Why can't we accept that mages are different and just make two different AP jungle items

SirHeavyScrotum··23 votes·643 views

This last season and this preseason have seen three iterations of the AP jungle item, first Magus, then Runeglaive, now the new one: Runic Echoes. For those that haven't heard about it, it's basically a jungle Luden's Echo. Here is the surrenderat20 page for it.

The thing about trying to find a jungle item that every AP jungler, or potential AP jungler, can use equally is that there is no one item type that every AP champion likes to get. Some will benefit from a Sheen item such as runeglaive (Diana, Elise, AP Ekko, Twisted Fate), where others will benefit from a Luden's Echo sort of item (Nidalee, Galio, Morgana), while still others benefit more from an item like Magus (Karthus, Fiddlesticks, Rumble).

Small tangent: And after-all, why do AD people get Devourer and Warrior, whichever suits their champion better? I personally think tanks should have 2 different options as well, one that gives bonus resistances and a mini-thornmail effect that works on monsters and Cinderhulk for the different types of tanks there are. Though that could easily be abused by certain junglers. This is all beside the point though.

So, before we go nixing runeglaive in favor of Runic Echoes, why don't we consider giving ap junglers two options for jungle items to fulfill the needs of different types of AP junglers?

Thanks :)

11 Comments

MunchCrunchLunch2 votes

idk why people buy the runeglaive to begin with. there are items way better and more efficient.

FioraWillCarry1 votes

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idk why people buy the runeglaive to begin with. there are items way better and more efficient.

Jungling Akali is only possible with Runeglaive. Yea, I know she's not meant to be played jungle but screw it, I like to do my own thing.

CasterGilgamesh1 votes

but couldn't she just use warriors? she does have duo scaling even if you don't plan to go hybrid the bonus ad might still be useful

FioraWillCarry1 votes

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but couldn't she just use warriors? she does have duo scaling even if you don't plan to go hybrid the bonus ad might still be useful

It might work but I doubt it would be as good as Runeglaive. Runglaive has AP which all of Akali's abilities scale on. Only her auto-attacks and her E scales on AD. Akali is a caster. She doesn't use auto-attacks except to proc her Q. In other words, AD would not benefit her as much as one might think.

Also, Runeglaive has Spellblade which is perfect for her. Lich bane makes Akali a monster and Runeglaive is only a slightly weaker version of Lich Bane. Everything about Runeglaive feels like it was made for her. I'd be sorry to see it go. :(

CasterGilgamesh2 votes

well i guess that's understandable.

SirHeavyScrotum1 votes

I honestly think Runeglaive is the best jungle item in the game right now, it's pretty cost efficient, and gives you a ton of mana sustain in the jungle and helps your clear along with the AoE. A lot of Runeglaive junglers were the best junglers at the end of s5, I think the strength of the item has a lot to do with that.

z14GaKI7TO2 votes

Yeah uh.... Save Runeglaive...

TeCoolMage1 votes

The problem is that warrior is considered full AD while Devourer can be slapped onto Diana, TF, Teemo and several other AP champs (Especially TF, who doesn't have mana problems and might as well just get lich bane/Nashor's with devourer

SirHeavyScrotum2 votes

I was aware that some non-ad champions can use the item, but it's best on auto attackers and those are generally speaking ad champions. But, that's not really relevant to the main point of the argument.

TeCoolMage1 votes

I actually consider AS and tank as separate from AD and AP, and Marksmen like Kog'Maw who have attack speed but both AP and AD scaling tend to be On-Hit or AS carries rather than full on AD.

I'm sure Riot thinks the same but acknowledges that predominantly, these champs are AD, and most attack speed items have AD components.

The problem with jungle items is that Riot seems to separate AP, AD, AS and tank completely even if champions usually overlap, even champions like Malzahar use Rylai's, Liandries and RoA (which is why I like going Cinderhulk on him).

I personally prefer Runic Echoes as a concept but the numbers and the way parts of it work at PBE may cause problems, in comparison to Runeglaive which has been rebalanced, changed around, etc.

SirHeavyScrotum1 votes

That may be true, but it still has nothing to do with the fact that mages are different and some need a Lich Bane jungle item to rush and some need a Luden's Echo jungle item, and some need something else still. Thanks for your input though =)

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