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I really hate support Lux

creatureplex··4 votes·2,116 views

All she fucking does is buy fucking damage constantly all game, it's like dude where's item 3504 item 3190 item 3222 item 3069 item 3107 item 3341 item 3905 item 3512 there are so many options, oh well her problem is long cooldowns, han her ult is one of the most shortest cooldowns in the fucking game..........look you chose support you want to play lux, great, but stop going for kills, go more for protecting your adc, and your team, ult first shit ditch out a ton of damage, don't wait until the last minute to ult and steal the kill........so many times I've seen Lux that just snowball sometimes or completely get dumped on because they chose not build supportive......make your shield stronger, your snare last longer something shit.......nah I'm going for my slow and adding damage which is great but if you never hit, it then what now I'm faced with two people and a lux weak ass unreliable shield that you probably don't even know how to cast well on another player because you are so used to putting it only on yourself. Morgana somewhat same problem, but not as bad, almost every Lux I run into I just wanna dodge, cuz either she's going to snowball off of my kills, or b, she's going to be the reason we lose the game because she went full ap.

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Godhri2 votes

Lux is meant to do damage even as support... If she's falling behind, I'd understand going the traditional support item builds, but if she's at least even, it doesn't make sense for her to build those other items you listed.

Granted there are situations where Mikael's might be ideal, but I wouldn't build half those items on Lux support. I don't ever play adc though so I wouldn't understand what it's like to lane with a lux support. I would be that Lux support lol which I guess is why I'm defending it now.

creatureplex1 votes

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Lux is meant to do damage even as support... If she's falling behind, I'd understand going the traditional support item builds, but if she's at least even, it doesn't make sense for her to build those other items you listed.

Granted there are situations where Mikael's might be ideal, but I wouldn't build half those items on Lux support. I don't ever play adc though so I wouldn't understand what it's like to lane with a lux support. I would be that Lux support lol which I guess is why I'm defending it now.

I get she is supposed to do damage, but she can still benefit and fulfill the role of support with supportive items, I can't tell how many times I would of loved if lux bought item 3190 or item 3222 item 3504 or all three of them especially this item which i don't care who you are every support champions should get a fucking sightstone! It sucks that when I start doing good as an adc, I gotta work some miracle shit to survive the 5 fuckers that are now trying to kill me even more than before, this last game, I got hit with 3 fucking ults from Xerath, Miss Fortune, and Brand all at the same time. Any one of those items, increase my movement speed, grant me a shield get rid of fn cc from Taric's stun........I'm an adc, I'm getting targeted and focus I'm an easy death build those items increase my chances to survive a fucking Brand ult.

Godhri1 votes

Honestly though, people should be allowed to choose their own path on how they will support. Dealing damage is a way to support as well as it provides extra pressure. Moreover, if you notice that your support is building more damage then you should adapt your play to their build. Trying to control someone's actions (something which you have no control over) will just give you unnecessary tilt and yes, worrying about what they are building is trying to control it.

This means playing careful and avoiding unnecessary risks because your support clearly did not build for buffing/debuffing you.

creatureplex1 votes

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Honestly though, people should be allowed to choose their own path on how they will support. Dealing damage is a way to support as well as it provides extra pressure. Moreover, if you notice that your support is building more damage then you should adapt your play to their build. Trying to control someone's actions (something which you have no control over) will just give you unnecessary tilt and yes, worrying about what they are building is trying to control it.

This means playing careful and avoiding unnecessary risks because your support clearly did not build for buffing/debuffing you.

But when I have a lux that started doran's ring, then went and starting farming the lane, took half the cs, and we didn't get kills, for a little bit instead I left lane under 100 cs and no xeal for team fights, the 2 kills I could of got lux made a snare I came around needed one more auto, she auto killed them they had no chance of getting away, bard I start going ham on him cuz he missed his stun on me, one more auto lux ults and kills him, doesn't get a gold item, end game, she did a lot of damage, had the least amount of deaths, and the least amount of assists I still manage to out dps her, but my damage was a lot lower than it could of been if I would of had a support more dedicated to supporting me rather than feeding themselves. We almost lost because of my weak laning phase, after laning phase I need my damage item with is infinity edge/essence reaver, then a xeal to start building my runann's hurricane, instead I had no xeal and had to build spirit visage to protect myself from a fizz ult.......we won the game, I think in large parts to me being able to prioritize but still it sucked. And it's not the first time, anytime I see a Lux, my first and only worry is are they going to support or are they going to try to steal the show, the second one primary making me useless.....I might as well sit at the fountain. If you want to support dodge, but if you chose to support and you for an ap Lux fine cool Idc, please go into the match with the mindset of being a support not being an apc.

VvVVvV3 votes

Its not just the items tho.....Lux supports literally try to take every kill.......Lux and the ADC can be almost full health and soon as the enemy gets low enough you better believe shes going to ult them even if the adc is in range and needs just 1 or 2 autos to finish them off. Hell, some even flash to get the last auto in. I really dont care what items a Lux support builds as long as they have a support item that allows warding and they dont take kills they dont need to.

creatureplex1 votes

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Its not just the items tho.....Lux supports literally try to take every kill.......Lux and the ADC can be almost full health and soon as the enemy gets low enough you better believe shes going to ult them even if the adc is in range and needs just 1 or 2 autos to finish them off. Hell, some even flash to get the last auto in. I really dont care what items a Lux support builds as long as they have a support item that allows warding and they dont take kills they dont need to.

Or, has the lowest amount of assists, vision score, and on top of that least amount of deaths. They just sit back wait till an enemy is low than ult! Get in trouble shield themselves drop their slow and snare, ult! Doesn't matter anyways 3 game losing streak and I'm probably headed back to Bronze V now. Most one sided match I could of imagine, Karthus, Volibear, Miss Fortune, Shyvana, and a fucking Brand support......God I hate Brand support, and all the fucking apcs that are playing bot now. In bronze it's the worst because nobody knows what to do against a mage at bot lane, it's simple Brand has no real cc outside of his q which is truly his only skill shot he has and it's kind of hard to land in comparison to blitzcrank and such, so what to do, well, camp the fuck out of bot lane, then you don't target the adc, you target the fucking mage, kill the fucking mage over and over and over, and remind him of why it's good to actually play a support champion.......then all chat and said hey if you would of play nami you might of been able to get away.

3TWarrior2 votes

lux is not a traditional support. She is a mage support. Mage supports function by using crowd control or damage as the majority of their function in bottom lane to allow the marksman to farm and then maintaining a healthy presence mid to late game.

Traditional supports focus more on healing, shields, buffs and some crowd control or peel but typically not enough to warrant immediate purchases of items to bolster their ratios. Traditional supports then buy more utility items to prevent hazardous circumstances if possible

This also happens to be why many players choose mages as support, simply because a mage support can function in and out of team fights and actively participate, whereas a traditional support is more about the other players than what you can do

Final Spark Lux2 votes

Don't forget Athenes. It's an amazing item for me. That being said, the current meta is heavily skewed towards damage. It's a lot more effective to build damage and one shot someone than it is to rely on someone else and hope they survive long enough to kill someone else. As they say, death is the best CC. If damage ever starts returning to normal levels, I believe traditional builds will start to be more prevalent again.

My shield actually happens to be one of the strongest in the game atm. Also I'd like to point out that kills don't belong to anyone, and all that matters is the enemy is defeated. Besting an enemy champion in battle is just a means to push a lane. It doesn't matter who ends up getting the takedown gold or CS if you're actively putting your enemy in a position where they're forced to either recall or die and pushing your lane.

Okuma1 votes

How's the W changes feeling? Have you tried them out yet?

Final Spark Lux1 votes

It's not out on live yet, so I can't say that I have since I don't mess with PBE. Looks like they changed it. Last I heard, it was proposed to give on-hit damage to allies and the shield numbers were different. The base stats were absolutely ridiculous, but I really liked the thought of potentially amplifying my support capabilities. A lot of people don't realize I was actually designed with support in mind, but I digress. Here's what's currently on the PBE:

Prismatic Barrier (W) mana cost lowered from 60 at all ranks to 50 at all ranks [Effect Changed] Return shield now always does 2x the base shield amount [no longer needs to hit an ally on the way out] "Lux now shields herself and fires the missile at start of cast (instead of after the .25 seconds cast time)"

I think this is more aimed at helping mid, but the slight reduction on the delay with the added benefit of not needing to hit the first part of shield for the 2nd part to be decent will also help support in a lot of situations. That being said, I actually don't like this change, but not because it's a bad one.

Currently, I feel that it's extremely satisfying to hit both parts of my shield. It gives skill expression to the ability. While I think the change will help certain aspects (such as mid lane), I don't like it because it removes a giant chunk of skill expression. It won't feel as satisfying to land both parts of the shield anymore, since you're now rewarded the same whether you hit or miss. I think adding the doubling effect to the shield if you hit it was possibly one of my favorite changes Riot has ever come up with, and while it isn't great for consistency, it feels really good to land both parts. I'm gonna be kind of sad to see it gone :\ .

creatureplex1 votes

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Don't forget Athenes. It's an amazing item for me. That being said, the current meta is heavily skewed towards damage. It's a lot more effective to build damage and one shot someone than it is to rely on someone else and hope they survive long enough to kill someone else. As they say, death is the best CC. If damage ever starts returning to normal levels, I believe traditional builds will start to be more prevalent again.

My shield actually happens to be one of the strongest in the game atm. Also I'd like to point out that kills don't belong to anyone, and all that matters is the enemy is defeated. Besting an enemy champion in battle is just a means to push a lane. It doesn't matter who ends up getting the takedown gold or CS if you're actively putting your enemy in a position where they're forced to either recall or die and pushing your lane.

That's why riot needs to nerf the overall damage that everyone is doing right now, because now it's like no matter how bad an assassin or mage is doing, with just one item they still can be just as effective as a fed marksman given assassins and mages are supposed to beat marksman, I shouldn't ulted by an 0-4 Brand with 1 finish item, even though I'm 6-0 twitch with 2 items and lose because of one ult.......that part is retarded.

creatureplex1 votes

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That's why riot needs to nerf the overall damage that everyone is doing right now, because now it's like no matter how bad an assassin or mage is doing, with just one item they still can be just as effective as a fed marksman given assassins and mages are supposed to beat marksman, I shouldn't ulted by an 0-4 Brand with 1 finish item, even though I'm 6-0 twitch with 2 items and lose because of one ult.......that part is retarded.

I'm all for getting 0-100 by a mage or an assassins if we're equally fed, that's their job, but if they suck and aren't doing so well one ult shouldn't kill me.

Nut on my Butt1 votes

Do you also hate Zyra Brand Velkoz ?

creatureplex1 votes

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Do you also hate Zyra Brand Velkoz ?

Brand and Vel'Koz I hate even more because for the last fucking time they are mages, they do not belong in the damn bot lane, the only reason people are playing them there is because of what I like to call the counter triangle, Marksman beat tanks and fighters, while get beat by mages and assassins, mages beat tanks and marksman, but get beat by assassins and fighters, fighters beat assassins and mages, but get beat by tanks and marksman, tanks beat assassins and fighters, but get beat by mages and marksman. Their are exceptions of course, but generally that's how it works, so of course you run a Brand bot lane, he's going to do very well against a fucking marksman, because he's a mage, that's all he is, he has 1 stun that's it, no other cc fucking ability. Just played a game as Twitch dominated the lane, but Brand being a fucking mage ulted me and I die, of course I had no tank and nobody on my fucking team took him out of the equation but still it sucked!

Suzumiya Haruhi1 votes

Dude u have 0 idea about lux and supports LOL [sg-jinx]

creatureplex1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Suzumiya Haruhi,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0QT5VNjj,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-04-09T10:35:05.639+0000)

Dude u have 0 idea about lux and supports LOL [sg-jinx]

I'm an adc main, I can work with just about any support regardless of my adc choice, but I like to have a point in the game, if Lux doesn't build a gold item goes full ap, doesn't get a single supportive item it sucks and hurts my chances on carrying a team, whereas Mikael's or some type of support item could of saved my life.

creatureplex1 votes

The problem isn't the fact of Lux going ap, it's the fact that she's so bent on getting kills that she'll chases after someone instead of worrying about protecting me, now given there are circumstances, but here's one, I see an opportunity to kill Miss Fortune as Twitch, I stealth she doesn't back up, I drop w, lux is a bit low on health right now, she retreats Brand goes after her and leaves Miss Fortune to die by my hands, now honestly I'm fed at this point their is nothing this Miss Fortune can do to kill me, she's only level 5 right now, and instead Lux retreats back to her tower then ults and steals the kill from me, and I have to blow my flash before Brand can kill me, so I get only assist gold even though I did all the work to kill her.....that's what I run into a lot, what if lux would of blew her ult earlier did some damage instead of waiting till the very end to use it???????? Same with Brand, Annie, Vel'Koz and so many other mages in the game, I see 2 things they do, go massive damage, and start not giving a fuck about trying to protect their adc, they're out for blood which isn't what a support is supposed to do even if you are a mage/support like Lux, Morgana, Syndra, Lulu, and so forth your first priority is too keep your adc safe, don't ks if you don't have to, hold back on that last auto......like when I play Thresh, I pull in, i hit my fray and i let my adc get the kill I let them take the towers, I let them go for objectives, I zone off enemies, but I stay back with my adc, so that if a jungler comes in I can protect them. Lux could snare a jungler she can cast a shield she can even ult them right at the start to peel for me. But no what I usually see she drops her snare, e then if she hits them she ults. I guess I like supports that are more focus on giving me kills instead of taking them. When I play support I'm not looking to kill someone I'm looking to save my teammates lives and to secure them the kills....But my first priority even as Morgana is to protect my adc.

creatureplex1 votes

Like here's an instance I pulled into Ezreal with full health almost killed him, but I see my adc almost die to Lee Sin so I flash back fray Lee Sin cast my w on my adc, and save their life, Ezreal got away, but my adc lived, and I died......I think overall I made the right decision......Because my first priority when I'm playing support is too protect my adc at all costs even if that means I have to die to save them, that's what I'm going to do.....I'll secure them kills if I can, even if I have to take a couple more auto's or even die to give them a kill, I will always try to feed my adc, and I always go into a fight with hoping to get my adc a kill, I'm not trying to kill them I'm trying to feed my adc.

creatureplex1 votes

I can't tell you how many times I've lost a game because of an apc playing bot lane with me, it's not fun, when any supportive item could of been the difference between me living and dying. I honestly didn't even see her use her shield till mid game, it's like kind of sad, her shield is very strong when used correctly and like ashe's volley, at first long cd you points into it it's becomes less of a cooldown problem.

creatureplex1 votes

It's not so much about what she builds, it's more about the fact that's she's not building for the game, she's building to be an apc regardless of what the team needs, or how I'm doing, I'm fed, I'm going to want to take a bit more risks to push my team to victory, i don't need an apc at bot lane, I need someone that's going to support me and help me win the game.

VvVVvV1 votes

The only time I dont like Lux supports is when they are on my team.

I love Lux supports when they are on the enemy team.

Why?

Because in my experience they never buy a sightstone (or now the items that turn into sightstones). Its just full AP out the gate. I've literally had games where I had to buy it myself even if I was was mid or top.

Its just sad when the support finishes the game with the lowest vision score on the team.

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