at 660 which is shorter than most spells and his Q is the standard range for a lot of mage spells. He is forced to be a lot closer than he used to be and he also about 100+ range. 50 range is a lot in league so 100 range off both q and w is big.

Once people get used to these things, Azir will find a better spot. He isn't as OP as many posts I've seen are labelling him to be.

TyrekGoldenspearOct 10, 20176 votes

Personally I think his mana costs should be nerfed.

Currently Azir can bully AND Push waves with W>Q.

If it was more punishing to miss said spells then he would have to be more careful with his spell spamming.

KloqdqOct 11, 20173 votes

Luckily his wave clear is a lot worse compared to older Azir but yes, mana is likely the best nerf for him. Mana management is a part of skill and getting that put back into his kit would be good. Q mana should go up along with either W or E. I would say a small love tap to start would be good.

DCYOUNG888Oct 11, 20171 votes

To be fair, Azir is fairly mana hungry assuming he doesn't get Morellonomicon item 3165 , but I wonder why riot decided to make that his recommended item in the default build, I still think item 3115 Nashor's is a better item on Azir. Also to be fair, the wave clear and the lane bullying got weaker since soldier stabbing is weaker when stabbing multiple targets in the early game and less range but the bullying is still there regardless.

Zed geniusOct 10, 20176 votes

Twitch,Tanks and ardent censer supports have been strong half the season -- this is fine azir has been strong for 12 days - OMG NERF PLS WTF WHY CAN HE BE SO BROKEN ALL THE TIME NO COUNTERPLAY WTF NERF RITO

????

PennsOct 10, 20172 votes

people complain about those too tho

SalsonOct 10, 20172 votes

One has to comend Marksman mains on this. Whenever one of them is broken, they just change champs and enjoy the freelo. Probably why they didn't leave the meta since forever.

Mid and Top? A giant circle of salt that wants everything nerfed. Nerf Assassins and Mages and Fighters and Tanks and you get left with a botlane meta.

Even now you see threads asking for Yasuo/Fiora/Zed/Fizz to be nerfed. Most of them by fools who don't get what they're doing to the game.

MizayaOct 11, 20171 votes

If the reason Riot buffed marksman was truly because of people complaining on boards, Riot would be listening selectively to a tiny minority of boards.

Think about that. Would Riot really make changes because a select group of players were complaining in opposition to the majority, favoring that small base of players?

Yeah, forget the whole argument of what to balance. This belief here is what concerns me.

Ahri BakaOct 10, 20176 votes

still better than fizz

TyrekGoldenspearOct 10, 20176 votes

East to play? Funny.

As if other mages are a party to lane against.

Also Azir is getting nerfs on the PBE.

Pixie StormOct 10, 20174 votes

Went Galio mid into azir and won lane. I was even AFK for two minutes came back and still won.

YennOct 10, 201711 votes

[{quoted}](name=Pixie Storm ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=iF04Ercp,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2017-10-10T18:53:58.645+0000)

Went Galio mid into azir and won lane. I was even AFK for two minutes came back and still won.

Random Bronze level player beats other random Bronze level player in lane, there's clearly no problem here and Azir is fine. /s

Pixie StormOct 10, 20173 votes

I'm not bronze. Just learn how to counter pick. Choose a ranged mage you're good at. If you're going to bark at the people who try to help and complain, then don't ask for the community to assists in targeting riots balance team. They buff champions and nerf them. Such is life.

FirethornOct 11, 20171 votes

I think /s means sarcasm :P

NineTailedMysticOct 11, 20173 votes

Counterpicking is not and should not be the end all be all solution to champion balance issues.

Colton147Oct 11, 20171 votes

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Random Bronze level player beats other random Bronze level player in lane, there's clearly no problem here and Azir is fine. /s

Yet another high elo player that is basically similar to a white supremacist.

You only care about yourself and do not care what others think/feel. You think anyone who is below you is third class and should be treated with disrespect.

KaìjuOct 11, 20175 votes

Lmao get off your high horse nobody here cares that you hate white people.

ZexOct 11, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=Pixie Storm ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=iF04Ercp,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2017-10-10T18:53:58.645+0000)

Went Galio mid into azir and won lane. I was even AFK for two minutes came back and still won.

I went ahead and checked your op.gg/match history because I thought it was fishy...Out of 4 times you went against Azir, you only won once against Azir. Your jungler ganked mid for you a lot according to the stats and the one time you did win against him, you had around 70 farm. Just putting this out there.

Pixie StormOct 11, 20171 votes

¯_(ツ)_/¯ I'm not going to cry to riot because I lost "3 of 4 games" to Azir about balancing the champion. My job is to look up his counters, ask the jungler for a camp if it's really that much of a problem, sacrifice some farm, and/or roam to make some plays elsewhere if I'm that far behind.I literally said I was AFK for a portion of the game because I had to take care of my sick parent lol (No I'm not looking for bs pity card I could care less if you believed me or not.) I've gotten more tilted facing a Zed over an Azir. If you think OP.GG shows you everything I did that game I believe you're mistaken.

Bladerunner7777Oct 10, 20173 votes

low elo players in their natural habitat: responding to changes in the game by being adamant that something is "overpowered" and the fault is NOT because they're bad and they refuse to learn/get better.

Handy Sandy Oct 11, 20173 votes

This is what I've been saying, the only reason why he's not at Janna winrate is because he's AZIR. He's not popular. He's oppressive when equal and you can't do anything to him when he's ahead. Wanna try and counterpick Xerath and try to poke him out? Too bad, here's a shuffle for first blood to my jungler which is honestly extremely easy to perform with no counterplay besides "be out of lane or have flash up". Oh, you wanna shove me in? Too bad I have some of the best waveclear in mid. Unless you're Kassadin you aren't going to lane if you're equal skill with him.

BlåbæretOct 11, 20171 votes

Word bro. You might as well not be playing the game when up against any decent Azir.

Whats A RivOct 11, 20173 votes

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Come on. Why even bother changing this champ? He's the most oppressive piece of shit ever, and now he's easy to play as well? Lmao.

This balance team.

Lmao this dude

SalsonOct 10, 20172 votes

Azir is one of the few Midlaners who are decently strong.

90% of others are just too weak.

NineTailedMysticOct 11, 20171 votes

Outliers should be brought in line, not vice versa.

BisaknospOct 10, 20172 votes

no shit

called it before the change went to live xd

AirKingNeoOct 10, 20172 votes

"balance" team

Fear the KaynOct 10, 20172 votes

Just because he shits on assassins doesn't mean he needs nerfs. We need more hard counters to assassins mid, hes the first of many. If they rebalance him, move more power to his ultimate. Make it the ultimate anti-all in tool.

YennOct 10, 20173 votes

[{quoted}](name=Why So Fishy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=iF04Ercp,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2017-10-10T23:13:11.856+0000)

Just because he shits on assassins doesn't mean he needs nerfs. We need more hard counters to assassins mid, hes the first of many. If they rebalance him, move more power to his ultimate. Make it the ultimate anti-all in tool.

Except he uses his ultimate to dive immobile carries, not as an anti all-in tool. Buffing his ultimate will just further shit on anything that isn't a burst caster, unless his W + E + Q + R combo is given counter play

BlåbæretOct 10, 20172 votes

Azir shits on anything and everything.

Have fun while he pokes you down halfway across the map with the DPS of an ADC while you're standing far behind your tower. You can't lane against this cancer unless you're Xerath.

DivewingOct 11, 20171 votes

At this stage you have only attempted to prove your point with wild exaggerations.

I think the issue is you need to "git gud" rather than Azir being inherently broken

TekkenPlayerOct 11, 20172 votes

He can't prevent you from farming if hes dead

seriously, anyone with a high damage skillshot / burst damage completely shits on Azir

Anivia : remember that his sand soldiers make him idle in one frame. This makes landing Q alot easier than you realize. similar logic for Lux Syndra Xerath Cassiopeia

these people dont give a shit about azir either: Fizz Irelia Leblanc Yasuo Karma Katarina

NoblewindOct 10, 20171 votes

The entire balance of the game changes very soon, so while I think he currently needs a small nerf, I can understand why he probably won't be touched for now

WalkingInACircleOct 10, 20171 votes

His passive attack speed boost is too high, but otherwise he's so much healthier than before.

KloqdqOct 10, 20171 votes

It has a condition to it and it's the exact same as before. Expect it's worse since you need to summon or have 3 soldiers unlike before where you just got it passively.

WalkingInACircleOct 10, 20171 votes

Yeah that's nice. His only problem right now is excessive DPS (to towers too).

KloqdqOct 10, 20171 votes

I'd say overall his damage has been somewhat tone down early game. He isn't really doing much to towers that other mages can't do. Really the problem is his mana costs are really low. If those were increased somewhat, it would put him a bit more in line. His CDs may also need some work but overall once runes reforge land, he'll most likely be fine in my mind.