Greedy Supports

creatureplex·Nov 13, 2016·4 votes·1,771 views

I'm an adc main and I'm under the impression that a support is supposed to well pretty much baby an adc feed them many kills try your best not get last hit on cs, and die if it means saving your adc. Keep river warded, fight off enemy gankers call mia or caution when necessary help secure buffs ultimately keep your adc alive as best as you possibly can your number 1 priority is keep the adc alive. That's my impression of what it means to support nevermind how you build. If your adc gets fed and you have a ton of assists and a low amount of kills it's safe to say you did your job? Anyways last game I had, my support said I sucked, and even my top lane said I sucked so I'm just a bit confused of how I suck from this game.

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2344909966/230946465?tab=overview

As you'll see I did the most damage despite her ks me a lot in lane I exited lane with 6-6-4 with all 4 of my assists coming from a Zyra ks, she has 69 cs which is why my cs is as low as it is, and she had the least amount of deaths out of the entire team. She did good damage, but always waited until the last second to blow her ult, and usually waited until after I died to cast exhaust on Rengar, really tilted me so at first as you can see I was not doing good. But for some reason her excuse for her doing this was get good or you sucked then after the game the Gangplank said I was a crappy adc, I'm a bit confused because I was under the impression my job is to do a ton of damage to enemy team and as you can see I did a lot of damage and got a lot of kills and my build was pretty good, I even was decent for placing wards as my Zyra almost never warded the river so it was kind of up to me to ward the river, so just a bit confused of how I sucked, thought maybe you guys could clarify it for me?

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My Sea CowNov 13, 20167 votes

First off a support is there to support the WHOLE TEAM not just the whole team, again I'm going to repeat this because so many ADCs just think that supports are just their personal body guard throughout the whole game....supports support the whole team not just the ADC. They are there in laning phase, yes, to take pressure off you, as ADC, and to try to put pressure on enemy ADC, but they are also there to help team mates if allowed.

First off, as a Zyra support, sometimes it's not possible to not take farm...you can't really control the plants. Taking some CS here or there won't put you back that far and only 69 cs in a 31 minute game isn't stealing all your farm. Not only does her plants do damage but her ult does as well. Sometimes losing CS is going to happen with a support. If it means winning a team fight or getting out alive then it's a good price to pay. Especially for carry/poke supports like Zyra or Brand or Vel'Koz, even Morgana, sometimes they take farm on accident by their spells. You can't get mad at them if it's accidental.

As for KSing....it's kill securing...if I don't think my teammate will get the kill, I will do everything I can to make sure the enemy doesn't get away alive. I'd rather take the kill then take the chance of them getting away. I've gotten first blood as Janna before because I didn't think (or I knew) my ADC or jungler or whoever wasn't going to get that kill before they could escape. You get assist gold. Don't whine about that...it just makes you look bronze.

As for dying the least, yes sometimes dying for a teammate is a good thing, but when I play support, I'm also not going to purposely get myself killed if a teammate is being a complete idiot. I will go and help and try to save them, but chances are even if I die, the other will die as well.

You didn't suck, but picking on a support who, from what I could tell just from scores did nothing wrong, isn't good either. Work with your Support and know what type of support they are. Zyra is high damage...they will out damage you most of the time if the build the way yours did. They will take kills, even on accident. THey are called carry supports for a reason.
But yes your support, as well as your whole team, should be warding. But from what I could tell you didn't suck

creatureplexNov 13, 20161 votes

She kept autoing minions when I wasn't wanting to push my lane because of the constant threat Rengar had on us and due to her not warding river that much when mine was on cooldown I was left open. Some cs is fine but without relic shield no 69 cs is ridiculous for any support, I had the second most cs on my team would've easily had the most if not for her taking a lot at the beginning. So it did put me behind and adc items are not cheap if I can't get the kill or it's an accident because it happens I let it go but 4 out of her 6 kills were in laning phase almost all my assists are off of her kills which 2 of them team fights sure sometimes it happens, not going to gripe about that. NTM one play in particular she waited until Rengar killed me then cast exhaust on him she kept poking at him but not using any cc what so ever not even her snare, she had her ult could've used it to let me escape but instead chose not to, waited until I died then she simply casted exhaust on Rengar he was full health I just got out of a fight and was low health retreating. Her low deaths is mostly lack of trying she generally stayed in the back and was always the first one to retreat, as for her damage that's fine don't give a crap whether high damage or low damage I want my support to support me. Now I get after laning phase yes their job now expands to the whole team even then if we get 2 kills at bot and she's full health and I blue pill I wouldn't mind her attempting a gank at mid or helping mid a little depending on the situation. She was a piss poor sup, the fact is our team had 38 kills and she only had 12 assists in fact I had 6 kills 4 assists when laning phase was done, she only had 2 assists and 4 kills 0 deaths, from that number there it's obvious she was ks me. Now I get the defense of a support buddy but any real support could look at this game and even me average match for 30 minutes regardless of what support I'm playing as I'm up there with the most assists every game I know how much damage I can do and yeah it happens I accidently ks sometimes shit I'll even take a couple minions by accident it happens, but having 6 kills 4 deaths and 12 assists that's kind of bad when base off my 18 kills almost none of them was she apart of!

My Sea CowNov 13, 20162 votes

First off one huge paragraph is such a pain to read...if you do want someone to read your reply section stuff off by paragraphs.

Did you ask her to stop nicely? If she's doing her job as Zyra, she is zoning using plants...but if there's no champion for those plants to attack then the plants will attack the minions....unavoidable casualty. Not saying that's what happened, but keep that in mind that you will lose some minions that way. Supports accidentally taking kills happen...90% of the time a support will not take a kill on purpose so stop getting all offended when it happens. If you keep going on with the "Kill steal" mentality you will not get out of bronze.

Again...she's not just your support, she's the team support. Just because team has 38 kills and she only has 12 assists, that means nothing. Other lanes getting kills when she's bot lane, kills happening when backing...there's rarely even any LCS players, if any, that have 100% kill participation...why are you expecting a bronze support to have it?

You know the funny thing is, she has low deaths and you're complaining about her, but if she had lots of deaths you'd probably complain that she's feeding. Stop blaming other people for mistakes. You won't climb if you do that. Now I'm by no means an amazing player, but I do know that blaming someone else other then yourself for losing lane or losing game or whatever will not help you climb.

You won the game, by the looks of it, you completely wrecked and dominated bot lane which means you know what you're doing as an ADC and your support couldn't have been that as bad as you say. Why are you complaining? You could have had their Thresh that went 1/12/12. Would you have rather had that?

creatureplexNov 13, 20161 votes

Me-Yes I said hey could please stop autoing my minions. Me- Then I stated also if you wouldn't mind please stop last hitting champions after the second kill she took from me! Her-She replied uh no! Me-I asked, why I kind of need it or I'll become useless real fast. Her-She said get better then! Me- I said I got first blood! Her-She stated you got lucky! After that point I became tilted my fault there and play poorly on a couple of plays.

And I get how Zyra works usually I like a Zyra support her damage zones out of enemies but lately Zyra, Lux, and Morgana I haven't really liked cuz they tend to ks the shit out of me! And in a lot of games I don't do as well when I'm with those supports! Again adc heavily reliant on items! And just to remind you, you realize I'm in bronze right, most of the players down here don't like support so they'll tend to grab a support they can easily carry with regardless whether they're adc is good or not. Very few players that actually like to support. And being nice trust me I've tried that route several times I swear it's like pleaing with a bunch of liberals unwilling to listen at all.

The 12 assists is because she backed out of a lot of fights and took a lot of kills and never really try to help anyone else out other than top lane which backed her up also saying I'm a crappy adc which is why I posted this in the first place, mid didn't like her, jungle didn't like her, and I didn't like her, would of rather had a fucking Soraka. And I never expect 100% kill participation but almost every time she would wait until we all were dying and we did our damage then she pop in her damn ult that's how she got her last 2 kills was from doing shit like that.

And normally I'm complete opposite I accept responsibility if I was pro I wouldn't be in bronze now would I? And I don't blame people for mistakes bad games are part of the game especially in bronze, I don't get pissed, I only get upset when I try to be nice and help someone out or when it's directly affecting me or most common I ask someone to stop and they don't and die or ks that crap of me then sometimes starts doing it on purpose just to try pissing me off more. So bad once that my support starting telling everybody, in all chat I may add, free kill bot lane simply because I asked them nicely to stop pushing so hard after I got ganked 3 times.

And again I went 6-6-4, so my laning phase didn't go so well just mid game they were idiots and fed the crap out of me, when Zyra wasn't around my team fed me a lot every chance they could they would give me the kill quadra kill! Needless to say only reason I had my good KDR was because my team played around me and defended me and they were idiots and kept getting caught by me. Their Thresh actually wasn't so bad, Sivir just never grabbed the lantern and the support kind of had a bad adc, okay he was kind of bad, and actually yeah with him I would of had a better laning phase, probably would of came out with 6 to 8 kills plus a lantern so not so many deaths. Good and bad way to look at everything.

My Sea CowNov 14, 20161 votes

If the conversation was being like that, then yes she was being a complete jerk and not fair to you. But it's not worth becoming tilted over it...some supports will have awful attitudes and some will troll. Best thing for that is to ask nicely like you did, and if they still ignore it or continue just do the best you can to last hit before them.

The reason they are grabbing supports like that is, and please don't take offense to it, is because they can't rely on their ADC to be good or follow up on plays. I mean I"m only in silver, so not even that far away from you, and highest I've played in is gold, but even in those ranks I can't tell you how many times I've gotten off snares where we could have gotten kills as a non-carry support only to see my ADC passively farming. Not saying it's any type of excuse, but for lower levels, most players will recommend a carry type support.

I don't think you're a crappy ADC...I mean you did a hell of a lot better then the enemy adc and you guys won the game...I mean you had to have some impact right? I'm in no way saying how she played is right...if how you described her play is how she did it then yes, she should have thrown her ult earlier and I'm sure she could have done a lot of things differently But I don't think complaining about her lack of assists or lack of deaths is really a good thing. For example Adrian in IMT was known for many games with having no deaths as Janna. I think it would depend on what position the support is. Braum for example should have more deaths as they would be more front of the line....Janna should have least because she's a peeler, she stays behind and is more defensive.

At least you're team was able to work around a support that just seemed to not know what to do or was just learning the support role.

creatureplexNov 15, 20161 votes

And I know some adcs suck but they aren't going to get better if the support doesn't try to help them get better by explaining them what to do! And yeah I did the most damage on my team of both teams put a lot of wards even had the second most amount of assists I think but a lot of that came from my Nunu peeling for me every time they got close to me he ulted while I kited within his ult so they had to retreat and couldn't kill me, he saved my ass that Zyra never saved me once that game, she went all out for the kill got it sometimes, but usually left me hanging when I needed her to be there to save my ass when our team needed her to be with us not way up there! And yeah the rest of my team kind of just let her do her thing they stayed back with me to stop the hungry ass assassins that kept trying to assassinate me if not for them, my deaths would probably of been a lot higher, but her impact was damage other than that she didn't do really anything for our team.

My Sea CowNov 15, 20161 votes

You can't rely on a support to carry you though...what happens if you're support never connects? or Disconnects mid game? Are you able to farm safely by yourself under tower 1v2? It's nice to have someone to save you but especially in that elo don't assume that they are going to have your back and save you or really know what they are doing.

If you can at least survive a 1v2 lane you can survive with a bad support and you will always have the advantage. Learn how to last hit perfectly under tower and play passively.

Maybe also suggest learning support role to get a taste of the other side...gives you also another perspective on the other side. Just as supports can be frustrating to work with, ADCs can be just as frustrating.

creatureplexNov 16, 20161 votes

Of unless it's blitz or alistar or leona, I usually can manage 1 v 2 pretty decently farming under tower is an art skill like I need practice at it but I've gotten a lot better at it!

Kirius DarkNov 15, 20161 votes

You're bronze 4. Most CS on your team doesnt mean shit when its still abysmally low and you cant just blame the support for that. You lost a ton of CS from being dead while your support was alive, so thats automatically minion waves where the support is CSing without you in lane which is totally correct.

Also you're bitching about 150g difference from a kill vs an assist when at that point a kill is a kill and leaves you to CS without harass which you should have a much higher CS score so that problem is again on you. If you're just freezing lane and sitting on last hitting with the enemy dead, then if I were support I would also be hitting minions to shove the lane. I see a lot of bad ADCs and laners just trying to last hit only when the enemy is dead when you should be shoving lane to damage tower, or shove lane to go shop. Also good supports are supposed to prep minions for the ADC to last hit so they'll be autoing minions, especially under turret

And I get how Zyra works usually I like a Zyra support her damage zones out of enemies but lately Zyra, Lux, and Morgana I haven't really liked cuz they tend to ks the shit out of me! And in a lot of games I don't do as well when I'm with those supports!

Low elo zyra and morgana are absolutely god tier supports with high CC and high damage. How does morg even KS you when most of her kit is damage over time?? You're just bitching to bitch and cry about KDA when a kill is a kill which leads to wins. Theres hundreds of other things you can do to improve rather than just tunneling on kill scores.

The ADC and support you beat were fresh level 30s, so while you did crush them in this single instance, dont think that your game is amazing yet

creatureplexNov 16, 20161 votes

And you don't think it's likewise with supports some supports suck balls she definitely wasn't my worst support but she was no where near my best! And yes I'm bronze 4 took me forever to get there. And yes it does matter who gets the kills supports don't need them they're supports sometimes it happens, but I've played Morgana I got real good with Morgana as a support I knew how to lay off to secure the kill for my adc, that's what a good support is. If I have to take it I will but if my adc can grab it I'll give it, my job isn't to steal the show it's to make my adc look good! That's the job of a support if you don't know that then you are a brain dead retard! Simple as that, learn the fucking game before you start trying to preached that I'm just bitching. You don't like it don't fucking read it, that simple! I didn't ask you to defend the Zyra, original post simply states asking why this Zyra thought I sucked, made no sense to me! Maybe you should've read the post more instead of just assuming it's a bitching post. And I stated I don't like them because they tend to get a lot of kills I don't i don't get the kill gold, if they are taking my cs that sucks to. As for my cs in general with ashe it needs improving but I think I was playing as Miss Fortune that game and normally my cs is up there around where gold is with her, Ashe is a bit harder to last hit with at first than my other adcs.

TerozuNov 13, 20162 votes

dude u should have high farm regardless of her farm, esp since her farm is actually low for an average supports farm in a ranked game

OglafNov 13, 20161 votes

Protip: Nobody uses the term "kill steal" unironically outside of vs. AI.

It makes you look quite the silly goose.

Athenes LuluNov 13, 20162 votes

The problem is ADCs actually need some kills because AD items are pretty expensive.

If they can't get every single kill, fine. But if they are getting zero kills don't complain if they aren't dealing damage.

OglafNov 13, 20161 votes

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The problem is ADCs actually need some kills because AD items are pretty expensive.

If they can't get every single kill, fine. But if they are getting zero kills don't complain if they aren't dealing damage.

I'm not arguing that point. I'm a support main. Whenever I get a kill I do feel quite bad (it is ridiculously easy with Braum since you always build Health on him and his Q scales with Health, resulting in some unexpected burst coming from him, lol).

Just... just don't call other people "kill stealers", mmmkay? Just... don't.

creatureplexNov 13, 20161 votes

I call it ks because every kill that Zyra got I could of easily of gotten she just kept taking it I needed one more auto it was obviou her double kill at bot lane she got pulled thresh waited until I started ulting then right before they died she popped her ult and took the double kill. I simply was trying to save her ass when I ulted and her thanks was her taking both the kills and dying because of it.

My Sea CowNov 13, 20162 votes

It's not a KS....if you're going to have this attitude every game there's a reason that you're still in Bronze and will stay in bronze.

creatureplexNov 13, 20161 votes

Seriously I swear anything from an adc main bitching and you fucking elitist jack asses get on here and say shit like this. ADCS depend on items if you are getting the kills and not your adc, he's not going to have gold to get items then he's not much of a threat when he has no items. Therefore as a support you want to do whatever you can to feed adc so that mid to late game adc gets powerful enough he/she can start carrying the team. As for bronze comment I'm actually climbing overall I'm winning more games than I'm losing I lose some whatever it happens sometimes I make mistakes sometimes I have bad teammates but I've been grinding and improving and getting better. The better the support I have generally the better I do at the beginning and the more I snowball out of control where I can single handedly win the game by myself at that point or at least it feels like that. This Zyra was not a good support just because she has high damage doesn't mean she did a good job, as a support you want a lot of assists if your adc has a ton of kills and not many deaths and your assists are high then yeah it's safe to say you did a good job. If support has lots of kills Zyra for example enemy is smart get magic resist you fall of late game because of this, adc doesn't have items to carry the team good chance your team is going to lose. Point of a marksman is to carry their team, to do this we need items! Say it with me I-T-E-M-S! Items! Without them we are useless!

Plastic Mem0riesNov 13, 20162 votes

Listen bud, make this one thing clear in your mind ok?

No such thing as kill stealing. Nothing. Nope. Never. If you put that in your mind, as an adc, you'll have a lot better time with supports.

Now sometimes you might get those troll supports who take your CS and your kills, but most of the time they're securing the kill. Stuff happens out of nowhere in league that can deny you the kill and then you're left standing there tilted because you missed your w or whatever. Ya know?

But let me tell you about forum etiquette. No one's going to read a long wall of text with barely any periods. It feels like I'm just reading a bunch of run on sentences and it hurts my head :c. Simply press enter whenever you feel like it and it'll become easier for us to read :).

creatureplexNov 13, 20161 votes

Like I said if it was a kill here, a kill there not that big of a deal but when you get 5 in a row it's almost apparent that you are purposefully trying to fuck me over or make me obsolete for whatever reasons. Like I stated it's mostly cases where the person doesn't want to be a support so they play apc grab a gold item and say I'm support!

And if I can't get the kill or I die if you don't take it, than yeah kill the bitch, a support has to make that decision but if it's apparent I'm going to kill them back off give me the kill you'll get a good job thresh thanks for making me look good! You steal it I let the first one go, especially more kind when the support says my bad man sorry!

But Lux, Annie, Morgana, Zyra, sometimes Braum but not too often those are the supports I have a bit of an issue with right now because they are the biggest culprit almost to the point that I rather dodge than play with them because it's almost a guaranteed that in reality I'm the support and they just took over my lane from the start!

My Sea CowNov 14, 20163 votes

Everyone depends on items...don't you think supports or the jungler or the top laner or mid laner depend on items as well? There's absolutely no reason to get so defensive and rude over something so trivial over a won game. Everyone here is trying to help you...why post if you're just going to argue it

It's great that you're winning more then you're losing but playing the blame game is a huge reason why people don't climb the ladder in rank. I'm in no way saying that the Zyra did not suck...she very well could have. No one was in the game but you...but you need to get the whole "kill steal" out of your head if you have any intention of climbing high in rank. If you don't care then don't listen to any of us here...but all we are trying to do is politely help you to which we are getting rude defensive responses from you.

Point 1) Support is team support Point 2) All members of team need items, not just adc Point 3) There's no such thing as kill stealing (if it does exist, it exists only in Tyler1/KaceyTron Streams and Bot Games) Point 4) Blaming/Flaming others will not help win a game, in fact it generally helps you lose

creatureplexNov 15, 20161 votes

I don't get mad when mid takes it especially at the beginning they actually tend to need the kill more than I do they are a carry afterall. Jungler more situational so if they can give it to their laners it's usually a better idea simply because feeding your laners will get you further they are stronger meaning as a jungler you can concentrate more on counter jungling counter ganking and leveling up faster yourself as everyone knows a jungler has slower leveling then laners do. Supports if you are doing it because they're going to get away it makes sense but a lot of times in bronze they're doing it because they don't' want to depend on the adc, they also tend to be impatient you have no idea how many times I've argued with someone about marksman late game doing the most damage overall, all they need is items.

And this original post wasn't the blame game, I simply was trying to understand why this Zyra thought I sucked and why she was being a complete bitch for no reason........As for ks, a lot of the games I get the kills I fucking dominate I'm getting quadras pentas you name it that person is dead if I get my build up, I don't than I'm just like every other adc, I suck, and do no damage, or very little damage. You're getting rude responses because initially you were stating that I sucked and weren't really explaining to me how!

Supports are for the team, but at first the adc needs them, they're your protection when you get all in, they're your peel before you become the titan. They are your wards when you can't afford them at first. They are the initiator the trader, the main reason you win, or lose your lane.

All members do need it, in fact if I have 4 my mid doesn't have any and I gank mid, I will try to give it to them if I can help it. I'm dominating they're struggling I can't win the game myself more kills distributed the better!

I don't generally blame I do try to advise usually met with sarcasm and idiots ignoring me calling me a tryhard. And you going in playing a game and asking kindly hey can you please choose an actual support and them saying you are my bitch for 10 minutes and picking a Xerath, or a Nidalee, shit even Renekton. I don't like playing with an Annie, or Veigar, or Vel'Koz they're kill lanes. And recently I accept it but I rather someone else than Lux, or Zyra simply because they do tend to steal the show. I like winning games that's why I like bot lane I like outplaying and killing someone and winning the game for my team carrying them doing my job which is to ditch out the most damage. After the game I always give out rewards to my teammates, good job assassin, you kept that adc on lockdown, thanks tank for initiating, thank you support for keeping my ass alive and giving me all those kills. Thank you apc for peeling for me, thank you bruiser for helping me with that Tryndamere or Jax that were gunning for my ass. I like this game, I hate it when people try to destroy it! I guess all in all I just really hate being in bronze and I know it's a game of skill and I know I'm capable of getting out and I know it takes times. It just sucks when your winning streak ends because that person at top went 0-6 against Tryndamere and there's nothing I can do by myself to stop him. Than get blame and told it's my fault and wondering how. I know I'm going to lose I actually don't mind losing I just hate it when I try to help my team by talking to them and they completely ignore it. Now like I said I'm not trying to be an asshole and I certainly hell ain't no fucking pro but I've done a lot of research I've playing every position tank, assassin, bruiser, apc, adc, support you fucking name it I've done it because I wanted to know everything I can because that's just who I am. I play this game to win, that's the fun part, losing isn't fun, but it happens and if it was a good game I'm the first one to say so and in all honestly straight up losing can be fun sometimes to!

My Sea CowNov 15, 20162 votes

And I'm not saying that she had a right to take the kills, none of us were there but screaming Kill Steal is nothing but a bronze mentality and it has been proven over and over again that flaming, blaming others, and having that type of attitude during games will prevent people from climbing further, so we are all trying to help you.

So yes, Zyra SHOULD have thrown her ult earlier in the team fights instead of at the end. She should have backed off if she knew her team could clean up the kills, but I am 100% for her cleaning up if it appeared there was no chance for the team cleaning up the fight.

Why the Zyra thought you sucked, I don't know. Again it's hard to say since we were not watching the game. Were you grabbed 10x by Thresh? Were you condemned 10x by Vayne into a wall? Did you have to flash out of dumb situations you got yourself into? If the answer is no to these then you did fine laning phase especially since you definitely outscaled your laning opponents by soooo much! If you're screaming and flaming your support though, they may just flame back though saying you suck so keep that in mind if you weren't that pleasant to her.

Think of it from this perspective when someone picks a Lux or Xerath or Zyra over a Leona or Thresh in Bronze. Leona's and Thresh's (for example.) are so team dependent. If the team is bad, it's hard to make a huge impression in a game especially when behind as a team because your impact depends either as your team following up on your plays that you set up or your team not getting caught out and dying before you can set them up. As a carry support, if you can get some of the AP items you need, you act like another Mid laner...you do some serious damage but with some CC. I think it makes them feel a bit more in charge of a situation if it goes bad, and they can possibly do something instead of just holding their team doesn't mess up or sitting back and peeling.

Nothing is more frustrating for a support is setting up a great play and no one follows up on it.

Only time I will play Lux (who is my main "carry support") is when there is absolutely no AP on my team and we need some AP. I stay support role until laning phase is over then I do more mid laner role and just try to dish out damage while trying to peel and protect as well. Only time I'll take a kill on purpose in laning phase is when my ADC won't get to it in time before they escape. If I take it other wise, it's just because my spells took it by accident. But once laning phase is over, though I will peel if needed, I'm more AP then support item wise. I'll have Frostqueen and sightstone (Now I'd probably go redemption too), but then probably all AP after that.

creatureplexNov 16, 20161 votes

I wasn't screaming it per say, like I said I was extremely nice didn't say anything until the 2nd kill. And after that I stated and if you could please stop taking my cs, when you hit the minions it makes a bit harder to last hit sometimes. Just for some reason she was a bitch, and said uh no, and then went off on a get better and blah blah blah bullshit, wish I had the chat log to show it so they you guys could see it for yourself at first I asked please I was sincere, she was doing okay I just wanted her to yield the kill to me!

And I'm 110% get the fucking kill if nobody else can clean up the fight if you can. In team fights it's chaotic you're doing damage I'm doing damage our team is doing damage, but why aren't you initiating with that powerful ass knock up of an ult shit could've avoided 2 deaths there or shit!

And no I think Thresh pulled me twice vayne got her stun once on me, Zyra got pulled 4 times, and stunned 6 I just reacted very quickly and saved her ass quite a few times! And yeah I know that but I also know that some people are just dicks just simply to be dicks, and this community is the worst at it! Most people know give the kill to the adc if possible sometimes mistakes happen, but in bronze a lot of supports don't want to support or they don't clearly understand what their job entails. Bronze is separated into 3 categories of players normally. You have those that have been stucked there for seasons and don't learn a single thing will always be there get pissy blame their teammates every freaking loss! You have those that are like me which first rank season just got to 30 this season had crappy placement matches but I know a lot about the game due to the research I put into this game! Then there's the third type complete total noob/casual player they will never do research don't give a rat ass in hell and will play what they want to play with no head towards strategy why are you picking this champion and such, they saw Lux they like her ult they played a fill position had to do support.

And trust me I've played support before I get the agitation of people not following up! But I don't Lux because she gets a doran's ring does her snare bomb ult and kills the fucker as if she was mid, it's like uh I'm the adc couldn't you ult first melt their health bar, then snare, bomb then I kill the fucker????? Or Morgana, snare aoe, cast shield ult if she can, what I don't like about her, is them starting with their aoe level 1 and pushing my wave into the turret that just sucks at the beginning! Zyra her natural ability to take a lot of cs on accident kind of tilts me a bit I'll still play with them just would prefer someone else instead!

Yeah I don't care if they go full ap just try to give me the kills and let me last hit, that way I exit laning phase with a strong lead, ward please so that I can push the tower, and do your best to keep me alive after laning phase extend this to the entire team and get the most assists, I prefer them to grab more supportive items like Mikael's or zeke's ardent censor, but I don't give them shit for their builds that's their job unless they are flat out trolling I'm not going to give them shit unless they ask for advice!

My Sea CowNov 16, 20161 votes

Supports taking kills happen...there's been games when I've had more kills as a Support then my ADC. Never happened on purpose and definitely felt bad about taking them, but it happens, either miscalculated my damage, their adc walked into CC, or it was either kill them or be killed. I'm not going to sit there and give them a kill if i can kill them first if my ADC isn't going to react in time, or I don't think my ADC will react in time. I've flashed in as Janna to get an auto off to finish off kills before because my ADC wouldn't do it. At the end of the day, we got the kill.

Yes she was wrong to not stop last hitting if you asked her politely. A lot of people see the PROS last hit for the Pro ADCs and assume that's what they should be doing as well...monkey see, monkey do. Honestly when I was forced to play support role (before I started learning the role) I'd do the same....you just try to copy the pro players because you want to be like them. But there's no sense arguing with someone you'll chances are never see again, or won't see for 100+ games or more. Much better just to mute and ignore and focus on then the mini game of "lets see if I can last hit before my jerk support does"

As I said previously, why she didn't initiate with the ult I don't know....maybe she used it as a means so they don't escape? I couldn't tell you...yes if I was in her shoes, I'd use it early to mid fight to disrupt not as an execution. So her doing that at the end was the wrong play, I completely agree with you there.

People are in bronze for many reasons....some just have awful mechanics, some just are casual, some play the blame game, some don't think they have anything to improve, and some are flamers/ragers. Though there's always exceptions, the higher up in elo you go the less blaming of others you will see, the less raging (plat elo is exclusion...that elo is toxic as F i've heard).

I have a friend stuck in Bronze. He's been there for 3 seasons. He's an ADC main and I'd say a pretty good one too mechanically wise. But heaven forbid if his support or jungle messes up. It's the immediate blame game, flames them, and he just auto tilts. I'm in no way stating this is what you do...I'm just giving an example here. But because of this blame and flaming, he upsets the whole team, and even if he is correct and the jungler or support is an idiot, it puts the team on edge and effects gameplay and costs him games. His blaming and flaming is what keeps him in bronze, even though mechanically he plays ADC probably as well as a silver.

ANY....ANY....ANY support that starts Dorans is putting themselves behind and doesn't know what they are doing. They will be behind in gold....they lost the lane right there IMO. As for Morgana, she's probably still hands down one of the top 5 best Mage supports IMHO. I'm not talking about her damage. I'm talking about her utility. Her snare which lasts forever. Her shield which stops ALL CC (say bye to thresh hooks....blitz grabs...Taric stuns). If I was an ADC main and I had to choose one support (who was knowledgeable mind you in the support) I'd want a Morgana by my side every day.

If they are going all AP, they aren't playing to give up kills...they are building to be that extra damage person late game. Yes they should still play support role in laning phase and still be somewhat supporty later too.

Just keep in mind though, you are bronze.....as you said, most people either are casual or just are bad. That's why I greatly suggested learning to 1v2 and not rely on a support. Find that ADC that you can 1v2 decently with if a situation comes. For me, mine was Jinx. If I felt that the connection between me and my support was missing, I'd pick Jinx because I knew I could at least farm and somewhat peel if I needed for myself (or them if I needed to).

creatureplexNov 17, 20161 votes

Your first paragraph I agree with, you my friend are a good support, but this is bronze and the supports aren't like that most of them don't want to play support they just get stuck there! My major issues is the hate on adcs, how much shit we get when we fuck up and if bot lane is lost it's the adc's fault not the supports. Nobody ever blames the support they always get a free pass, and I think that's kind of bullshit. When higher level players will say this straight up bot lane generally can be decided by who has the better support, and somebody has to be better or maybe have a better support champion for that matchup! I don't like the blame I get when my support isn't doing well like last game Braum got pulled 5 times, and it forced me with ashe to farm under turret and sometimes blitz pulled me and I didn't have a support to help. I was placed with 4 other pre-made group so yeah I received all the hate for that game and all the blame for it!

My Sea CowNov 17, 20161 votes

I'm in no way trying to hate on ADCs, and generally unless the adc is a complete idiot, it is the support who wins or loses the lane.

If someone is blaming you for someone else getting pulled, that's like blmaing bot lane for the top laner dying. It's ridiculous and I"m sorry someone would be a jerk and blame you for that. But that is in no way your fault and don't let their flaming get to you. Mute them if you have to.

Flex will suck until soloQ comes out. At least they fixed the mmr match ups.

Even in high MMRs you'll get bad supports...I was watching Sneaky stream last night with some girl who was supposedly Master 1 in rank. She was exhausting for absolutely no reason at all, missing every skill shot, she was terrible. If you get behind and can't farm, ask your jungler if you can take krugs for gold (or gromp depending on what side) that's another good way for income if they ahve you super pushed or if you pushing too far forward is dangerous

creatureplexNov 18, 20161 votes

Another issue is when I'm playing top lane I just went as Gangplank against a Vladimir and he completely fucking raped me at level 1 like did so much damage to me it was retarded. I remember playing against him in customs and most champions I complete understand how they beat me but him it made no sense at all 1 q and i had to pop a healing potion it was retarded how much damage that one ability did, I honestly think he was cheating because his Q for some reason was slowing me, now I don't ever face Vlad that was my first time and for life of me I can't understand how he devastated me so easily!

My Sea CowNov 18, 20161 votes

I really can't help you there because I haven't played Top since the Vlad rework (took a 4 month break from league then decided to stop being Top/Jungle main and go support main)

But my only thought is if you're losing trades that bad at level one, your runes may be really bad, or he could just have completely all AP runes (which is not a good rune page IMHO, but would wreck you level 1 if you have no Magic resist)

Looking at your GP runes they are good, and you have MR and though I"m no GP player but I believe you have the correct runes for him. But looking at that Vlad's rune page, he has all AP or MPen. So his Q will hurt SOOOO much with all that AP especially at level 1. So not really cheating but annoying definitely.

GP honestly is a pretty advanced top laner, I tried so hard to learn him when I was a Top main and gave up. Right now you have a very low win rate on GP so I'd suggest putting him aside in ranked and maybe focusing on the champions that you have higher win rates with or play normals until you can get at least a positive win rate with him.

Is top your secondary role?

Kirius DarkNov 15, 20162 votes

Sounds like you think pretty highly of yourself and want to get ultra fed every single game to go god mode ham quad & pentas. This is the reason why youre in shitter league because you think the game revolves around YOU, to support YOU and to feed YOU. So even if the support is helping the win the game, you flame them because it's not just for YOU

If you're looking for straight outplays then adc isnt it. Go mid or jungle

creatureplexNov 16, 20161 votes

No my job is damage when a support its taking everything as an adc we aren't going to be able to get our items. If we can't get our items then we are well useless! That's pretty much all it is!

creatureplexNov 13, 20161 votes

Kirius DarkNov 15, 20161 votes

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I call it ks because every kill that Zyra got I could of easily of gotten she just kept taking it I needed one more auto it was obviou her double kill at bot lane she got pulled thresh waited until I started ulting then right before they died she popped her ult and took the double kill. I simply was trying to save her ass when I ulted and her thanks was her taking both the kills and dying because of it.

Her ult takes quite a bit of time to go off. It's not like she casts it at the last second just to get the last hits in

creatureplexNov 16, 20161 votes

It's one of those things you have to be there to see, her play style was always last second, she wait till I die then cast exhaust on Rengar even though she saw him coming after me but didn't do nothing not even pop her ult, pop her snare, cast exhaust all were available same thing with her ult, she could of ulted a little bit ago waited till she got grabbed than ulted, if she would of ulted before I would of easily got the double kill she would of got 2 assists I would of fed hard in that game easily! She could've done a way better job of supporting it just seems that she didn't want to play support!

AptestNov 13, 20161 votes

NO all you need is farm. farm is all you need.

creatureplexNov 13, 20161 votes

Yup except when your support constantly pushes the lane into their tower then your kind of in a position you have to wait to push them back or risk getting ganked.

AptestNov 13, 20161 votes

From the score board I can tell one important thing:

The zyra, as the team's principle magic damage dealer, was as valuable as yourself.

Zyra in this game is at least as valuable as the ADC for the outcome of a team fight, and the rest of the team should focus on protecting her. Actually more valuable since she also provides CC.

As for rengar. she has to wait until he blows his empowered W. Otherwise he'll just shrug off the CC.

creatureplexNov 13, 20161 votes

We had a Ryze given he kind of sucked but she didn't know that at the beginning, the last part maybe a possibility but judging that I'm in bronze I doubt that was the reason simply stating I suck I'm playing with people of similar skill Rengar is somewhat new now so I need to learn him just like every other champion that got a rework. All I'm simply saying I get what you are saying but no we had a good apc with CC and a strong Nunu, I could of done just as good with a halfway decent support if not better in fact I've had way better games then this last one.

AptestNov 13, 20163 votes

(a) The Zyra player was more skilled than you. Not just more skilled - considerably more skilled. The Zyra's statement about you being a bad ADC - compared to the Zyra's skill you are abysmal. that is a fact. And she'd have known that at the beginning of the game, because she goes to LOLking or another website and does her homework while the game is loading.

(b) let see, you are playing an immobile ADC with a channel ult and short range, your team isn't built for peeling very well and the support is correctly focusing on dealing damage. and the enemy team is super mobile and fairly focused on getting on top of you and killing you. I'd say, given the circumstances you did ok for yourself.

(c) considering the Zyra's damage output, in hindsight her choice of sacrificing you and your performance for outputting more damage herself is justified. You lose a small amount of damage output due to getting killed but from your score i can see that you've generally managed to get your ult and skills off. If zyra plays more "protect the ADC" her damage output will have fallen sharply because her damage will have switched from optimal AOE placement to just getting the diver on top of you. A loss of 50% of zyra's damage, for the benefit of an increase of 20% in your damage, is simply not worth it for your team.

creatureplexNov 13, 20161 votes

Finally a logical standpoint but still her comment that I suck was not necessary, if she would of stated it like this than yeah, as for her skill even with damage that's from her build she built like a damage dealer but she didn't need to push as hard as she did. If she didn't I wouldn't of had to overextend as hard as I did therefore putting me in more difficult positions and making Rengar's job so much easier. And considering I did good please explain why I was a bad adc? Because that part just sounds fucking retarded as all fucks! As for my lolking score I haven't played recently a few games admittedly I did bad but if you actually check my win rate recently with miss fortune my fucking kda phenomenal even with ashe I'm pretty dominant and tristana is improving if I was playing my Twitch then I understand a little more. Yeah but I waited for them to retreat or in a vulnerable position before I ulted them dodge yasuo's wind wall, and his knock up avoid rengar and kite him as best I can which with miss fortune is kind of easy considering without rengar's net it's kind of hard for him to catch me with my speed boost i get with my w plus youman's ghostblade yeah awesome item for her. I didn't mind her damage I mind her laning presence that part was annoying she wasn't doing that much damage at the start she got that way after she took like 4 kills from me. We had an apc Ryze he was decent ok he fucking sucked and I had to save his ass a few times, but either way it could of all been avoided if she simply stated hey this Ryze isn't very good would you like me to go ap to add more damage I would of stated sure just don't ks me please. Stay close by get me fed and you and I will carry this team. And if anything the real mvp of this game was the Nunu. Plus on top of this I was third pick I only saw Rengar, and Sivir, out of my 4 adcs I play Miss Fortune was my best option that was until Yasuo, and Irelia, and Thresh popped which is why I'm wearing barrier and not heal!

AptestNov 13, 20162 votes

(a) Look at her rank. She is B2, you are B4. You sucking, compared to her, is a simple dry fact. I'm not trying to insult you, just to point out reality.

Zyra is used to ADCs who control the waves much better than you, who position much better than you, who trade much better than you. You are compared to those ADCs who are better than you at everything. From her perspective, you have no adequate lane control, you don't know when to push the lane and when to not push it and how to push it. You lose a ton of CS because you can't last hit for shit and you don't properly trade with lane opponent. From the Zyra's perspective, she is taking over all the things you are not doing properly, and also gulping all the CS she believes you'll miss. She is probably guilty at not giving you the benefit of the doubt - but OTOH she is acting decisively based on available information and you maybe should try to figure out what kind of fault she is finding in your actions.

(b) You are a bad ADC because you are only capable of carrying yourself to b4 with ADC. I am not saying you played poorly (compared to opponents) this one specific game. But you are expected to suck every game and I am certain the Zyra was noticing many flaws in your gameplay. Also win rate means nothing. the only thing that matters is WOR (wins over replacement) which is represented in your bracket.

(c) looking at kills and assists I can see zyra getting mostly assists later on whereas you are getting kills. Perhaps you are getting kills on targets already at half HP because they took a bunch of AOE in the face? and you are getting the freedom to do it because the zyra is chunking the other team so hard they have to respect her.

(d) TLDR: the Zyra got some kills in lane, probably mostly due to zyra being a burster champion and therefore more likely to get kills than assists. Following that, the Zyra goes "carry mode, powered up" and basically nukes the other team to a loss. Her only fault is that she steals your thunder a little bit but why are you upset?

creatureplexNov 13, 20161 votes

First point A, he's a fucking bronze 2 quit acting like that's significantly higher than bronze 4 because in reality it's probably not, as their are silver league players that belong bronze and bronze players with a few tips could easily get to silver if they implement the tips well. And no maybe from her perspective sure you can comment on the cs part and all the shit common adcs have issues with but if you check compared to average when I play Miss Fortune I'm getting I believe around 50 cs on average more than the average player that plays Miss Fortune, ntm a higher kdr explains why I have 2 tokens with her now han bitch! In reality you really don't got a fucking clue of what you are talking about when trying to say a bronze 2 is better than a bronze 4 I play silvers I beat them all the time does that mean I belong in silver fuck no it means I had a decent game against them it also means that bronze is the lowest of the low, but don't kid yourself by thinking that silver is much better, let alone bronze 2 over bronze 4 get the fuck out of here!

Yes partially correct except one fatal flaw in your design regardless of your support you know your adc, Miss Fortune is one of the best adcs for harassment and trading especially in bronze because idiots push too hard she can easily take advantage with his q, and pushing her lane very fast, she doesn't need her lane overly push. Yes maybe some adcs are better than me, but trust it's far an in between which is why I generally dominate my lane. This isn't to say that I couldn't work on other things, 69 cs in one game where she wasn't split pushing and and you do realized that by what you are saying her assists should be higher the average support has about double amount of assists in that time frame. ADC one of the downside of playing an adc, you are very reliant on your support if you support sucks balls you're going to be behind and being the carry that's a really bad situation, so your argument is fucking retarded like really do you know this game at all because I'm starting to feel like you don't.

As for your comment about hp, I did ditch out the most damage so I earn every single one of my fucking kills and considering I'm playing against a lot of assassins, yeah I have to have some skill as an adc to even have a half way decent game. I will get the fuck out of bronze this is my first rank season I've played started bronze 3 went straight to bronze 5 and I think by next season my ass will be in silver and even at that point I'm still compared to 80% of the player base which means I still fucking suck at that point. Until I get to gold then nothing below that is actually worth anything because you still are a crappy ass player.

As for why I'm upset because I asked her to stop and she acted like a bitch, maybe I'm tired of playing adc when Zyra, Lux, and Morgana are playing as supports because they rather carry a lane because they assume every adc sucks in bronze! Which on the flip side she's in bronze to seems to me she's just have had better games so far, if she was better she wouldn't be bronze simple fact! If she had good skill she would know her damage output I knew mine you now often an enemy got away if they didn't have flash, or an escape they were fucking and I almost never got the fucking kill because I was support I gave it to my adc, teamfights I'll back off doesn't matter who gets the kill better them than me, because that's the mentality of a good fucking support player. Maybe if assholes jackass idiotic dumbasses don't go a fucking clue about this game stop encouraging supports to play this way, the adcs would get better, after all isn't the point to improve how can a fucking adc improve when you got asshole supports that won't let them do their fucking job!

AptestNov 13, 20161 votes

(a) first of all, congratulations for your promotion. You've spent a bunch of months in bronze 5, and the effort seems to be paying off. good luck with the climb.

(b) you are correct in assuming that "a bunch of simple tips" can make you climb from bronze to silver. However it is also correct that most bronze players are not able to reach and maintain silver. The "few tips" are not something that the bronze players are able to consistently implement well, and ALSO they are each extremely high value tips that have a lot of impact.

(c) I am a silver 5 support. I get matched into bronze 2,3,4 a lot. because guess what you guys no support and i get pulled down to help out. My experience with bronze players is this:

bronze 4, I will eat without salt. I chew them up and spit them out. sometimes I play a more passive support so the chewing only starts when the ADC grows half a ball, but if i am on an aggressive champion? the only question is, if my adc gets assists.

bronze 2 is a different story. I can still lord over them like a pharaoh, but i kinda need my ADC to step in and not be a complete potato. otherwise i have to play more passive which sucks.

there is a major difference in skill between bronze 4 and bronze 2. bronze 2 will juke. they will attempt to path correctly. they will attempt to dodge incoming damage. they will respond when threatened. they don't panic or freeze when a lulu AAs them and they dont play catch the skill-shot with the enemy support. They use their trinkets and they actively attempt to help their team.

creatureplexNov 13, 20161 votes

My other major issue I have is using right click and left click at the right moments while I'm kiting. And I know how to trade well with all my adcs, it's an art that I'm glad I started developing. I'm good at baiting skill shots and dodging them though admittedly compared to challenger not that good at it. And since I just started I'm getting used to quick cast so sometimes not meaning like my first time I ulted with ashe I accidentally shot it all the way to the left while I met to shoot it straight behind me to stop a maokai from killing me, I thank God that I had a good Braum that pissed me off severely because the entire game was bitching at me even though I have the most damage, most kills, highest cs count, and didn't even die that much I was ashe against a Sona, Maokai, Ezreal, Amumu, Warwick, so a lot of hard CC using an immobile marksman, I only saw one champion or trust me ashe wouldn't of been my pick for this game. Most of the time I was running around my team pretty much saying peel peel for me had a cleanse and my support was like why you grabbed that, I'm like you are kidding me right look at their team half the game I'm running around trying to dodge every skill shot I can and somehow manage to still ditch out the most damage despite my Braum taking the first 5 out 6 kills on our team after runaan's and red buff I kind of started going ham.

I'm not the best adc and sometimes I run into an adc that actually is better than me but I say I'm skill enough to know that this person is better so let's play bit passive and let my support set up the play. At the end I had to point out to Braum before he stop chatting in chat saying I was plat well now I know why you aren't anymore! I told him look they are a cc heavy reliant team now I can dodge Sona's ult somewhat, Maokai I can kite, Warwick can't do shit against him if he ults me I need to cleanse, and I can dodge Amumu to! But that much CC cleanse was the best choice I feel! I ended up having to mute him so I didn't have to listen to his shit anymore. Bad part about Ashe all it takes is one missed auto that fucker can get away or b they can get you! So playing Ashe isn't as simple as shoot arrows there's a lot of kiting involved. My largest issue during team fights is attack moving so that I can efficiently stay with my enemy especially when I'm playing Twitch!

As you can see I know my flaws, and I know how to fix them my issues aren't lack of knowledge or mechanics it's simply practice. After a while I'm bound to get out of bronze and in all honesty I think I can get to gold next season, I think right now that's where I peak for a couple of seasons as certain mechanics will need to get dramatically better for me to advance pass that point.

creatureplexNov 13, 20161 votes

Your last session is exactly what I do my major issue I'm having right now is what to do when I fall behind because my support doesn't match my playstyle, or I made a mistake or a few that got me behind. Due to my nature and cs being higher than average this doesn't happen to much, but hyper aggression and a lazy support will set me behind, that and fucking Jinx if I don't play Miss Fortune! My other major issue I have is using right click and left click at the right moments while I'm kiting. And I know how to trade well with all my adcs, it's an art that I'm glad I started developing. I'm good at baiting skill shots and dodging them though admittedly compared to challenger not that good at it. And since I just started I'm getting used to quick cast so sometimes not meaning like my first time I ulted with ashe I accidentally shot it all the way to the left while I met to shoot it straight behind me to stop a maokai from killing me, I thank God that I had a good Braum that pissed me off severely because the entire game was bitching at me even though I have the most damage, most kills, highest cs count, and didn't even die that much I was ashe against a Sona, Maokai, Ezreal, Amumu, Warwick, so a lot of hard CC using an immobile marksman, I only saw one champion or trust me ashe wouldn't of been my pick for this game. Most of the time I was running around my team pretty much saying peel peel for me had a cleanse and my support was like why you grabbed that, I'm like you are kidding me right look at their team half the game I'm running around trying to dodge every skill shot I can and somehow manage to still ditch out the most damage despite my Braum taking the first 5 out 6 kills on our team after runaan's and red buff I kind of started going ham. I'm not the best adc and sometimes I run into an adc that actually is better than me but I say I'm skill enough to know that this person is better so let's play bit passive and let my support set up the play. At the end I had to point out to Braum before he stop chatting in chat saying I was plat well now I know why you aren't anymore! I told him look they are a cc heavy reliant team now I can dodge Sona's ult somewhat, Maokai I can kite, Warwick can't do shit against him if he ults me I need to cleanse, and I can dodge Amumu to! But that much CC cleanse was the best choice I feel! I ended up having to mute him so I didn't have to listen to his shit anymore. Bad part about Ashe all it takes is one missed auto that fucker can get away or b they can get you! So playing Ashe isn't as simple as shoot arrows there's a lot of kiting involved. My largest issue during team fights is attack moving so that I can efficiently stay with my enemy especially when I'm playing Twitch!

creatureplexNov 13, 20161 votes

Now I don't mean to sound like a dick and I get your trying to give the support the benefit of the doubt but you're starting to come off as a bit of a dick! Condescending ass chown finding faults in my play it's fine, I get that I'm not perfect other wise I be a challenger player don't care clown on my play trying to play like this support is a higher skill player because I could play this blindly and get more assists than that zyra can I played Morgana, Gangplank, Soraka, Ashe even, Fiddlesticks Nami as supports my average amount of assists which each one was around 20 in a matter of 30 minutes you know how many kills last time I did a sup was Ashe just for fun went 4-14-31 and help my vayne turn a losing game into a game we won through ashe's cc I baited people constantly and didn't take any of those kills I gave them to her she sucked at the beginning like horribly she couldn't dodge a skillshot to save her fucking life probably one of the worst adcs I've ever seen given it was her first time playing Vayne, but I annoyed the living fuck out of their assassins and made people want to focus me through my cc and my build it was nuts. It's not something I would advise unless you know Ashe really well but it can work and in bronze it works really well! Having a sup that does burst damage does not give you a fucking excuse to ks an adc!

AptestNov 13, 20161 votes

The way I see it, here is how the game plays out:

The support on your team is fucking voltron defender of the universe and basically nukes the shit out of the other team. You do your job killing shit as ADC but essentially get carried hard by momma support.

you should be thinking: OMFG i thought i have to get fed and be the super carry do everything guy for this retard b4 ass team but instead the support is a megazord drops from the heavens to crush the other team with her made to walk all over you boots and i get an easy win. how do i get more of my supports to go nuclear and i can have easy wins putting both feet on the table and eating ice cream while a megafed turbo charged support shovels effort free wins down my throat?

Instead you go, "KS KS noob support rage rage rage, forums console me"

does not compute - which is why im chewing you up.

creatureplexNov 13, 20161 votes

Except completely wrong! My support wasn't oh God aw mighty I've played with aggressive supports passive supports poke supports sustain you name it I know their strengths and I know mine. Plus I know what the enemy can do most supports don't mind listening as long as it seems like I know what I'm doing most of the time they say okay if I ask them to stop autoing, they stop, if I asked them to play more passive they say okay. Then every now and then I'll get that support that normally costs us the game by starving the living shit out of me by going Lux without a gold item and not realizing well they're an ezreal and thresh, we're ashe and lux, um yeah you want me to do what now? And no I said ks ks ks because my support simply well completely ignored me then for some reason said I sucked like wtf I got all your assists got first blood so obviously I've proven I'm not incompetent so can you please play a bit more passive I'm tired of being Rengar's bitch! And I kind of need that farm especially since you are taking all the kills.

Kirius DarkNov 15, 20161 votes

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Except completely wrong! My support wasn't oh God aw mighty I've played with aggressive supports passive supports poke supports sustain you name it I know their strengths and I know mine. Plus I know what the enemy can do most supports don't mind listening as long as it seems like I know what I'm doing most of the time they say okay if I ask them to stop autoing, they stop, if I asked them to play more passive they say okay. Then every now and then I'll get that support that normally costs us the game by starving the living shit out of me by going Lux without a gold item and not realizing well they're an ezreal and thresh, we're ashe and lux, um yeah you want me to do what now? And no I said ks ks ks because my support simply well completely ignored me then for some reason said I sucked like wtf I got all your assists got first blood so obviously I've proven I'm not incompetent so can you please play a bit more passive I'm tired of being Rengar's bitch! And I kind of need that farm especially since you are taking all the kills.

Look, fact is you were telling the support how YOU want to play and YOU WERE WRONG. Lets break this down http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2344909966/230946465?tab=overview

First tower blood is at an ultra long 17 min in, going to Gangplank WHO DIED 5 times. That is just plain wrong when there were 7 deaths in bot lane, 3 of which were complete wipes of both support and ADC. How did you NOT take first tower? Especially if they were pushed to tower all game like you said, it should have been chipped away by minions all the time before that while you can take tower shots as theyre trying to CS. You want gold? Get that tower FB which can net you the gold of two kills.

creatureplexNov 16, 20161 votes

Um no I was right stop taking my cs please stop taking my kills please that's just common sense. You play support you should know to yield last hitting to your adc if possible! Reason we didn't get first tower is because their jungler showed up a lot didn't get kills but was babysitting bot lane he always manage to get there so we couldn't make much of a push!

creatureplexNov 13, 20161 votes

Believe it or not I do my homework to if I saw their team initially, I probably would of chose Twitch instead since with him, I could pop invisible sneak up behind the enemy line with no tank could of unleashed and easily killed Sivir, then run back with my Q come from the front after they waste so much trying to catch me and well; go ham on them!