like very huge deal, on top of not having an escape at that. the -25% crit dmg reduction needs to be removed. like his attacks NEED to have huge punches or anyone with attack speed will just dumpster him in a carry role.
this is the only buff he needs.
TonsOfGains2 votesUh... Graves also gains zero attack speed. And he's one of the top ADC's in the game right now.
Frikgeek1 votesKinda, but not really. He's played as a ranged bruiser in the jungle and toplane, people will mix offensive and defensive items and mostly do damage through his burst rather than consistent DPS like other ADCs.
TonsOfGains1 votesNot sure what your argument is. Didn't say anything about him not doing burst damage. In fact, I implied that he only does burst due to lack of AS.
Frikgeek1 votesThe argument is that he's not an adc and almost never played botlane. He doesn't build like an adc or play like one.
TonsOfGains1 votesJhin doesn't play like your typical ADC either. Not to mention the reason why Graves isn't played ADC is not independent of him being played as jungler or top lane. He's one champ, shared by 3 niches, 2 of which he performs better than as an ADC so of course he won't be played as ADC 90% of the time. That doesn't take away from the fact that he can be played ADC.
Salron2 votesDid you forget the bonus MS he gets with every crit? Not to mention that his laning phase would be ridiculous if he had access to a full damage crit every 4 autos in lane that he can use to zone for up to 10s since that's how long he take to reload when he's sitting on his last shot
The crit damage reduction is there for a reason
Guyy Fieri1 votesJhin is much more of a mid laner anyway.
Incognonymous1 votesNo fucking way. Jhin is MORE than compensated for his lack of AS. Probably overcompensated, actually. You just watch. The retard-level AD builds are already working their way into existence. If there were ever a reason to introduce a minimum hits required for taking towers and Nexus, it will be because of this piece of shit getting 1000 AD.
lolipopevelynn1 votesNo fucking way. Jhin is MORE than compensated for his lack of AS. Probably overcompensated, actually. You just watch. The retard-level AD builds are already working their way into existence. If there were ever a reason to introduce a minimum hits required for taking towers and Nexus, it will be because of this piece of shit getting 1000 AD.
no one is going to stand there and let a ADC with 0.8 attacks per second hit you 4 times. if you do then you are literally a vegetable. think of how many times a AS built vayne will hit you in the same amount of time it takes a jhin to hit you 4 times.
Incognonymous1 votesno one is going to stand there and let a ADC with 0.8 attacks per second hit you 4 times. if you do then you are literally a vegetable. think of how many times a AS built vayne will hit you in the same amount of time it takes a jhin to hit you 4 times.
"Let" him hit you? Is that a joke? It's the equivalent of having a point and click nuke hitting you once a second. You can't just "not" get hit by auto attacks. Well, not for some time at least.
Only an ADC main would make such bold claims about how their favorite champ is weak when the opposite is clearly true. Go defend your waifu elsewhere, troll. Jhin is broken and the shitstorm is brewing.
Frikgeek1 votesIt's called "positioning", that's how you avoid getting hit by autos for free. Unless you're a tank, then go flash CC his ass because 550 units from the tank is most like mispositioned(unless the teamfight has already started).
Really, Jhin isn't even good! His plat+ winrate is like 40%, complete trash-tier. His damage might look OP because his autos hurt hard but a Tristana or a Vayne will auto you 4 times while he autos you once, doing much more damage overall and having an easier time staying safe while doing damage. Jhin can only auto 4 times before he has to reload for 2.5 seconds, effectively doing 0 damage.
Jorencice1 votes4 times? I was playing with a jhin yesterday he ONE SHOT a 6 item build vayne.
ModWulf Helhammer1 voteslike his attacks NEED to have huge punches
Do you know how Jhin works?
Loco Mot1ves1 votesHe has a really strong combo, but his AS is locked. It takes a bloody long time to scale into the late game with a full build for him to get that much AD, and it doesn't help him not die. His tower pushing is mediocre at best and other ADC's with AS are better suited for that role. He is ideal for mid lane or the odd top pick.
Overall though, he doesn't need any buffs or nerfs at this stage as far as I am concerned.
ItsCalledALance1 votes
whats attack speed?