@Riot We've all been asking for pink ward trinkets for a long time. What gives?

SirHeavyScrotum··30 votes·1,194 views

Ever since vision was changed at the beginning of the season and trinkets could no longer be upgraded (which I'm still sad about) we've been asking for a pink ward dropper from our trinket spot. The argument is simple. Someone on the team needs to carry a pink ward, but need your item slots for combat items. Why are y'all so reluctant to make this one small change? It's kinda unfun as a support to only be able to build five items, and I don't see any reason why we shouldn't be able to upgrade the vision totem to a pink ward totem.

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SSShutTheDuckUp2 votes

They said that there will be changes in how stealth works in preseason. so I would not bet on bringing back pink trinkets. Right now it sucks, but maybe they would fix that with the new stealth

LankPants2 votes

The argument is simple. Someone on the team needs to carry a pink ward, but need your item slots for combat items. Why are y'all so reluctant to make this one small change? It's kinda unfun as a support to only be able to build five items, and I don't see any reason why we shouldn't be able to upgrade the vision totem to a pink ward totem.

There's a good reason why not to as well. Pink totems destroy short term stealth champs, especially Akali and Wukong way too hard. By buying pinkwards you remove an ability from these champions. With a pinkward totem there's no cost to this.

Jet Sett8 votes

It also creates a problem where champs with powerful stealth go unimpeded in the way they do their job. Which is why Riot is rebalancing stealth in the assassin update: it's either pathetically weak or insanely strong.

Zerenza1 votes

Something of note about a lot of Stealth Champions is they often fall off late game or (only in akali's case) have very easy to predict stealth.

Rengar, Kha'zix and Evelynn for example along with Shaco are more Early-Midgame reliant and if they don't get fed will eventually fall behind by time everyone else get's their final builds so the whole pink ward thing doesn't matter as much.

For Akali and Twitch who scale well into late game, in akali's case if she becomes stealthed you know where she is at, it's in that tiny circle and for Twitch, he's squishy and if he reveals himself in a lot of situations, he's done for.

But i feel like that's a poor way to balance stealth because it makes those champions weaker just for the sake of having counterplay when you could simply overhaul stealth and not have them be so weak or outdated instead.

LankPants1 votes

It also creates a problem where champs with powerful stealth go unimpeded in the way they do their job.

I'd define powerful stealth as the more longterm styles, like Eve, Rengar and Twitch have access to. I don't think these champs are particularly made weaker by the lack of a pinkward trinket to deal with them. These champs are more sensitive to the number of pinks on the map than how readily replaceable they are. A pink in a choke will pretty much shut out their ability to use their stealth effectively at all, you don't need to be able to grab and move it every 90 seconds.

Conversely weaker stealth abilities like Akali's and Wukong's get absolutely screwed when the ability to easily replace pinks exists. If you upgrade to pink trinkets you'd flat out remove an ability from their kits. That's the equivalent of making a trinket which blocks a skillshot on a 2 minute CD or something along those lines and it's really not OK. It's bad enough that you can buy pinkwards and remove a large section of a champs kit for 75 gold, the last thing Riot should do is make that free.

As for rebalancing stealth I wouldn't be surprised if the solution to stealth is removing its counters. As long as pinkwards revival stealthed champs stealth will be pretty terrible. The best solution is probably just to allow stealth champions their stealth regardless of the situation, name Eve's passive something else because it kind of is anyway and balance around stealth not being pathetic.

You wouldn't even need to do that much balance anyway, Rengar's already getting reworked, Eve wouldn't be affected and past that the majority of stealth champs are bellow average to complete gutter-trash. The only champs I'd see being problematic if you couldn't break their stealth would be Kha'zix and Vayne TBH.

If pinkwards just didn't reveal stealth then I'd be absolutely fine with a pinktrinket. It really wouldn't matter anyway, it would be worse in almost every situation imaginable than a redtrinket anyway.

RISE Shlack1231 votes

Then they could implement a pink ward totem that costs gold to recharge at the fountain. Boom, done.

General Esdeath 1 votes

At least give us old sweeper back. Wow I can see where the Akali is! Too bad I can't fucking attack her.

My Waifu Vanilla1 votes

Both of the current sweepers allow you to do this in game.

General Esdeath 1 votes

No, you can't. You can see her outline, you can't click to auto. Old sweeper worked like a pink.

SirHeavyScrotum1 votes

The biggest problem is that supports are often foregoing a 6th item to have them. They will be in the game regardless, but one person in the game gets to do less cool stuff just because someone can be invisible.

LankPants1 votes

Here's a question for you, if you ignore invisible champs would anyone ever take a pink ward trinket over the current red trinket? If the answer is no, which I'm 90% sure it is then the only thing adding a pink ward trinket would do is fuck over stealthed champions.

The problem with a pink ward trinket is that you're effectively trading your trinket slot for an item slot. In pretty much every case for a support champion the sweeper is more valuable than any item you could put into that slot and it's free.

My Waifu Vanilla1 votes

There is a reason why these champions are absolute trash tier on Twisted Treeline since everyone has a "f*ck you" button for your 1 option of survival. I love playing Akali and I enjoy playing Twisted Treeline....but it is absolutely impossible to play her on that map (despite theoretically being good since people run stuff like Jhin or other immobile carries) and I definitely don't want it to transition over to Summoner's Rift.

Blue Moon Wolf2 votes

There is some good news. Riot mentioned that for they are making changes to vision and the "support ecosystem" (whatever they mean by that). If it the changes don't happen after worlds when they do their preseason gameplay changes, then it will likely happen during season 7.

http://www.surrenderat20.net/2016/08/red-post-collection-september-sales.html#more

"Quote: What system do you think is in dire need of an update?

"Pregame stands out as in a bad state Items and Vision would love to fix up long term."

"Quote: Any directions known for Preseason besides Assasin pass? Things like Runes & Mastery changes.

"Likely some small mastery changes, and some complexity reduction in the map. A few changes for support ecosystem."

"Quote: Doesnt pregame just end up with 1 OP choice or several boring choices. Also whats wrong with vision? Still too much too often?

"Main problem with vision is the system is too binary. Would like more states between invisible and full vision."

"Quote: Support echosystem changes? In what way?

"Reduce Locket domination, maybe make other options strong if needed. Very hard to know impact of changes before out."

I don't know what exactly they are planning, but it does sound like both vision and support are in their crosshairs. Whether Vision in regards to supports is still up in the air, but it sounds like they might be trying to make vision more available to everyone and not just supports.

Akali is SO HOT2 votes

Because if you want to nullify a whole ability you should give something up. There was no thinking behind getting a pink ward trinket because all you had to do was say "Oh wow the enemy team has a stealth champ just let me get a pink ward totem for free." Now you actually have to make a decision behind countering a whole ability and you are making a sacrifice by nullifying a champions stealth mechanic. Being able to counter something for free is not good design.

Kitty Clarissa1 votes

i mean green wards removed made top lane harder to provide vision , even mid has to get a pink and place it somewhere . if they dont have pinks and enemy is denying vision good luck to them

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