Getting sick of all the mages/////not supports mages playing bot lane as support

creatureplex·4/6/2018, 7:14:33 AM·3 votes·3,204 views

First, it was Annie, then Brand, now it's getting retarded riot.......you have Ziggs, Vel'Koz, Xerath, Malzahar, Annie, Brand, Twisted Fate, Veigar, when does it hit a point when riot finally realizes this is not healthy for the game. It's pushing supports like Soraka, Nami, Sona, really squishy supports out of the support role their intended purpose. Like even those that are mages supports like Morgana, Zyra, Lux, Lulu, and Karma are now just building ap and trying to ditch out damage like an apc would in mid.......And the only reason it works as well as it does is because mages are meant to kill adcs through burst damage......and because of their range most of them can poke and do a lot more damage making trading really difficult, I'm sure I speak for most players that main support, one reason they don't want to do it is because they don't want to pick Sona, and then have to face Xerath support, it's like wow, at least with Soraka which is a counter to Sona at least Sona still has a fighting chance, but with Xerath at support it takes away her niche......and that's wrong.

Suggestions, nerf their cc make it less oppressive, longer cooldowns, definitely less damage especially in early game...........Make a starting MR item kind of like the cull in case adcs have to face this, where it builds into nothing sacrifice some damage early game, but grant some MR so there's a tradeoff......Obviously doran's blade would still have it's place, while this MR item would only be a buy if and only if your going against a champion that's in lack of better words playing a mage bot lane trolling. Shit maybe make starting items like ancient coin spellthief's edge relic shield only useful on actual support champion kind of like you've done with certain items with melee/range.......Therefore only real support champions can start it. It won't totally get rid of the issue but might help prevent this type of behavior.

I get that riot wants to make more champions useful in other positions but please don't fuck with support role.......I don't like playing with or against apcs at bot lane. I'll accept Lux, Zyra, Morgana and what no because they are supports,,,, even Fiddlesticks........but let's stop with the whole hey they have a cc ability they can support bullshit mentality.

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Lord of Math4/6/2018, 7:18:30 AM2 votes

Such an item would kill Mordekaiser

AmetDeCrypt4/6/2018, 8:10:26 AM1 votes

while I like the idea of an MR item to start. I'm pretty sure you can also just buy a null magic mantle and a potion if you want the MR. as for mages in the bot lane. it's not just healthy, it's downright a blessing that the support role has resisted riot's attempts to force the janna/nami/lulu triumverate into law as of recent years. and I say this as a lulu main I don't mind facing them because lots of support items build MR innately and ADC can just get an early item 3140 if they really want to and be good.

IRFodder4/6/2018, 9:57:57 AM1 votes

Boots + pots is a good option. Still a pain though.

Aptest4/7/2018, 5:40:11 AM1 votes

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Please forgive me for using a low blow argument. I have played in your MMR, and now as I am returning to the game I will play in it some more before i get up to speed again. In your MMR, people don't dodge skill shots. I mean, they don't attempt to dodge skillshots. Once you leave this tier and get to b2-3, things will be much different.

First, it was Annie, then Brand, now it's getting retarded riot.......you have Ziggs, Vel'Koz, Xerath, Malzahar, Annie, Brand, Twisted Fate, Veigar, when does it hit a point when riot finally realizes this is not healthy for the game. It's pushing supports like Soraka, Nami, Sona, really squishy supports out of the support role their intended purpose.

I am a support main. I mostly play these squishy caster types, mainly Bard (who has a really crappy range and can't compete with the ranged poke), and I this season fall back on Nami and Sona, whereas last season it was TK and Lulu.

I do not feel as if my picks are "pushed out" by Velkoz and lux supports (ziggs is fucking annoying though, lol). Here is what I feel:

1 do I have a win condition over them? yes, exploit a stronger mid game where their damage drops and my utility advantage does not. 2** is my win condition fun**? yes, ganking mid and making plays with my jungler is hell'a fun, much more fun than "guard the ADC".

Since both questions are "yes", I do not mind mage supports on bottom lane at all. Yes I get to suffer a bit early game because of all the harass and pushing power coming in and i can't get CCEd because lol velkoz combo 100->0 me so i have to passive it up...

...but then mid game comes and im everywhere with mr mid or mr jungler and they have to watch their immobile mage gets popped again and again because lol nerf lee sin.

Like even those that are mages supports like Morgana, Zyra, Lux, Lulu, and Karma are now just building ap and trying to ditch out damage like an apc would in mid.......And the only reason it works as well as it does is because mages are meant to kill adcs through burst damage......and because of their range most of them can poke and do a lot more damage making trading really difficult.

It works because people in B5 are not trying to dodge skillshots. I've been where you are, I won lane just by throwing a bunch of random skillshots at people and having them land.

Start dodging, and give up some of the CS and stop worrying about it. Once you do that, thing will not "work for them" as well as you think they do. You don't have to win lane against an obvious lane bully to win the game and you're not supposed to.

I'm sure I speak for most players that main support, one reason they don't want to do it is because they don't want to pick Sona, and then have to face Xerath support, it's like wow, at least with Soraka which is a counter to Sona at least Sona still has a fighting chance, but with Xerath at support it takes away her niche......and that's wrong.

You do not speak for me. I am ok with facing Xerath support. Facing Xerath support makes the game more fun for me than facing Janna support.

The thing that is not fun for me, in the support role, is following mr ADC around and protecting him from all sorts of assassins and divers. My fun is to be active around the map and pressuring objectives and making plays on the other team's players. What denies me fun, is having to be shackled to another player because that player is too important to the team's success and the other team has a ton of champions that specialize in hunting that player.

Xerath support does not help with his team's plays. So I am more free to make my plays as opposed to countering his. He does not offer good catch skills to kill my ADC after the lane phase. So i can leave and roam. He is also an immobile artillery mage and if i can get my jungler on top of him it's yum +300g. Xerath support is good for me, as a bard / nami / sona player.

caveat: I think it is important for you as an ADC player to understand what is fun and not fun for me as a support player. Many ADC players, and i am not pointing a finger at you here, have a very specific mindset on what is fun for the support role to be and do, which is not connected to what support players actually want (hint: we don't want to shield your scrawny ass).

Suggestions, nerf their cc make it less oppressive, longer cooldowns, definitely less damage especially in early game...........Make a starting MR item kind of like the cull in case adcs have to face this, where it builds into nothing sacrifice some damage early game, but grant some MR so there's a tradeoff......Obviously doran's blade would still have it's place, while this MR item would only be a buy if and only if your going against a champion that's in lack of better words playing a mage bot lane trolling. Shit maybe make starting items like ancient coin spellthief's edge relic shield only useful on actual support champion kind of like you've done with certain items with melee/range.......Therefore only real support champions can start it. It won't totally get rid of the issue but might help prevent this type of behavior.

ADC can buy this cheap mr item item 1033 and either sell it later or make one of these great items from it item 3155 item 3139 item 3091.

I get that riot wants to make more champions useful in other positions but please don't fuck with support role.......I don't like playing with or against apcs at bot lane. I'll accept Lux, Zyra, Morgana and what no because they are supports,,,, even Fiddlesticks........but let's stop with the whole hey they have a cc ability they can support bullshit mentality.

Karma With A Gun4/8/2018, 11:27:47 AM1 votes

I think rito already put that item in-game tho

Edit: BTW the fact you have shen support on match history makes your entire "mages should stay mid" argument laughable at best

Gabresol4/30/2018, 10:01:45 AM1 votes

Wait how strong they will be after the mana changes [sg-miss-fortune]

WatchYourHeadM85/24/2018, 6:48:21 AM1 votes

Tbh if people don’t think Zyra supp is busted, idk what to say.

Step 1. Max e not w and get an adc with cc or slow

Step 2. Stop max range rooting and give them no time to dodge

Step 3. Dominate lane and then game because your damage and kit is so powerful you carry team fights on your back and can 1v2 any squishies late game with one combo like your an Annie with Twibbers

This is from a Zyra player and I love that shit